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Amazing movie with one really dumb thing about it...

posted 7 years ago by Frogarama (12942)
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It's a minor thing, but it would have been so easy to avoid this silly issue. When everyone is "mind frozen" at the Vegas hotel, the soldiers would not continue to stand after they've been killed. Seeing them fall as they were killed would have been just fine, no need for that silly "they all fall down" after Xavier's seizure is done.

I mean, having them continue to stand up and still be "mind frozen" after death is as silly as it would be to have that tray of glasses float in midair after Logan bumps into the frozen waitress in the lobby.

Otherwise, this is one of the best action movies I have ever seen, and it really transcends being an X-Men movie as well. Never would have thought a movie like this would come out in that franchise.

Now I wonder... Marvel movies aren't just fantastic because of Marvel/Disney. Deadpool and the X-Men series are independent of Disney yet they are fantastic too. Why can't Warner Brothers get its act together with DC movies? Even Wonder Woman is a pretty dull and horribly basic movie. WW and The Dark Knight are pretty much all there is on the modern DC side, in terms of quality (okay, Batman Begins was fine, but Dark Knight Rises shows that even Nolan can make an excruciating and terrible Batman movie). Justice League is probably going to be horrible.

[–] Kurt (189) 7 years ago

That's a minor nitpick, imo. I found it much worse that a child had implanted a metal skeleton, which they suggested, as she was still growing. It just made no sense to me. Would have been better if she had had the bony extensions as in the way wolverine/Logan/James claws worked at first.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

I agree it's very minor, which is why I started my post with that...

Anyway, good point about her adamantium skeletal coating. I wonder if it would cause her to stop growing, and she'd stay pint-sized? The adult muscle growth on that small frame could make her really dangerous in the future, as if she's not dangerous enough.

I also wonder why Xavier only felt the presence of Laura, and not the others that got out of the facility? Maybe just because she was closest? This is assuming, of course, that none of the other escaped mutant kids were nearby, even though the facility they escaped from was.

[–] Kurt (189) 7 years ago

Good question, I wonder if they simply forgot to consider it, or if they deliberately meant for her to stay small? The other bit I don't remember from the movie. I suppose it's because she's near, he doesn't have Cerebro.

[–] Kurt (189) 7 years ago

By the way, the engineered child soldiers substory, even if it's based on a comic, it still kind of reminded me of the flashbacks in the tv-show Dark Angel, though that show wasn't nearly as bleak and violent as this. That show was about genetically engineered child super-soldiers who escape the big "evil corp" which manufactured and trained them.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Sounds interesting. Dark Angel is possibly the only James Cameron created property I've never checked out, so I should probably give it a look. I even have the 3D blu-ray of his Titanic documentary, Ghosts of the Abyss.

Oh wait, I never saw Deepsea Challenge... Time to see if that's on 3D blu-ray too.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

D'oh, I already have Deepsea Challenge 3D, just haven't watched it.

Thanks for mentioning Dark Angel, I may not have remembered it otherwise.

[–] HAL 9010 (906) 7 years ago

hehehe well spotted Sir. Yes, this makes no sense or it means her growth will be very painful and problematic, to say the very least.

[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

Okay, it's been a long time since I took anatomy and physiology but...

It might be possible to put adamantium coating on only the parts of a child's skeleton that aren't due to grow. Human skeletens don't expand as a whole, at least some bones grow outward from a certain point, a "growth plate" area. So if that area was left metal-free, the skeleton might continue to grow normally in spite of the adamantium.

As for the soldiers standing up when they're dead during Xavier's seizure, whether that's possible depends on what parts of the body are affected by Xavier's "siezures". It's been known for a couple of centuries that it's possible to induce muscle contractions in dead things, and well, of course we don't know exactly how Xavier's powers affect humans at the cellular/metabolic level. If his psychic powers stimulate the involuntary nervous system, the peripheral nerves that connect the muscles to the brain, or the parts of the brain that control muscles and didn't have claws severing all the neural connections, or some of the cells kept working for a few minutes as the body shut down (which is why people can be revived by CPR), I suppose there could possibly muscle contractions continuing after a person is officially dead. So I can't call "bull" on that one, just call it really really unlikely.

