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I'm really starting to hate Black Widow.

posted 3 years ago by TheReccher (344)
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And it's really because the amount of plot armor around her has slowly been broaching Batman territory since IM2. Realistically she should have died fighting the Chitauri attack in A1, but not only does she survive a slew of ships ripping the city apart, she manages to wrestle these giant aliens with little to no effort. And all we see is a scratch of blood. Not to mention the ridiculous feats of surviving a slap from the Hulk. And climbing the ship without getting her arm torn off, and surviving that huge fall that should have crippled her without so much as a scratch.

Like I get it, she's a badass. But at what point is the MCU going to acknowledge that she's still a 120 lbs woman with no powers. She has never struggled, she never failed. Cause she's a wuhmaaan. And all women are perfect powerful badasses who can manhandle 600 lbs monsters with nothing but her legs.

/*FART

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

ITS A COMIC BOOK FILM....WHY ARENT YOU SCREAMING THAT MEN ARENT GREEN OR PEOPLE CAN'T FLY?

[–] fc31 (5503) 3 years ago

It is this movie ruined it. Before this movie we could assume she was on some kind of super soldier serum. But in this movie she was beaten by other widows, that means she was just an ordinary human, hence all the invulnerability was just plot armors.

[–] msegmx (444) 3 years ago

Before this, she was unique, Black Widow was Nat, there was no other. She got a pass because of that. This movie ruined it, there are now hundreds of BWs, all the same.

This movie should have been about Nat and Hawkeye doing stuff in Budapest.

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

LMAO...THAT FLICK SOUNDS AWFUL...HARD PASS ON HAWK AND WIDOW IN BUDAPEST.

[–] msegmx (444) 3 years ago

Oh come on, Nat doing spy stuff and Clint hunting (and sparing) her would've made a good thriller. They announced it practically 9 years ago.

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

SOUNDS LIKE WINTER SOLDIER...AN MCU CLICK FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE MCU FLICKS.

[–] msegmx (444) 3 years ago

There are MCU fans who don't like Winter Soldier? I for one would welcome another entry a la WS.

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

ITS A GOOD FLICK...BUT IT'S THE ONE THAT NON MCU PEOPLE ALWAYS CITE AS THE GOOD ONE...MY DAD IS A 70 YEAR OLD HIPPIE..HE HATES THE MCU...BUT HE WATCH WINTERSOLDIER ON TV ONE NIGHT AND LOVED IT.

[–] naDaht (1087) 3 years ago

That's the movie I wanted. And I wanted it right before the first Avengers movie.

It's not that I in any way hated Black Widow. It's was just so bland it was "meh". But it's not a bad film, I just didn't enjoy it.

The comic version of Nat has the Soviet version of the Super Soldier Serum. I've always assumed the same went for MCU Nat. Like it was part of Red Room.

[–] SageMaster33 (877) 3 years ago

"it's a comic book film" doesn't mean it should be a senseless movie...

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

A WOMAN PARTICIPATING IN THE ACTION IS SENSELESS BUT GREEN MUSCLE MEN AND FLYING PEOPLE ARENT?🤔

[–] SageMaster33 (877) 3 years ago

you are strawmanning

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

YEAH...I HAVE HEARD THAT TERM BUT CARE LESS WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS...IN THIS UNIVERSE BLACK WIDOW IS A SUPER SPY WHICH GIVES HER TOM CRUISE POWERS...JUST AS ACCEPTABLE/BELIEVABLE AS A GREEN RAGE MONSTER AND FLYING FUCKERS.

[–] msegmx (444) 3 years ago

BW does get a pass, she's not much different from John Wick when falling down buildings or getting beaten up.

But your argument doesn't make sense, you're comparing apples and oranges. Marvel introduced the Hulk in TIH, drawing his boundaries, what he's capable of etc. Since there's no Hulk IRL we have to take what is given to us.

Your argument would make sense if BW would suddenly start flying.

[–] SageMaster33 (877) 3 years ago

In "This universe" super spies are not super soldiers and black widow was behaving more like a super soldier...
it's senseless with respect to the MCU not real life.
Black Widow being a super spy is just as believable/acceptable as green rage monsters and flying fuckers but black widow having unexplained super soldier powers is just as senseless as hulk flying like Superman.

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

YOU GUYS ARE ALL NUTS.🙂

[–] TheReccher (344) 3 years ago

Just because the core concept relies on something implausible that doesn't give a pass to the story surrounding it to do whatever the fuck goes. Your movie still has to operate on rules to feel like it's really happening. Hulk punching out buildings is okay because the rules state that anyone with his power can do that. But Black Widow was stated to be a normal human, so her being able to survive thirty foot fall and walk away unscathed let alone alive, is ridiculous.

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

NO...NOT NORMAL HUMAN...SUPER SPY...WHICH IN THIS UNIVERSE MEANS YOU HAVWE TOM CRUISE POWERS.

[–] fc31 (5503) 3 years ago

That is what OP was talking about. Marvel is significantly dropping realism standards, especially in this movie, to the point of 007 and mission impossible level, you do know those movies do not take themselves seriously at all.

But they only do that to black widow, very little of that kind of things with Hawk-eye, who was supposed to be the one hunted down and captured black widow, as stated in the avengers movie.

[–] Kowalski (76265) 3 years ago

THIS WAS SCARLETT'S LAST RIDE...WHY NOT GO ALL IN.

[–] fc31 (5503) 3 years ago

We like Marvel movies, just hate to see them so carelessly undermining the franchise, instead of strengthening it like in the other Marvel movies. And for what? Gender politics? I wish they could just leave the stuff like propaganda and brainwashing to the news where it belongs.

[–] sut6432 (2908) 3 years ago

She has never struggled, she never failed.

But…didn’t she die? 🤔🤣

[–] DoctorThirteen (14202) 3 years ago

Ah, but only because she decided to! Ultimately, the only person who could bring about the death of Black Widow... was Black Widow! 😉

[–] bozo_500 (13151) 3 years ago

look black widow is the coolest most powerful badass avenger of all time and thats it ok

[–] JoWilli (20275) 3 years ago

good point, was never injured or even scraped.