You are so ridiculous and the biggest troll here. Krist was actually around Kurt doing his final days and can give an account on Kurt's behavior unlike you who act like you were in the room when Kurt died. Now you want to play mind reader and say what Krist is thinking and feeling? Krist and Courtney feuded for 20 years over Nirvana. If he truly thought that Courtney had something to do with Kurt's death or that Kurt didn't kill himself he would have said it doing that time. Krist has always maintained that Kurt killed himself because that is what he believes and based on his experience with Kurt doing the days leading up to Kurt's death.
Funny how the denier trolls like to accuse others of being trolls.
Kurt broke off his friendship with Krist. Krist had no insight into Kurt's mental state because Krist no longer hung out with Kurt. Krist was at the "drug intervention" but had no true insight into Kurt's behavior and merely bought into Courtney's lies. Krist had no idea that Courtney had convinced child protective services that it was Kurt who was a junkie.
This is what Krist said right after Kurt's death.
"I don't have it all figured out right now." (Seattle Post Intelligencer, April 14 1994).
Krist was in shock and despite the crap he spouts now, Krist did not believe that Kurt was suicidal. Someone who needs time to "figure it out" could not have seen it coming like he now claims. Krist is an individual who was pushed to the outskirts and no longer was a part of the "inner circle". He was no longer called Kurt's best friend. That role would go to Dylan Carlson.
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moonfirez
9 years ago
Kurt broke off his friendship with Krist. Krist had no insight into Kurt's mental state because Krist no longer hung out with Kurt. Krist was at the "drug intervention" but had no true insight into Kurt's behavior and merely bought into Courtney's lies. Krist had no idea that Courtney had convinced child protective services that it was Kurt who was a junkie.
What the hell are you talking about? Krist someone he knew Kurt since they were teens and was with Kurt days befoe his death has no insight into to Kurt's mental state but yet some troll like you who never met Kurt has more insight into Kurt's mental state then he does? Also you want to believe childhood friends who haven't seen Kurt in years as having more insight into Kurt's state of mind than Krist? What sense does that make? Kurt may have been pissed off at Krist but that still doesn't change the fact that Krist was around Kurt days before Kurt died. One day Krist gave Kurt a ride and Kurt claimed that he wanted to go get something to eat but that was just a lie to go score more drugs. Kurt would rather go get high than get help. Krist was also the one who drove Kurt to the airport the first time and that is when him and Kurt got into a physical fight because Kurt didn't want to go to rehab. That was the last time Krist saw Kurt. Krist told Charles Cross that he knew that was the last time he would see Kurt alive. Krist saw how out of control Kurt was.
"I don't have it all figured out right now." (Seattle Post Intelligencer, April 14 1994).
Krist was in shock and despite the crap he spouts now, Krist did not believe that Kurt was suicidal. Someone who needs time to "figure it out" could not have seen it coming like he now claims. Krist is an individual who was pushed to the outskirts and no longer was a part of the "inner circle". He was no longer called Kurt's best friend. That role would go to Dylan Carlson.
Funny how you take one quote from Krist as the final word for your insane argument and ignore everything else he has said since then. You do the same crap with Courtney the the SPD. You accuse them of lying and then the next minute quote them. That quote was given days after Kurt's body was found. Of course he was in shock. In most cases when someone commits suicide their family and friends initially don't want to believe they did it.I still haven't seen any quote from Krist ever saying that Kurt was murdered. All I see is your speculation. You say Krist was pushed out of the inner circle but the people who where in the inner circle like Dylan, Pat Smear, Eric Erlandson, and Cali all believe that Kurt killed himself but yet you claim that his inner circle was in on the murder plot so I don't know why the hell you brought up Dylan in the first place?
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Sly_Vaping_Guy
9 years ago
Looks like someone has a lot of research they need to do. Krist was a former best friend of Kurt. Notice how everyone says that Dylan Carlson was Kurt's best friend? There's a reason why you know. But I'm not wasting anymore time on you.
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moonfirez
9 years ago
Looks like someone has a lot of research they need to do. Krist was a former best friend of Kurt. Notice how everyone says that Dylan Carlson was Kurt's best friend? There's a reason why you know.
