Just watched the movie and I totally think it was in fact a suicide . Courtney is a wacky , crazy drug addict and would not act as a normal person would . Kurt Cobain was very depressed , just watch footage of him , the guy was miserable !
shareThere is no "smoking gun" so to speak but the investigation was handled so badly, and there are still so many unanswered questions, that an inquest would be warranted. Tom Grant still has some information that he hadn't made public that directly implicates Courtney Love; if the investigation is reopened, he will reveal what he had. Courtney's behaviour was definitely strange enough during the time Kurt "went missing" to the time his body was found to throw suspicion on her and she has benefitted greatly from his death.
shareI find it odd that he has had this information for 21 years but hasn't once tried to reveal it to anyone. If he really has proof that she did it then why is he wasting everyone's time with books, films, TV shows, radio shows, interviews with the press? He claims he is waiting for the case to be reopened and then he will present it to the FBI? Why not go to the SPD or FBI now?
share[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
To quote courtney love "um...well...um...i don't know...anyway...um" (when grant told her that rosemary carroll was suspicious...)
She is very persuasive, isn't it?
Wow, you are really struggling to make sense. He didn't give a "head's up" to Courtney about Rosemary being suspicious. He sent a letter to Rosemary Carroll after she cut off contact with him when she found out that he was recording her calls with her prompting him to look further into the case since she was adamantly telling him Kurt was not suicidal. Not only that, she's the one that disclosed Courtney's handwriting practice sheet and note to self saying to get arrested the night before Kurt was found. She violated her atty client privilege and could have lost her law license.
Her awkwardly nervous reaction was clearly her crapping herself due to the fact that Tom Grant said he can prove everything he said on a radio show about what Rosemary Carroll said to him being suspicious of Kurt not killing himself. Courtney obviously approached Rosemary and she denied to Courtney she said that stuff. Grant can prove it all with his audio recordings. Courtney backed off in that conversation. You see, she tried to get Grant to sign a confidentiality agreement. Why? She sues everyone and their mother, but not Tom Grant. Why?
To the original poster, there are plenty of thing pointing to Courtney wanting her husband dead including motive.
Wow, you are really struggling to make sense. He didn't give a "head's up" to Courtney about Rosemary being suspicious. He sent a letter to Rosemary Carroll after she cut off contact with him when she found out that he was recording her calls with her prompting him to look further into the case since she was adamantly telling him Kurt was not suicidal. Not only that, she's the one that disclosed Courtney's handwriting practice sheet and note to self saying to get arrested the night before Kurt was found. She violated her atty client privilege and could have lost her law license.
Her awkwardly nervous reaction was clearly her crapping herself due to the fact that Tom Grant said he can prove everything he said on a radio show about what Rosemary Carroll said to him being suspicious of Kurt not killing himself.
[deleted]
I just adore when people blame courtney's suspicious behavior on drugs!
She has this awkward/hilarious reaction not because she was a drug addict but because grant told her: "sit back and watch me prove that she did say it"
How does it feel when your attorney/ godmother of your child/friend thinks that you are involved in the murder of your husband and the PI you hired can prove her suspicions?
"um...well...um...i don't know...anyway...um"CL. Paranoid because of drug you said. Nope.
"Rosemary should have lost her license" Like grant, don't you think? They didn't and it's not odd for you but you "find it really odd that her own husband thinks that its suicide and that the murder conspiracy is crazy yet his wife was going behind everyone's back talking nonsense to Grant."
OMG, she doesn't think like her husband! No way! This chick must be a nutcase! Thinking for herself, who does she think she is!
[deleted]
[deleted]
Funny coming from one of Grant's number one fans Most of your post don't make sense and are grasping at straws to fit the murder theory.I thought the poster meant that Grant actually told Courtney that Rosemary was suspicious. Whatever. Doesn't change my opinion on Grant.
Rosemary should have lost her license. She seems like a nutcase
What part of Courtney was on drugs do you not understand?
So you admit that you have poor reading comprehension. You have the same replies to every post. Youāre Tom Grants #1 fan! Blah blah blah grasping at straws blah blah Courtney was on drugs! Blah blah Grant is an idiot!
Rosemary Carroll is a nutcase now. Thatās a new one.
What kind of argument is this anyway? Just because she was āon drugsā doesnāt make her exempt from any responsibility. You know, because, people āon drugsā never commit crimes. Who is grasping at straws again?
Please take your weak feeble-minded arguments elsewhere.
Grant wouldnt be cross examining her.
shareYep when I read that recently I started having some second thoughts about Tom Grant and his theories. If I had some solid evidence pertaining to someone's death I think I'd be morally obligated to release it to the police. Not sure how the law sees it but I don't think I'd hold onto it. Are you even legally allowed to withhold it? If what he's holding onto is that powerful why doesn't he release it so the cops have no choice but to re-open the case? It makes no sense to me.
Could be possible that the cops have already heard those tapes and it's useless to figuring out whether Kurt was murdered or not. And Tom Grant just wants to milk it for all it's worth.
It's because you don't know a thing about investigations. Otherwise, if you were educated on the subject, then you would know that no investigator releases the entire information they have or the case is lost. In this case the Seattle police are part of the problem and can not be trusted with any information, period.
share[deleted]
The FBI won't accept anything unless they are actively investigating. The FBI can take over the case and reopen it but it's doubtful that would happen. Until the case is reopened they will not accept anything. So before you actually reply it's best to make sure you actually know what you are talking about. In your case you don't.
shareOh really, not even if that information is oh so damning, just oh so mind blowing and specific that it could help catch a MURDERER You are funny.
shareI don't make the rules. If the investigation is closed they will not accept anything. The same with police. Did you not know the SPD won't accept anything either? They've even threatened to arrest people who refuse to leave after being told they will not accept anything. The only thing that will get this case reopened is public pressure. Then when the case is reopened at that time evidence can be handed over properly.
shareYou know you need the law and law enforcement if anyone is actually going to be brought to justice right? You know that right? So any evidence that strongly implicates anyone needs to be turned over to them period. Whether you like it or not. Otherwise nothing is going to happen. We are talking about someone's death. So I don't buy a single shred of what you are saying.