[–] Kurt (189) 7 years ago

Leg and arm bone definitely grows, ribcage as well.

[–] Otter (24464) 7 years ago

As I said it's been a while since I took A&P, but leg bones and skull bones definitely grow outward from known growth plates, so it might be possible to armor-plate the non-growing parts of those bones if you were really, really patient.

I've totally forgotten how the bones of the spine, rib cage, and pelvis grow. But they'd definitely grow a lot before that child is adult-sized.

[–] ArmadilloKnight (456) 7 years ago

All that modern DC has going for it is the Dark Knight trilogy and maybe Man of Steel.

Wonder Woman felt dull indeed.

As for their current universe, their first mistake was letting Zack Snyder take over even after Man of Steel's lukewarm reception. The second one was trying to play catch-up with Marvel, instead of fleshing out their characters on solid solo movies first.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

The second one was trying to play catch-up with Marvel,

Exactly. I've described it myself in almost the exact same words! Great minds do think alike ;)

[–] Bubbathegut (18075) 7 years ago

Another minor thing is that people still text 40 years from now. You have to admit that was pretty stupid.

[–] GreenLantern (188) 7 years ago

Are you referring to the movie? It was only set 12 years ahead.

[–] Bubbathegut (18075) 7 years ago

Oh my bad, its still funny to think people will be texting 12 years from now.

[–] HAL 9010 (906) 7 years ago

To be fair, the world seemed a bit post-apocalyptic..... so not a merry place. Even cars were pretty much the same as now. So, hey it ain't a new brave world, sadly. So why not?

[–] HAL 9010 (906) 7 years ago

But his ability goes beyond mere mind control (although this is his primal force), it extends to objects as well.... so the freeze bubble also effect their bodies, if dead or alive, as it shows. So it works....

In Marvel own words: "Charles' telepathy allows him to project and read thoughts, locate the position of specific minds, control others' perceptions and, if desired, brainwash them. He is also a low-level telekinetic, able to move objects with his mind."

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

But it doesn't affect Logan's body, or the tray of drinks he knocks over.

[–] HAL 9010 (906) 7 years ago

True. But fact is that it does freeze the bodies of the guards and not the drinks, so lets see if we can explain this within the merits of the movie and the X-men universe before we diss it as a plothole :)

His primary force is mind control and to a much lesser degree telekinetic control, and so this bubble is primarily effecting minds around him. But nearer his own body, it also effects objects connected to the minds he control.... ergo, the guards and their bodies are locked, unlike mindless objects like drinks near him.

Logan can fight this, because he is strong and his mind and muscle can regenerate when resisted or even frozen, thus giving him an edge over others to fight this mind and body lockdown back...

... works?

[–] actionkamen (23176) 7 years ago

Even if it cannot be worked out, it's still just a goof at best, not a plothole.

[–] HAL 9010 (906) 7 years ago

hmmm, not sure if I agree: A goof is a mistake made during filming, like a hat moves between takes. Or the length of haircut during a scene.. A plot hols is when something occurs that is impossible to the plot. So when his power effect dead bodies like this, is this against the logic of the plot or a mistake made under the production ?

Hmmm.... I guess the line between a goof and a plot-hole is thin.

In my view a goof is more a mistake caused under the production of the movie (either on set or in script)... like, a hat moving, or a geographical incorrect location of a city for example (caused by poor script research).

Where a plot hole is an impossible event in the story. So I would say, IF this was a mistake, I would call it a plot hole and not a goof as it would present how his powers work wrong. Power of the mind simply does not give power over mindless things. If this is shown, it is a mistake in the plot.

The thing is, imo it is not a mistake, no goof and no plot hole. He also has telekinetic powers and so it can be explained within the merits of the movie universe.