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There is no such thing as Federal gun "Registration"

posted 8 years ago by Bdave101
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because of false script writing from Hollyweird, 70% of the US population believes that there is a Federal Data base and all guns everywhere are "Registered" to a specific owner. And all you have to do it look up the serial number.

That is 100% false. There are laws safeguarding gun owners AGAINST the feds keeping a list on who owns what gun. Besides, private sales of guns in state face to face require NO bill of sale or any record of any sort. This is all part of our Second Amendment rights.

There ARE a few states that have blatantly unconstitutional laws about hand gun registration. ONLY law abiding citizens abide by these laws and zero criminals abide by those Draconian laws. NY, HI, and Washington DC have hand gun registration. Kalifornia will soon have "scary looking rifle" registration, but no hand gun registration.

So, when a gun is recovered at a crime scene usually the MOST that a serial number will tell is if a gun has been reported stolen by the owner. It is a Hollyweird TROPE to instantly track down who the gun is "registered" to. I repeat, there is NO SUCH thing as Federal gun registration.

Even if you have a carry permit, no guns that you own or do not own are on file. In most states you dont even have to OWN a gun to obtain a permit to carry. Like here in Florida.

We LEGAL gun owners all go through a national background check for ANY gun we buy that is not a private face to face sale. Those types of sales are pretty rare. 90-95% of the time guns are purchased through a dealer. Even guns bought from a dealer at a GUN SHOW...we must go through the exact same background check.

We get a little upset when the media and Hollyweird distorts and manipulates how things really are. I would bet tha close to 100% of NON gun owners have not even a tiny clue as to how gun purchases really work. And what the various gun laws are from State to state. They should all be 100% the same under the US constitution. Unfortunately the laws vary greatly from state to state.

[–] DavidCrow 8 years ago

So, when a gun is recovered at a crime scene usually the MOST that a serial number will tell is if a gun has been reported stolen by the owner. It is a Hollyweird TROPE to instantly track down who the gun is "registered" to. I repeat, there is NO SUCH thing as Federal gun registration.

What about the ATF National Tracing Center? Don't they track the movement of a firearms recovered by law enforcement officials from its first sale by the manufacturer or importer through the distribution chain (wholesaler/retailer) to the first retail purchaser (i.e., you)?

[–] purple_dave 8 years ago

I read an article about the federal agency that runs traces on guns, which may be what you're referring to. Everything is handled on paper because laws prevent them from setting up a computer database that could spit out the answer in mere seconds. Records on first-time gun sales are stored at the original point of purchase, and the manufacturer can probably point them to where the gun was shipped for retail sale. When gun stores go out of business, all of their records get transferred to the same federal agency that's forbidden from setting up computer databases, so they have an ever-growing pile of paper documents to sift through. The guy who runs this facility had to start thinking more like a computer in order to figure out how to make this process run efficiently _in_spite_of_ a total lack of computer databases being involved in the process.

They do run traces on guns for police departments all over the US. They do manage to track guns back to the original owner. Their findings do result in people being charged with crimes, and can lead directly to convictions. But they don't have any way to trace rifling patterns on bullets, firing pin marks on casings, or anything else like that (that sort of thing is up to the local forensics lab, once they believe they have possession of the gun used in a crime, and a bullet or casing that they believe came from that gun). Make, model, serial number, buyer. That's all they work with. And once they get to the original buyer, they drop it back in local law enforcement's lap to find out if the original buyer sold it to his neighbor, had it stolen, or still owns it.

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