Secondly and this is funny. So according to you public pressure will re open the case. How long has this been going on now? Movie came out and went, I don't see the public lathering at the mouth to have this case re opened. But apparently Tom Grant is sitting on the oh so damning evidence that will bowl everyone over and have them beating down the SPD's door to re open. But again he's not going to release it.
Which leads me to conclude that Tom Grant has indeed turned anything that could directly implicate anyone in Kurt's death to law enforcement already and it turned up nada. Or he simply has nothing else. He can tell the public whatever he wants.
So what is that you are saying? Because you have contradicted yourself several times. Is he withholding this damning evidence from law enforcement or are they not accepting this secret scary evidence? He's a former cop, he knows how it works. You don't hide evidence from law enforcement that strongly implicates a murderer.
Lets see.. At the time Courtney was usually that messed up on drugs she struggles to put a coherent sentence together but apparently she is smart enough to murder one of the most famous guys on the planet and get away with it. Yep, makes a lof of sense. IT WAS AN ATTEMPTED SUICIDE in Rome . anyone with half a brain could see that. No matter what the others are saying. You seriously think Kurts going to say..No it wasn't an accident please lock me in a room with no drugs away from my friends and daughter..
shareLets see.. At the time Courtney was usually that messed up on drugs she struggles to put a coherent sentence together but apparently she is smart enough to murder one of the most famous guys on the planet and get away with it. Yep, makes a lof of sense. IT WAS AN ATTEMPTED SUICIDE in Rome . anyone with half a brain could see that. No matter what the others are saying. You seriously think Kurts going to say..No it wasn't an accident please lock me in a room with no drugs away from my friends and daughter..
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
[deleted]
At the time Courtney was usually that messed up on drugs she struggles to put a coherent sentence together
IT WAS AN ATTEMPTED SUICIDE in Rome . anyone with half a brain could see that. No matter what the others are saying. You seriously think Kurts going to say..No it wasn't an accident please lock me in a room with no drugs away from my friends and daughter..
She sure sounded coherent on all of those audio recordings.
I hope you guys are right and that he was murdered instead of suicide. But after reading so many books on kurt and seeing him in so many interviews etc Seeing him on stage forgetting lyrics looking like he hated being there..I'm surprised he took that long to kill himself.
shareBut after reading so many books on kurt and seeing him in so many interviews etc Seeing him on stage forgetting lyrics looking like he hated being there..I'm surprised he took that long to kill himself.
Not many fans know kurt quit Nirvana...Probably because its just another rumour floating around. The guy from the meat puppets heard from somebody else that kurt quit the band. I'm sure he went through stages every week saying he wanted to quit. .But once again.. No real proof. Also how come Novoselic thinks it was a suicide... He was probably the closest person to him in his life?
shareNovoselic may think it was a suicide. But actually that's just his opinion, that's what he thinks happened that day. But we have facts like, there were no fingerprints on the scene, Kurt didn't had gunpowder in his hands when we know that when a person shoots a gun, it leaves gunpowder in one's hand and the gunpowder can be traced. Facts like these are evidence that it was murder.
share[deleted]
Well he would've known Kurt better than pretty much everyone on the planet..
shareThe SPD did not hear any tapes because they weren't interested in investigating beyond a suicide.
Who else is milking Kurts death more than Courtney love?
Kurt's family all got copies of his autopsy , no one ever questioned it ! They all agree it was a suicide . Courtney Love of course has problems but that in no way is evidence she did anything to kill him , it is ridiculous !
share[deleted]
I can't read this whole thread but just my 2 cents.. I don't believe for a second that Courtney Love masterminded a homicide and cover up. Kurt was a very troubled young man who killed himself.
shareThen your opinion is undeducated and worthless.
share"Then your opinion is undeducated and worthless."
Keep in mind that Vaping Guy worships the ground Tom Grant walks on, and disregards everything anyone states that is contrary to assertions made by Grant, even if they were in close proximity to Kurt near the end.
Duff McKeagan was on the plane flight with Kurt. I notice he is played by an actor but does not seem to have appeared in the film as himself. Did Grant ever interview Duff? Duff claims they were both messed up on the flight, but how can someone messed up on drugs know if another person is messed up on drugs? It takes trained detective skills of somebody like Tom Grant to figure that out.
this and the other doc really make it look like courtney paid a guy to kill kurt.
but its just 1 side of the arguement
someone could probably make a fairly convincing video thats premise is the opposite
someone could probably make a fairly convincing video thats premise is the opposite
Except that Kurt's own friends said MOH was crap and was Courtney's propaganda.
shareYeah that's really too bad because I really liked the animated parts. I was enjoying them until it got completely hijacked by Courtney and turned negative. He's had so many other great lyrics to focus on than death related. It could have done without Courtney's tits and all of the interviews in my opinion. If it were all animated and actually objectively shown, it would have been great.
shareI don't think anyone has ever said Courtney Love literally pulled the trigger that killed him. She was obviously in L.A. at the time of his death. Grant actually notes in Soaked in Bleach that he found it bizarre that a concerned spouse made no effort to go back home to seek out her missing husband, especially with no especially urgent business going on in L.A.
This Cali guy seems ultra bizarre to me. How on earth did the cops not talk to him at great length? Or did they? The documentary was never all that clear. It is clearer noting that Carlson may know more than he's telling, but Cali?
Nothing points to CL? Everything points to CL!
share