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Karen and Matt...

posted 8 years ago by xix_azn_luv_xix
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Spoiler alert if you haven't watched it.

But does anyone else hate seeing them together? I cringe. I don't see the chemistry and they're just so awkward together!! I've gotten as far as them being on their first date and kiss... Not cute at all it was just awkward and childish. I feel like this was a mismatch.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

You're in a minority. Or, the vocal minority. I'm sure the silent majority actually liked that plot element.

Also, "chemistry" is a subjective thing. In my opinion, it suggests that you find Karen bland in contrast to Elektra.

I, on the other hand, am one of those who actually is a Matt/Karen shipper. But that's mostly because I have the benefit of knowing that Elektra was just a really bad match for Matt.

Of course, I do have to assume you're not one of those "I don't know why, but I just don't like Karen" people....

[–] xix_azn_luv_xix 8 years ago

I don't have a problem with her character but seeing them two together is just awful in my opinion. I thought this even before Elecktra came in the picture.

[–] haxemon 8 years ago

To each their own of course. But I see it this way:

Karen wants someone to keep her safe but also can't resist a bad boy (an over-simplification of course). Matt is both at the same time.

Matt wants someone strong but without the crazy that Elektra brings. Karen is strong (at least from what Matt has seen) and not as crazy (again, from what Matt has seen).

I have a strong feeling that Matt and Karen may both have huge regrets about each other after another season or two.

Reading my signature constitutes admission that I am correct. (Too late)

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

Matt wants someone strong but without the crazy that Elektra brings. Karen is strong (at least from what Matt has seen) and not as crazy (again, from what Matt has seen).

I see that too. Elektra was just a manipulative one. You knew right off the bat she was going to be no good for Matt's life. I honestly was also one who thought Matt and Karen had better onscreen romantic chemistry than Matt and Elektra. It also fits with the timeline, as I believe Matt's college fling with Elektra only lasted a few weeks tops. By contrast, when he and Karen had their first kiss, they'd been working out of the same office space for several months, so they'd already known each other for quite a while.

I have a strong feeling that Matt and Karen may both have huge regrets about each other after another season or two.

I think that a Defenders subplot might be Matt rebuilding his ties with Karen and Foggy.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

Karen wants someone to keep her safe but also can't resist a bad boy (an over-simplification of course). Matt is both at the same time.

I also like to sink Kastle shippers (Karen / Frank Castle). Mostly because I don't see Frank Castle getting involved with another woman while still mourning the loss of his own family. Karen only got drawn to him because she was trying to convince herself that after killing James Wesley, she could still be a good person. She thought he only killed criminals to deal with his family's death. Then she witnessed his handiwork at the diner, and realized she'd been lying to herself about whether Frank was someone worthy of redemption. She desperately hoped that what she saw was wrong, but then he executed the Blacksmith in cold blood. In that moment, Karen realized that Frank was a sociopath - he would never be a normal person again and that he actually wanted to kill criminals without remorse.

There's also the fact that Karen first has gotten to know Matt as the lawyer so knows that part of him.

[–] A_girl_is_noone 8 years ago

I feel the same way. Their chemistry seems really awkward and off to me, but I do prefer her to Elektra whom I didn't like at all. I thought Matt had the best chemistry with Claire...too bad she moved on. Deborah Woll has always had problems with chemistry/screen intimacy imo. I liked her character on True Blood, but I didn't care for any of her relationships.

[–] dmcreif 8 years ago

I didn't like Elektra either, but that was because I felt she was a manipulative bastard (I'd use b-word for a female dog to describe her manipulativeness, but IMDb would censor it).

[–] xix_azn_luv_xix 8 years ago

I don't think Karen can ever deal with him being gone all the time and always the need to fight. I feel like she has more chemistry with The Punisher than Matt but it doesn't mean I think they can have it workout.

[–] xix_azn_luv_xix 8 years ago

I did see her in True Blood, maybe it's just her and relationships on acting! I just don't feel it.

Anyway, I did like Claire too.