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Why didn't they just kill John Ruth really quick?


They had him outnumbered and had multiple chances when he first walked into the cabin and pretty much the whole time. He was outnumbered and they could have just picked him off. It seems like they made it complicated for no real good reason but to make a movie.

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They had him outnumbered and had multiple chances when he first walked into the cabin and pretty much the whole time. He was outnumbered and they could have just picked him off. It seems like they made it complicated for no real good reason but to make a movie.


It was Jody's idea. Jody was concerned that John Ruth would have a gun pointed at his sister and it would be too risky to try and kill him when he was awake, so he said to wait until Ruth falls asleep. They only counted on maybe the stagecoach driver as the only additional person, but once the two others showed up, it made finding the right moment more difficult.

Other than the above and the fact that it serves the plot, one reason to be cautious was that they knew Ruth's reputation, and I think it's reasonable that unless they take him out instantly, no way would he let Daisy out alive, or let anyone else get his bounty, even if it means his certain death.


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I'd recommend watching the movie again at some point, keeping a close on each character's actions from the start, you pick up on a lot more.
When Ruth first brings Daisy into the cabin, Oswaldo actually begins to sneak up on them while Ruth fixes the coffee, until Daisy quite loudly exclaims that there's both a sheriff and another man (I can't remember if she mentions that he's a bounty hunter or not) travelling with them, which is what forces the gang members to wait.

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Actually, Bob would have had to kill the Major, the Sheriff, and OB, all of whom could have been armed as far as any of the gang members knew. And what did you expect to happen? Bob was supposed to text Oswaldo to let them know how many people were outside, and they'd arrange to perform the kills simultaneously?

No, there was nothing to do but wait until everyone was in the haberdashery so that they could work out exactly who and what they were dealing with. But then, fairly immediately after everyone is together, Ruth takes everyone's guns, leaving the gang members with only Oswaldo's small gun hidden on his person, and the gun hanging under the table (which Gage actually goes and sits at straight after the Major holds a knife to his throat).

So then they sit around waiting for the right opportunity to catch Ruth and the Major off guard, since both are armed and working together. Gage spots an opportunity to poison the coffee while the Major distracts everyone with killing the General, but this fails because the Major just so happens to be sitting at the aforementioned hidden gun table from immediately after the poisoning of the coffee/shooting of the general all the way up until Ruth and O.B. die.

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Oswaldo's small gun hidden on his person

Couldn't believe Ruth let that slip by him when he disarmed the two.

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Yep, I guess Oswaldo's quirky personality, along with his cover of being a hangman (accompanied by a letter- more than Mannix had to prove his identity, for instance) made Ruth let his guard down.

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Even if John Ruth was being cautious, he did not expect to walk into a cabin with 6 (Daisy included) outlaws waiting for him. Samuel Jackson's character was out in the storm, wouldn't have heard a thing. The sherrif and Samuel jackson would have been sitting ducks. Gangsters shoot first and think about the details later in real life. If one hesitates he is considered weak. Great movie, but too much dialogue for an hour at first imo.

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If one hesitates he is considered weak.


Except their leader told them to be careful. They didn't want to just start firing at Ruth. They might hit Daisy. Or Ruth would shot her in retaliation.

Daisy's safety was first and foremost.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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