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What did Ruth do to deserve to die?


Ok, he slapped Daisy around a bit. But that could easily have been avoided. Because, let's look at it in technical terms.

She had that bounty on her. And, as Major said, anybody except Ruth would have shot her in the back and brought her in dead. While Ruth, no matter his motives, provided her with an opportunity to stand trial.

So would it really have been too much to ask from her to just keep her mouth shut, as a favor in return? Because if she had done so none of those beatings would have happened. Just shut up, that's all he repeatedly asked her to do.

But no, she just had to keep needling him. And that's why Ruth supposedly deserved to die? He didn't kill anybody himself, did he? Quite the contrary.

But strangely enough nobody talks about him. It's Daisy here Daisy there, but that poor fellow being poisoned in a way that made him puke blood all over place and then being shot through the chest to top it off, no one seems to care.

Even though he could have easily shot her himself when realizing what had happened to him. But instead, simpleton that he was, he just gave her another beating instead of putting a bullet in her head.

Strange. Strange world indeed.

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I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did taking that approach. Those were dangerous, ruthless criminals he was dealing with looking for him to slip up for one little second so they can kill him. Sounds like she was a pretty hardened criminal herself, and a murderer at that. As for me, I do not have any sympathy for her whatsoever, and Ruth did not do anything to deserve to die.

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Ruth was a bit of a cartoonish figure. The proposition of bringing in hardened outlaws, potentially ready to rather get shot than hanged, always alive wasn't really a realistic one. The other extreme, to always bring them in dead, probably neither.

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While Ruth, no matter his motives, provided her with an opportunity to stand trial.

Would there even be a trial? I thought he was just bringing her in to be hanged.

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Oswaldo suggested as much when talking about frontier justice. And he should have been in the know, shouldn't he.

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Oswaldo suggested as much when talking about frontier justice. And he should have been in the know, shouldn't he.


Ok, Should Oswaldo have really known because he was a hangman? Or should Oswaldo have really known because he was a member of the gang that killed the REAL hangman?

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i think he's a prick, just like everybody else inside that room. but obvious that even if human being being a prick, there were some power relationships there... like evertime they doubt the black guy about the president letter and all the prejudice stuff and finally a woman, who is treated like sh*it all the *beep* time, like women are, sometimes figuratively and sometimes not.
it was all a metaphor about society. everyone there was representing figures of society. i think ruth was a mercenary, just like the others.

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Profound insight coming from a fresh account. Thanks so much for sharing!

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Well he did say he didn't want anyone to share his $10,000,
"that money is mine boys" ... so he is quite mercenary that's clear

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I wanted to see him die

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Agreed


I can't pretend that I did not want to see him die for treating Daisy so badly and his final act of vomiting in her face is extremely aggressive and also a sign of "possession" of the woman as property

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Bad luck

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The way it played out made sense. The character's sadism and violent misogyny came back around to bite him. Punching Daisy didn't help matters, and its probably what got him shot to death in the end, but his love of taking in bounties alive so he could watch them hang is what did him in is my guess. If he didn't have that reputation, and had he killed Daisy on the spot, he probably would've avoided his fate in the movie. Jody's gang might've tracked him down for revenge eventually, but who knows how that would play out.

It's weird because aside from his racism, misogyny and sadism, he was one of the the most level headed characters in the movie. Like Warren, he knew it was smart to be cautious (and in his case, paranoid) in that cabin. Pouring out the coffee, interrogating everyone, taking the guns, etc were all smart in theory, but he probably should've been more subtle about it like Warren was and build a case instead of freaking out. But in the end, since he was the gang's target all along, I can't imagine how he could've avoided his fate in the movie outside of the weather and his earning a different reputation of being a bounty hunter who kills many of his marks. Dude was pretty much doomed.

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No, he was a pretty decent guy.

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decent ???

he was violent and misogynist and Daisy was defending herself when she shot him

and he was rather perverted when he vomited straight into Daisy's face


and if he had treated his male bounties in such a manner - it would have been equally sadistic

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He was only violent to a woman that deserved it.

Where was he misogynist?

Daisy is a criminal. She has no right to complain when gets she what she deserves.

He vomited into her face because she poisoned him.

and if he had treated his male bounties in such a manner - it would have been equally sadistic


Gender equality.

While he did say the N-word when he got upset, he was still very progressive for someone in his time.

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Where was he misogynist?

"...and if he had treated his male bounties in such a manner - it would have been equally sadistic"

Gender equality.
EXACTLY!  Well written!


On November 6, 2012 god blessed America...again. 

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Violent yes, misogynist nope, that's all in your head.

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I was really upset when his character died and at the treatment of his character. I sort of rooted for him as 'the good guy.'

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Same here. I think that's just because Kurt Russell's playing him though and he always comes across as likeable.

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As William Munny said in 'Unforgiven': "deserve's got nothing to do with it".

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