I thought the ending was very weak; I was hoping the new sheriff, Mannix and Marquis would have been killed off instead of Daisy being hanged and her gang being killed off. It would have been cool if the "15 men" would have showed up at Minnie's and killed the two most annoying characters in the film. If that alternative ending of the gang surviving had happened, it would have been great to see them leave Minnie's and head off to Mexico.
shareI was hoping the new sheriff, Mannix and Marquis would have been killed offHa! You really that would happen?! You're stupid!
It would have been cool if the "15 men" would have showed up at Minnie's and killed the two most annoying characters in the film. If that alternative ending of the gang surviving had happened, it would have been great to see them leave Minnie's and head off to Mexico
I just hate it when in certain films of his that the cool bad-ass females get killed off, especially in this one. I didn't like Inglorious Basterds that much, but I was mad when the rebel runaway French Jewish lady who ran the movie theater was killed by a bullet. The Kill Bill films had some of the best unconventional endings.
shareThe question is ... why does he kill off these amazing women
is it a personal fetish and fear of strong women that he must kill of these grand and sassy women, Bridgitte, Shosanna and Daisy
or is he playing to the fears and phobias of his fanboys
or does he think Major Warren suffers more than Daisy from social prejudice
It's pretty obvious Warren and Mannix were as good as dead. None of the Hateful 8 survived. Tarantino will kill off strong male lead characters (basically everyone in RD, Vincent Vega, Ordell Robbie, King Shultz, and all 7 of the male H8) just as quickly as he will kill off females so you don't really have any point to make, as much as you obviously want to make this an anti-female thing.
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but the filming of the male deaths is far more straight forward
seems like all of you out there share Uncle Quentin's fascination with strangling women
OK and he has a 2 part film about one of the most badazz women in cinema history. Then another movie about a group of women that totally kick azz. Maybe try to not look at the world with blinders on.
shareMaybe try to not look at the world with blinders on.
OK and he has a 2 part film about one of the most badazz women in cinema history. Then another movie about a group of women that totally kick azz. Maybe try to not look at the world with blinders on.
Great comment.
shareThank you. This B.S. analysis ripe with innuendo alluding to Tarantino somehow subtly playing a misogynist tone in his films is pure bunk. Tarantino has a flavor for fatalism or nihilism in regards to his characters. They are all doomed by virtue of the environs they construct through their personal ethics. Nowhere is this more clearly shown than in Reservoir Dog and Pulp Fiction. And he kills of male characters in far larger numbers than female characters.
The OP and others chiming in along that line of reasoning are inexplicably attempting to falsly and without good evidence characterize Tarantino as somehow diminutive of strong female characters. Need I remind anyone of KILL BILL (Uma), Dusk til Dawn (Juliette Lewis) as examples of strong female characters who survive Tarantino's usual hyper-violent violent mêlées.
This is not a conventional ending, this is a controversial ending, but not a conventional one. The fact that they hang the JJL character after laughing "with her" about a joke that she wasn't really in on is NOT conventional. Because the conventional ending is "oh she probably learned her lesson, she died in the struggle, I don't know who that woman is" and then she escapes and lives. That's a conventional Hollywood ending because of the Women are wonderful effect.
This is anything BUT that, they say "no, we're going to die, she's not. But she is a murderer, and she has killed in the past, she will probably kill again. John Ruth believed in justice to the point he always brings in a prisoner alive, let's see justice done," and then the Sheriff hangs her with the help of Sam Jackson who NEVER brings in living prisoners, but wanted to see The Hangman's legacy to the end.
So the sheriff declares her to be punished by death via hanging, and then Samuel L Jackson yells "HANG ON, I WANT TO WATCH" and then it's over. Everyone dies. That is NOT a weak OR conventional ending.
What you're describing happens all the god damn time in movies in the last 20 years, where the villains are now the "misunderstood good guys really" and they get to live while the actual good guys are depicted as bad guys and die. To hell with that.
but you clearly believe in a fairly conventional retributive concepts of justice ... that you take the idea of Daisy as a "murderer" on face value
and the idea that the female represents a particular level of wickedness and stands in a symbol of the devil is a highly conventional in cinema and also many art forms in the 19th and 20th and 21st centuries
and unlike the various versions of Carrie (especially the 2013 version) or Regen in the Exorcist the female is not permitted to challenge the status quo of the American norm ... which is restated by black and white men working together ... and from QT's discussions in the press he wants you to read the Hateful Eight as a straight commentary on American intolerance
here the feminine rather than reacting against American intolerance represents it
I also see the total lack of agency that Daisy is left with is highly conventional
so the idea of Tarantino as a brilliant subversionist is totally contradicted by the Hateful Eight
I also note that theorist/academic discussion on the Hateful Eight is far more open to criticising the treatment of Daisy than the general public who think that a murderer should be killed in return.
