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Ugh; these people are too "perfect"


They all look and act like models, as with so many other primetime dramas these days. What's wrong with regular, normally-acting characters? Ryan Philippe and his family were a lot more believable. These people all talk with their mouths nearly closed, and have perfectly-coifed hair. Well, Terry O'Quinn's excellent, as usual.

Not sure I'll stick with this one. Last year was SO much better/more believable, IMO.

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They're supposed to be rich lawyers.

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So what? They're still normal people. (I know, that's debatable, ha ha.)

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So are those actors, wtf? Just because they're Good looking actors doesn't mean they aren't normal people.

There are a lot of wealthy people who look amazing.

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"How do you think I got so rich?"



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I guess in the first season they wanted to start out as neighbourly and harmless as possible to become the opposite, so "normal" faces just emphasized that.
This season, they try to pull the american psycho: a slick shiny surface without any scratch at an almost superhuman level will give way to all kinds of dark secrets and human failures. They are supposed to look like they cannot make mistakes and they have to have an aura of being dug into their armour to the degree of not being able to communicate. So they went for people looking like that.

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All right, that makes some sense. Tho, I'm finding that description a lot more acceptable in Terry O'Quinn's case than the younger folks; they just seem plastic in the way they speak to each other, not just the way they look. I'll continue to watch for more "normalcy" in them.

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Now that they even pull the "good businessman" trope and making them into guys who make businesses running instead of gutting them like it is done in reality, I have to say: you were totally correct. Too perfect. All of them. God, I am so close to throwing up just from looking at those saints...

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There are plenty of good looking people in the world. Good looking people with white collar jobs and good looking people with blue collar jobs.

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More than their looks/clothes it's the way they talk that annoys me. Just not real, too staged as if someone's taping them. But as I said, I'll try to be open-minded and hope they get a little more unhinged as time goes on. ;o)

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I agree. The first episode seemed better and the characters would have some depth to them, but everything feels generic, by-the-numbers. The lead isn't showing very much variation in emotion at all, and I don't mean Juliette Lewis! They are even copying the Season 1 Ben-Dave BFF dynamic with Eric and his buddy, with some tweaking and much lesser results.

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Aw, I'm disappointed to hear this. I haven't watched since partway thru the 1st episode (have it all recorded since then), and I was hoping it would quickly improve. I got so hooked on it last season! Well I guess I'll just watch it for Juliette.

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Juliette is so good in this, she is doing such a flip of what has become the smart, sassy, sexy, smiley female cop.

Cornell is smart, not sassy or smiley, and sexy is up to the beholder.

One of the points of the season is that these people are wealthy, so they can afford beauty treatments and anything to make them look good, but are imperfect as anyone on the inside.

Gee Woodle, Space Kadoodle!

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I so agree. Hope Lewis is nominated for an acting award this year, she really deserves it. And this is from someone who used to find her very irritating. She's a whole new, cerebral type of cop.

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I hope Juliette will get nominated too, and I too used to not like her! She has proven herself as an actress, that's for sure.

Cornell wears the same type of outfit every day to work, suits and a blouse buttoned up. Unlike the low cut tops of other TV cops.

When that guy rudely said "Are you always at work? Do you have any life outside of the job?" Cornell simply says, yes.

Gee Woodle, Space Kadoodle!

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YES! Such a better, more realistic example of what detectives in our country are really like. She doesn't wear heels to run around on (so ridiculous), she wears the black hiking boot/sneaker hybrid that's most sensible for someone on the move to wear. LOVE THIS.

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I am afraid the mediocre writing is in the way for any kind of recognition. We know her character has some deepth and yet the writing does not utilize it at all, aside from some lines thrown in to connect her character to the first season. Instead the screenplay locks her on the sour looking *beep* which might be an interesting take, but did not get developed any further since the end of last season.

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Money & top-tier professionalism usually comes off as 'perfect' or orderly. I can't say I noticed it to be odd, but when you dig deeper the greater image erodes.

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Funny, I've seen numerous similar shows where the cast was dang near perfect and didn't see this kind of critique. Would this perhaps be because this series is centered around a black family that they can't be perfect? I wonder...

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Ha! That's pretty obscure. Nope, not a bit. The white people annoy me just as much as the black do.

Here's another thing that bugs me. So many of them seem to have gone to the "Talk With Your Lips as Closed as Possible" School. Like talking as if you're a model, nearly pursing your lips. A little of this goes a long way and they're just overdoing it.

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True... and then the dialogues. Stiff and silly, nothing between lines. This show could be acted by muppets and would not lose anything...

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I sure miss the prior season. It was addictive and boy were there some good actors.

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perfect? they may look put together but they are the worst bunch of con artists I have ever seen.
how in the world does this company even succeed with all that crap going on?

I am not interested in ONE person, not even the dead woman, for sure not her!

Last season I really wanted Ryan Phillipe to be innocent. I didn't think for one second it was the little girl who did it. but I guess he knew.

If they want this show to survive, they better pick a better scenario next year.

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I just finished watching Episode Four of Season 2, I definitely enjoyed the first season, although I think it would have helped if the daughter was slightly* more petulant.

Kate - do not care about her at all (she shifts between Mary Sue and classy elegant lawyer with a somewhat self-centered idealization like I'd expect from lawyers).

Gary Sue, I'm sorry, Eric. If these people were raised by an alcoholic mother with an absent father, they REALLY shouldn't be this functional or emotionally adept. There should be some dysfunction and/or anxiety with dealing with high stress situations. I just don't see how they're lawyers if there was a terror in the house - it just doesn't compute. Did she keep to herself? No, they stated she bothered them OFTEN.

Amanda, the sister, she's polished, intelligent, arrogant, cold in demeanor except to her family, and HARDLY comes across as a public defender. This woman works for MONEY! Please.

The characters overall just don't appeal to me. I generally dislike lawyers unless they're civil rights lawyers. Corporate lawyers, criminal defense attorneys, anything but public 'advocates' are generally too fiscally motivated, driven by team dynamics and strategies to topple the hurdles in the system, bathing in competitive and associate peer narcissism, and are literally focused on removing emotion from the victims and/or other party. Emotions which often times they personally* (aside from legally) determine are irrelevant due to the self-categorized box *they've put said emotions in. That's just obnoxious and sociopathic to me.

I can't speak for every lawyer, but the lawyers in Secrets and Lies come across as obviously high profit margin types. I highly doubt they're not out there charging $300 per hour - given their attitudes towards spending, lackadaisical and carefree personas, their frivolous nature both at home and in the office. They're snappy suit persons, not tireless public workers up to their necks in paperwork, court summons, and case briefs. So about 2 hours worth of 4 episodes comes across as high moral ground and preaching but it is highly unlikely they're that philanthropic as they'd like for the audience to believe. I suppose they want their characters to come across as remotely likable thus their 'wholesome' pride. But I should expect Amanda, most especially, to be cut-throat - defending a rapist or murderer. Public defenders do not get to choose their clients. But like I said, I don't see a personality match here, she'd want the $$$$.

Oddly enough, while I have to fast-forward through husband/wife lovey-dovey scenes (that seem toooo fake to stomach), I am still enjoying the show. There is just enough of the factors/style and progression from season 1. I also would like to see more of the detective, she's kind of lacking - though things look good for episode 5.

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This family is f---- up! They have to be pretty people to make it entertaining. Who'd enjoy watching ugly f---- up people.

As far as Ryan Phillippe's series, I couldn't watch the whole first episode because it wasn't an improvement over Martin Henderson's series.





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