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D'Onofirio brings everything down

posted 8 years ago by sommert-507-32566
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Everything about both his portrayal and the way he's written in every scene is just absurd. He's runs around like a bull in a china shop that gets Machiavellian results, and that he perpetually sounds like a man child doesn't help. Hell, he was upstaged by William Forsythe in 30 seconds in the scene they shared. I'm getting tempted just ti skip every scene he's in an just try to figure out what I missed.

I just pray they let the character go and he disappears.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

For starters, Wilson Fisk isn't going anywhere since he's a fundamental part of the show.

He's runs around like a bull in a china shop that gets Machiavellian results, and that he perpetually sounds like a man child doesn't help.

That is how Fisk acts. He's more or less locked into the state he was in when he killed his father. He never really DID grow up. That is who Fisk is.

Hell, he was upstaged by William Forsythe in 30 seconds in the scene they shared.

Fisk wasn't upstaged by Dutton. Dutton was trying to put Fisk in his place, not realizing that Fisk, ever so ambitious, wouldn't fall for his blatant intimidation tactics.

[–] sommert-507-32566 8 years ago

You missed the point. The character is an idiot, that acts like an idiot, yet somehow ends up being this 'evil mastermind' that he clearly isn't. It's like watching Zack Galfankis character from The Hangover as a criminal mastermind: it doesn't work. A boy scout troop wouldn't follow this imbacile, let alone a criminal organization doing it.

And I said the the actor, William Forsythe, was superior in both his acting skills and his character to Vince and his Kingpin. Forsythe I can buy as being sinsiter and effective. Vince and his Kingpin, no.

Look, Vince's portrayal of a drooling idiot works for you, fine, but he doesn't for me, and I explained why.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

Look, Vince's portrayal of a drooling idiot works for you, fine, but he doesn't for me, and I explained why.

Hate to tell you this, but a lot of folks sadly would disagree with you and point out that Vincent D'Onofrio's portrayal of Wilson Fisk was one of the best things about season 1.

In fact, you should probably read the comics, because that's how Fisk acted in them too.

[–] KurtOnyx 8 years ago

Um I read the comics he has appeared in and he doesn't act like a half wit man child.

[–] DeusExKatrina 8 years ago

He's my number one favorite thing about the show, I find his portrayal of Kingpin nuanced and spellbinding. Without him or Punisher I don't know if I'd necessarily keep watching Daredevil.

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[–] Mr_Recchia 8 years ago

You honestly think Dutton upstaged Fisk? If so you misinterpreted the meaning of his silence as weakness. Dutton was a fool, a pig in Emporer's clothing that Fisk was ready to gut when the timing was right. Even the story subtely mocked him when he called himself the kingpin. You knew what was going to happen. He just let him talk because he didn't feel the need to waste breath. When push came to shove, he managed to dethrone Dutton and mock him about it in his hospital bed, all without getting his own hands the least bit dirty himself.

That's about as Kingpin as you can get.

What does an Italian say when he moves to Canada? I use to live in a boot.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

That's exactly what I was going for. The OP clearly wasn't paying attention if misread that interaction between Fisk and Dutton so badly. That silence is supposed to be Fisk thinking, "One day, Dutton, I'm gonna put you in your place and show you what I truly am."

[–] Verdugo85 8 years ago

D'Onofirio is great as Wilson Fisk.

[–] KurtOnyx 8 years ago

I agree horrible Wilson Fisk.

Michael Clark Duncan was so much better. He was the only good thing in that daredevil movie.

[–] IamKarlWithaK 8 years ago

He's clearly the best thing about this show. You're a tool if you don't get that this is how he's supposed to be. Almost childlike but fighting his inner monster.

[–] KurtOnyx 8 years ago

Yes that's how he is supposed to be in the show because of how he is written for the show.

The comics are another story. So don't tell me he is the same in the comics because he is not.

[–] Mr_Recchia 8 years ago

He's BECOMING the man he was in the comics. That's the point. Look, we don't know what Fisk was like like before he became the alpha male badass who ruled New York with an iron fist and trapped Spider-man in bearhugs. So let's say he was an emotionally stunted little boy in a man's body who can't grow out of the psychological trauma his child-hood brought him. Why not? His pre-supervillain mentality has always been utterly ambigious, so let's put a spin on it. Now, when he finally does become the KINGPIN, the fact that that's where he started makes him see even more badass and interesting.

And if you can't tell he's at least half way there in Season 2, you're in denial.

What does an Italian say when he moves to Canada? I use to live in a boot.

[–] KurtOnyx 8 years ago

I will admit I liked him more in season 2 when he orchestrated the downfall of that gangster who was running the prison.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

I will admit I liked him more in season 2 when he orchestrated the downfall of that gangster who was running the prison.

Yeah, I liked his orchestration of Dutton's demise too. But I'm going to guess you like season 2 Fisk more because he's just a guest character that frankly no one had expected.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

And if you can't tell he's at least half way there in Season 2, you're in denial.

By the end of Luke Cage, he's almost certainly three quarters of the way there, since he must be capitalizing on the shakeup of organized crime caused by the downfalls of Cottonmouth and Diamondback.

[–] Mr_Recchia 8 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Fisk's and Cottonmouth's power only contained in their respective parts of New York? Did Fisk ever show interest in anythign outside Hell's Kitchen?

What does an Italian say when he moves to Canada? I use to live in a boot.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Fisk's and Cottonmouth's power only contained in their respective parts of New York? Did Fisk ever show interest in anythign outside Hell's Kitchen?

Fisk's crooked attorney Donovan from season 2 showed up in Luke Cage representing Cottonmouth after he was arrested for Scarfe's murder, and later was sent by Mariah to interrupt Misty's initial interrogation of Candace so that Candace wouldn't say anything that deviated from the cover story Mariah and Shades had put up for Cottonmouth's murder.

Now this is just a fan theory, but some have suggested that Fisk would probably not respond well to his criminal lawyer representing rival criminals that might pose obstacles to Fisk's quest to become capo di tutti capi of organized crime in downstate New York...unless it was Fisk's plan all along, and intentionally had sent Donovan out to get information from the crime lords. The theory goes that Donovan is Fisk's eyes and ears on the streets, providing Fisk with continuous up to date information on the crimes in Harlem, either through the clients themselves or by access to the NYPD files (from corrupt cops who escaped the FBI probing caused by Hoffman's snitching), allowing him to tie Mariah's, Diamondback's and Cottonmouth's interests to Fisk's.

This gives Fisk everything he'd need to manipulate the Harlem weapons trade. As the theory goes, Mariah will inevitably owe Fisk a considerable debt for all of Donovan's help, and Fisk will be in need of a new weapons supplier for his enterprise after having wiped out the Russians (which is where Diamondback comes in handy), a new advisor since Wesley is dead (which is where Shades comes in). Plus Frank Castle had effectively wiped out the majority of his rivals in Hell's Kitchen, except for the Hand. As Fisk told Frank during "Seven Minutes in Heaven", he is using his time behind bars to effectively establish control over organized crime in New York City's five boroughs.

Given the events of Luke Cage, plus whatever happens in Iron Fist and The Defenders, what's to say that Fisk might be doing some manipulation of those events from behind the scenes.

[–] skoobydoo6789 8 years ago

I thought he does an amazing job as Kingpin.