- so the idea of Daisy as a psychopath may well have an element of projection
I do not read her as any worse than the others Mannix and Warren included
I read your post, I really did. And you know what? You should seek out other people to argue with, because I'm not going to get into a protracted argument with someone who doesn't live in reality. Everything you've written is so far removed from the realm of Earth that I can't imagine you as anything more than a well-constructed troll. If you really believe the things that you're typing, then you make me very concerned for the people around you.
But I feel I'll leave some parting thoughts with you anyway.
Sandra Bullock, Kristen Stewart, Jennifer Lawrence, Saoirse Ronan and Scarlett Johansen all play characters who are the exact opposite of what you describe. And they're not "rare" in movies at all. And then you compare Carrie, a book written in the 1970s and later adapted into a movie by Stephen King, and The Exorcist, a film written in the 1970s to movies from the 2000s and 2010 eras. But they didn't choose a female antagonist for The Exorcist because "WOMEN ARE EVIL," and her gender is used not to establish that women are wicked but because it made it more jarring and shocking for audiences to hear her yell the C word because she's a young sweet girl and it was a time when profanity wasn't as prolific. And Carrie isn't actually considered to be "evil" in her movie, she's a confused and scared teenage girl who is just as scared of her own powers as the people around her, and in the end ends up KILLING HERSELF WITH HER POWERS after her mother attacks her.
The telekinetic rage from Carrie takes place over the course of 10-20 minutes of a 2 hour movie leading up to it where we establish WHY it is that Carrie goes crazy momentarily, BECAUSE EVERYONE INCLUDING HER OWN MOTHER PICKED ON HER. She's not evil, she's not even the antagonist. She's not a heroine, but she's not a wicked character either. People don't hate Carrie and think "GOD DAMN, THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH WOMEN!" they think "It's not hard to see how she lost herself in the moment..." Are you going to say that Stephen King is a misogynist because he wrote a book like Carrie and then a book like IT where the Pennywise character asks a woman (repeatedly) "Don't you want it?" to antagonize her?
It's established that not only is Jody the brother of The Prisoner, but that they had a plan to kill and mutilate the corpse of Mannix. I guess your logic is "well that could be a bluff, so it doesn't justify the reasoning" but the fact of the matter is, four of the eight showed up in a bar and killed everyone present except a complicit accomplice to trick Ruth into an ambush to kill him to free the Prisoner. That's not the actions of good people. She is part of a gang of murderers and thieves. They were planning to kill Mannix and rob the town of Redrock, and she's wanted DEAD OR ALIVE, which is something you want a murderer for. She's not a prim princess who needs to be rescued from the big bag evil men, her character is easily established to be someone who's not good WITHOUT NEEDING TO SHOW HER DOING BAD. Her family and friends fairly easily show what kind of person she is, her killing the Hangman so deftly and expertly and trying to kill the Bounty Hunter and the Sheriff shows her true nature. She's not an oppressed woman. She is a murderer. You can call it self-defense all you want when she shoots the Hangman if you're delusional, but the fact of the matter is, she tries to kill two people WHO ARE UNCONSCIOUS before one of them wakes up and shoots her first.
I hope you're not putting yourself into thousands of dollars of debt going to some gender studies course to spew nonsense like this, because if you are, I've got bad news for you, there's no market for that degree.
Warren is a braggard and a rapist whatever his skin tone - whose castration was perfectly karmic and his vicious nature is revealed in his treatment of both Daisy and Chester ... I don't think that either's suffering should be read as atonement for the evils of slavery
perhaps we just don't share the same vision of wrongdoing ...
Daisy really only acted in self defence as did Mannix when burning down friend and foe in the prison camp who knows if there were not USCT, passing white and native americans amongst the union soldiers killed
Carrie was refilmed in 2013 and the new Carrie looks very like Daisy ... and Carrie not only wrecked the ballroom but the whole town in this version
sorry ... was at an airport departure lounged typed Mannix instead of Warren
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I'm sorry to contraddict you but your idea of the ending would have been weak. There never were 15 men because otherwise they would have been all together 19 (15 + 4) ambushing the stagecoach or waiting for Daisy to reach Red Rock. Why go to such lengths to put up a show only in 4, why split the group?
Because there never was a larger group, and thankfully the sheriff understands this.
Great movie!
Spoons? Where we are going we don't need spoons
Matrix to the future
The best part of the movie was when Daisy gets hung. The little chuckle the two let out made it great. I liked the fact that every single person / character appearing in this film all died. I still didn't like it as much as Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Django, Kill Bill or Death Proof. But it sure was much better then Inglourious Basterds & Jackie Brown.
sharethe ending was great.
Daisy got killed for being an outlaw and the other dudes died.
doesn't get more beautiful than that.