I know Dylan was Kurt's best friend. I never said that he wasn't. Also I don't care many times you keep saying that Krist was a former friend of Kurt's, it still doesn't change the fact that Krist was around Kurt doing his last days. Unlike you he actually has personal experience and real insight on Kurt's behavior and actions.
But I'm not wasting anymore time on you.
Because you can't come up with an valid response on what I had to say.
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arkraider85
9 years ago
You've never offered any evidence to support your ridiculous claim.
Yes I have. I laid it out pretty clearly right here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3253624/board/thread/245226252?p=12&d=251107116•Sometime between April 4 and April 6, 1994: Kurt Cobain dies.
•The morning of April 8, 1994: Kurt Cobain's corpse is discovered. Soon thereafter, an autopsy is conducted (I couldn't find the exact date of the autopsy, but it was obviously after the 8th and before the 14th).
•The afternoon of April 8, 1994: An SPD spokesperson announces that the final toxicological figure will be known in about three weeks. [http://kurtcobainsdeath.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/morphine/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vnT255QEaw—2:29]
•April 14, 1994: A source within the coroner's office leaks the preliminary toxicological figure (1.52 mg/L) and it is printed in The Seattle Post-Intelligencer. For those of you who aren't so good with math—April 8 to April 14 is considerably less than three weeks.
•March 2014: Ciesynski releases his review report. In it, he still quotes the 1.52 mg/L figure. So you can keep screaming that he's seen the final toxicology report till you're blue in the face, but until you can give me a reasonable explanation as to why he chose not to quote its contents and instead repeat the figure quoted six days after the body was discovered, I repeat...Until you can address this discrepancy, you've got nothin'.
But I'm not wasting anymore time on you.
Because you can't come up with an valid response on what I had to say.
He always does this, pay it no mind. This board is full of threads in which people directly ask him to back up his outrageous claims with facts, evidence and logic; and every time, he only offers a response just like the one above. He's now become a joke even to the other murder theorists. And I hope he keeps at it, since his asinine and threadbare theories will do more to wake people up to how implausible the murder theory is than anything
we could ever say.
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arkraider85
9 years ago
You are not fooling anyone with this nonsense arkraider85.
I'm not attempting to "fool" anyone. I don't understand how you can be so dense as to not understand how toxicology tests that are conducted post-autopsy work. I've provided plenty of links to that information, written by people in the field who are far more knowledgeable than I am about the process. You are still yet to offer any explanation whatsoever for the discrepancy as to why Ciesynski would choose to quote the less accurate figure in his review if he's seen the final figure. So who's kidding whom?
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arkraider85
9 years ago
You are just very confused and you don't know what a final autopsy report is.
"I've provided plenty of links to that information"
Like this one "http://kurtcobainsdeath.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/morphine";?
You should be more careful about the information on the web. It was not written by someone in the field.
I meant more like this one:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-testsAnd I think you're missing the actual point I'm trying make here—just to be clear, the SPD/Ciesynski may very well have the final toxicological figure,
but none of us know what it is because Ciesynski chose to instead quote the figure released in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer article on 04/14/1994.
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arkraider85
9 years ago
We know because:
-The case investigation report is an official written police report= no *beep* allowed
-The figure was also confirmed by the medical examiner,Dr. Hartshorne, during an undercover tape recorded conversation
Now you're just straight-up parroting talking points from Tom Grant's website:
http://www.cobaincase.com/updatemay2014.htmAnd none of that negates what I said. Is this really all you've got?
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arkraider85
9 years ago
It's perfectly possible that the accurate figure was available in less that three weeks (hey moron, contrary to you i understand what i read about toxicology tests)
So they decided to do three extra weeks of extensive tests for no reason whatsoever, what, just for sh-ts and giggles? You still haven't offered any sort of evidence that would persuade a thinking, rational person to believe your claim that the preliminary figure is the same as the final one that's never been released. But by all means, please continue with your tantrum.
Anyone with half a brain can understand that the main debate is about heroin tolerance.
We've already had (and settled) that debate quite a few times on this board.
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arkraider85
9 years ago
I don't have a definitive opinion about that debate but one thing is certain: it's way more complex than you think.
