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People are complaining about the punisher? he's the best part about s02

posted 9 years ago by kabouter69
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Right?

He brings a balance to the absurdity of daredevil. I always hated villians who can't kill people, it just doesn't work.

that's why i hated arrow. In episode 3 the punisher is completly right, you knock em down and they get back up , i knock em down and they stay down. and no one else gets hurt.

#teampunisher

Btw, so the avengers in daredevils mind are evil? they kill lots and lots of people.

The idea is just absurd to me, daredevil plays games, the punisher saves lifes.

"You take half measures!" - punisher.

"The moral of the story is: I chose a half measure, when I should have gone all the way. I’ll never make that mistake again." - Mike , breaking bad.

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[–] Burklayton 9 years ago

"This character doesn't have the exact same moral code I do, and that makes them wrong and stupid all at once!" - The Internet, over and over again

Daredevil has flat out tries to kill in the past, and even tortured someone. He is flawed and human. But partly as a result of his faith, he tries to complete his work without simply executing fellow (albeit crooked) human beings. The vast majority of criminals are not two dimensional psychopaths and many reform and go on to live better lives. Your lack of salience astounds me.

If a truly reprehensible criminal is competently investigated, prosecuted and sentenced, they will never see the outside world again. Or are you going to say that the world would be better if the police executed criminals with wanton abandon? I have three words for you if so: Ferguson Police Department

[–] kabouter69 9 years ago

"This character doesn't have the exact same moral code I do, and that makes them wrong and stupid all at once!" - you right now

If the law and process was fair, we wouldn't need anything like him, but it isn't , it has never been, it will never be.

Your entire argument is based on this magical world where people are fair and life is fair. It isn't.

I'd rather have a hero like the punisher in real life then daredevil, while it might be more comfortable to have daredevil, it's more effective to have frank.

And it's not like he kills petty thieves, he kills the people the law can't get to. Mobsters, child pornographers ect.

The punisher knows who to kill and who not to kill, he is magical and fictional, he doesn't make mistakes, if we had a magical prosecutor like that irl, i would have no problem to bring back the death penalty everywhere.

[–] dmcreif 9 years ago

That doesn't excuse the fact that vigilantism is still a wrong thing to do. The show makes that pretty clear since once the police catch him, Frank Castle is just another criminal in the system.

There's also the fact that his war with street criminals is going to basically be endless because he only stops the criminals. He doesn't stop the things that lead to crime.

[–] kabouter69 9 years ago

Just like daredevil. So daredevil is a criminal as well?

[–] thepennyshowman 9 years ago

Yes.

All vigilantes are criminals.

It's hot... but not as hot as the night Johnny Viti got married...

[–] krypton_son 9 years ago

That doesn't excuse the fact that vigilantism is still a wrong thing to do.

Why? Why is it wrong for good people (who are capable of doing it) to protect innocents from people that would do them harm. I would say that that's one of the best things that could happen.

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[–] rapadake 8 years ago

because people are not black and white like that. Good people become criminals, criminals become good people, good people do criminal things, criminals do good things.

The label and the action are two different things, and a lifetime is a huge thing over which you can judge someones actions over.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

because people are not black and white like that. Good people become criminals, criminals become good people, good people do criminal things, criminals do good things.

Luke Cage demonstrated that. 'Good people become criminals' describes Luke, albeit it was because he was framed. 'Criminals become good people' describes Pop. Etc.

[–] rapadake 8 years ago

I look forward to seeing that show, thank you.

[–] Fusion72 8 years ago

If you had someone like the Punisher in real life and basically 'getting on with the job', he'd inspire anarchy and a manner of independent factions who'll either copy him or do their own thing in the midst of the chaos. Society will have its purge but what comes out of that will be unknown.

[–] rapadake 8 years ago

yeh, you'd get breakaway types of sub-Punishers too. Like Punisher of Parking Attendants, Punisher of queue jumpers and Punisher-of-market-traders-who-keep-shortchanging-me-them-thieving-bastiches.

true anarchy would ensue. Just wait for Punisher of Punisher-Punishers.

[–] Fusion72 8 years ago

Haha, yes, all of the above.

[–] thepennyshowman 9 years ago

If I remember rightly, the majority of complaints on this board about Punisher came BEFORE DDS2 was aired.

We had complaints about Shane from TWD, that he wasn't in the Vietnam War any more, he 'looked emo', that Bernthal was too short - oh and that his hair was wrong.

Since DDS2 was aired, there have been one or two but generally it's been positive.

It's hot... but not as hot as the night Johnny Viti got married...

[–] lockon_stratos 9 years ago

Are you calling DD and Punisher villains? Might be a typo there.

[–] moo90210 8 years ago

The Punisher is a far more interesting character then Daredevil. His point of view makes sense opposed to Daredevils's or even Batman in DC. Batman's no killing rule allows the Joker to kill many thousands of people. If the Punisher ever came in contact with the Joker he'd kill him right away, thus saving thousands of lives.

Opposed to Batman who is a complete dunce and will let him live so the Joker can kill many,many more people. This Punisher was great, a layered and intelligent vigiliante who is actually taking the right approach to improving the streets. The Punisher is Definitely the the most interesting anti-hero.

When I was young I loved Batman, because I didn't know any better, but I now I know he is an unintelligent fool who accomplishes nothing, kind of like Daredevil. A Punisher show would be be far more interesting and his portrayal on the show was great. It was the Most interesting storyline of the past 2 season.

[–] rapadake 8 years ago

but what if you killed someone who was going to go on to be a superhero.

then you'd have accomplished less than nothing.

And the biggest thing isn't your effect on others, but your effect on yourself through killing others. Death no longer becomes a line that you feel bad to cross. You damage your powers of appraising situations because murder becomes an easy way out...and worst of allyou change yourself substantially each time you kill someone.

[–] RightfulFireLordIroh 8 years ago

Other than his family not being killed by the mob, and the deaths not being because they witnessed a hit, Punisher is one of the best things done in live action super hero media period.

Stephen Dillane for Sinestro.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

In episode 3 the punisher is completly right, you knock em down and they get back up , i knock em down and they stay down. and no one else gets hurt.

Well, Finn's crew in "Penny and Dime" show that the Punisher's only half-right. Sure, when Frank hits people they stay down. But that just applies to the individual people. The individual crooks may stay down, but that just means that others will step in and take up the gauntlet, the kind that might threaten everyone with death for potential leads. Had Matt not intervened Frank would have died in the tombs trying to escape the Kitchen Irish. Compare that to season one, where Wilson Fisk wanted to dispatch the man in the mask as discreetly as possible so that the non-corrupt police elements wouldn't get in his way. With the Punisher it's "kill or be killed".

Furthermore, on the subject of Fisk: Matt's refusal to kill Fisk allowed him to get strength in prison. But it was Frank who gave Fisk unlimited influence over the prison.

Oh, and " no one else gets hurt"? Uh, remember that altercation Foggy breaks up at the hospital in "New York's Finest"? Well, Frank Castle's a bit too absorbed to realize that people get hurt as collateral damage to his actions. Consider how many people the Kitchen Irish hurt or killed when they put their bounty out on the Punisher. Or him causing a gang war that's so bad that gangbangers are trying to settle scores on the emergency room floor.