Okay, I'll bite: how so? It's not as if I
didn't approach the issue of drug tolerance as a complex one to begin with. You seem to have a habit of implying that you have a great deal of insight into these things without ever offering up anything to back it up (just as you STILL haven't offered any evidence for your assertion in the argument we've been having). As I said in the first post of the thread I started, people need to bring facts, evidence and logic to the table if they want their claims to have any sort of merit. I try to keep an open mind and I certainly have no dog in this fight in terms of caring one way or another how Kurt Cobain died, so if you have something compelling to add to the debate, please share it with the rest of the class.
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arkraider85
9 years ago
Let's just say that i've still a lot of questions while you think you know all the answers.
"As I said... people need to bring facts, evidence and logic to the table" like you did? Lmao.
You're still saying a lot of nothing.
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bruiser-t-cat
9 years ago
What is your obsession with Kurt's 'best fwends'? They were all grown ups! It doesn't matter who was best friends with who. Krist was still around Kurt. He spent time with him, he talked to him. Dylan was a junkie at the time and was more than likely more concerned about his own drug addiction than his 'best friend'.
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joakes-17128
9 years ago
Notice how everyone says that Dylan Carlson was Kurt's best friend? There's a reason why you know.
yea, because they were both junkies
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Sly_Vaping_Guy
9 years ago
yea, because they were both junkies
He was a user. But I personally would not say Kurt was a junkie because that level of addiction is an every day thing for them. We know from the Rome incident that heroin was not found in his system. So that indicates that it was not an everyday thing for Kurt.
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joakes-17128
9 years ago
Kurt would take just about any drug he could get his hands on. He himself admitted to taking upwards of $400 worth of heroin a day at one point. No casual user would be able to survive that. Also, I'd like to see the source for your claim about Rome.
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Sly_Vaping_Guy
9 years ago
Kurt lied all the time. Any boast of that amount sounds suspicious. Look it up.
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sumtim3s00n
9 years ago
So if Kurt said something you like you quote it if you dont like it you say he lied all the time. If you like sth Courtney said you quote her if not, you say shes a known liar. If you like sth anyone said you quote them if not, you completely dismiss it. See where im going with this. You really are a joke.
And dont think youre fooling anyone with your second account here, its obvious its you.
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Sly_Vaping_Guy
9 years ago
Kurt's friends have admitted that most of his boasts were bull *beep* For example, that he lost his virginity to a mentally retarded girl. Never happened. So if Kurt boasted about doing $400 worth of heroin it likely is a lie as well. That was just what Kurt did. It's a part of his humor. I'm sorry you can't understand that.
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joakes-17128
9 years ago
The 'fat retard' story sounds dubious because it's never been confirmed by anyone who grew up with Kurt. In that same article where Buzz Osborne refuted it, he also stated that Kurt made up the stomach ailment as an excuse to stay loaded. The Melvins tried to record Houdini with Kurt working as producer in late '92/ early '93 and had to let him go because he was so messed up all the time. Krist and their manager tried to stage multiple interventions. Whether or not that exact number is true, it's really apparent that his drug use far beyond casual.
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slidell333
9 years ago
Leaving the Suicide vs. Conspiracy aside, Dave Grohl has absolutely nothing to gain from coming out and questioning Courtney or making any statement about Kurt's death being anything but a suicide. He has a lot to lose. Publicly he has never questioned the suicide. Behind closed doors...who knows?
Dave "Crown Time" Blankenship for Time Man of the Year.
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joakes-17128
9 years ago
What does Dave have to lose by questioning the official report? He already has millions of adoring fans who cling to his every action and most of them already hate Courtney anyway.
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slidell333
9 years ago
I don't think it would affect his fans but I don't think his Management, Record Label and PR people would want him to say he thinks he's a conspiracy believer. I know he could probably care less about Courtney....and it would be one thing to say he questions the official report, without implying there's a vast conspiracy. It would be interesting for a major musician to say they believe Kurt was murdered, albeit a former band member. I can't think of any that have come out publicly. Maybe not a lot to lose but nothing to gain...other than a Twitter war with Courtney and Co.
Dave "Crown Time" Blankenship for Time Man of the Year.
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joakes-17128
9 years ago
Record companies only care about the bottom line. Dave publicly questioning the official police reports isn't going to have any noticeable impact on his album and ticket sales because nobody gives a flying *beep* if he thinks about the conspiracy theories.
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JRodFilms
9 years ago
arent they friends again? hasnt he also publicly said she had nothing to do with it? not gonna happen.
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