SPD Releases Pictures Of Shotgun Used In Kurt's Death - Soaked in Bleach (2015) Discussion

[–] ljshorts 9 years ago

It's... silenced?

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[–] BingoFlip20943 9 years ago

No I believe that's just the style of the barrel. Sly, can you expand on why this is major news?

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[–] bruiser-t-cat 9 years ago

Tom Grant claimed SPD gave it back to CL and it was melted down.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

Courtney Love herself said in interviews that the shotgun was returned to her and she had it destroyed. That's why Tom said that it had been destroyed.

Why would the SPD hang on to it? Highly unusual if they actually thought it was just a suicide.

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[–] moonfirez 9 years ago

Courtney Love herself said in interviews that the shotgun was returned to her and she had it destroyed. That's why Tom said that it had been destroyed.

Why is Grant believing anything that CL says? Grant and the conspiracy theorist accuse CL of being a lying nutjob but yet use statements that CL has said to him or the press as facts but then want to act shocked when they find out its not true. WTH

Why would the SPD hang on to it? Highly unusual if they actually thought it was just a suicide.

The SPD must be confident that it was suicide since they came to the same conclusion back in 2014. Who knows why they kept the gun? Maybe because Kurt being a celebrity? Remember they did review the case again 20 years later and I don't know how often if any that they go back and review other cases of suicide.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

The other guns that were confiscated were indeed melted down. So it's not Grant's fault for assuming Courtney was telling the truth about having the shotgun melted down as well.

There was not review. That was a preemptive strike because the SPD knew the documentary was coming out and so they wanted to attack first.

Remember, the SPD claims Kurt shot himself from the sitting up position, which is physically impossible for someone of his height, not to mention that the shotgun shell was found on the wrong side of the body had he really shot himself. The shotgun was not tested for prints until a month after Kurt's death. The can of rootbeer had it's contents dumped out before they could be tested and the SPD has been caught in multiple lies, not to mention that the lead investigator was brought up on corruption charges for another case. Don't pretend that the investigation was thorough or just.

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[–] NYultra 9 years ago

I have a thread dedicated to the cadaveric spasm, check it out:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3253624/board/nest/252046554?ref_=tt_bd_1

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[–] moonfirez 9 years ago

The other guns that were confiscated were indeed melted down. So it's not Grant's fault for assuming Courtney was telling the truth about having the shotgun melted down as well.

Grant shouldn't be assuming anything when it comes to Courtney. Again why is he taking her words at face value? Seems pretty stupid on his part. Instead of saying Courtney claimed the guns were melted, but admit that there is no way to find out its true, he uses her comments as not only a fact but accuse the SPD of covering up something by melting down the gun. It is Grants fault. He even said he got it wrong in his statement about the gun release photos. Grant looks stupid.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

Grant shouldn't be assuming anything when it comes to Courtney. Again why is he taking her words at face value? Seems pretty stupid on his part. Instead of saying Courtney claimed the guns were melted, but admit that there is no way to find out its true, he uses her comments as not only a fact but accuse the SPD of covering up something by melting down the gun. It is Grants fault. He even said he got it wrong in his statement about the gun release photos. Grant looks stupid.

The guns were supposedly melted down in a charity event that Courtney held with Mother's Against Violence or some other group like that. Grant did not say that the SPD destroyed it.

There really is no reason why the SPD held on to the shotgun. This is highly unusual in cases ruled suicides.

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[–] ljshorts 9 years ago

Grant had no choice but to take her statement at face value, because the SPD weren't going to disclose the info at the time. It was protocol, not a dumb assumption.

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[–] cjchamp2001 9 years ago

Grant believes Courtney , when her words help his cause. The rest of the time she's just a liar.

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[–] moonfirez 9 years ago

Grant believes Courtney , when her words help his cause. The rest of the time she's just a liar.

Exactly. Just proves he has no credibility and his evidence is flimsy.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

Exactly. Just proves he has no credibility and his evidence is flimsy.

Courtney's lies have fooled you. So by your logic you have no credibility.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

Since there is no explanation as to why the SPD would have kept the gun if they actually thought it was a suicide and no explanation as to why they were now releasing the pictures, then the assumption is that it is an attempt to discredit Tom Grant, who has claimed that the shotgun was destroyed. However, Tom Grant only said that the gun was destroyed because Courtney Love herself said in media interviews that the shotgun was returned to her and that she had it destroyed. So keep an eye on this and see what happens.

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[–] cjchamp2001 9 years ago

Dude it's over. Tom Grant is a fraud that clearly made stuff up. This evidence should be embarrassing to you conspiracy loons. Try to spin this diarrhea all you want.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

Dude it's over. Tom Grant is a fraud that clearly made stuff up. This evidence should be embarrassing to you conspiracy loons. Try to spin this diarrhea all you want.

He didn't make anything up. Nor is he a fraud. The evidence is overwhelming that he did not kill himself. Do you not realize that the SPD claims that Kurt shot himself from a sitting up position. Do you understand how completely absurd that claim is? There's no way someone of his height could have shot himself from a sitting up position. He would have had to have been lying down already when he pulled the trigger. Absolutely nothing what the SPD claims about this case makes any sense.

The SPD now admits the heroin dose was lethal.
The spent shotgun shell found on the wrong side of the body.
No legible prints found on the shotgun, shells or the pen allegedly used to write the suicide note.
Credit card being used after the time of death
4 slashed tires on his car
The suicide note has many experts convinced that more than one hand was at work.

He would have been unconscious within seconds of injecting the heroin. There's no way he could have killed himself in the manner that SPD claims.

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[–] ljshorts 9 years ago

Lol. You are an idiot or a troll. Congratulations.

Grant had no choice but to accept Courtney's statement at the time, because there was nothing else he could investigate about the shotgun at the time, because the SPD was choosing not to disclose the actual information about the shotgun at the time.

That's how investigations work.

Bye.

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[–] fede_4488 9 years ago

Still doesn't explain why he chosed to believe that and not everything else she said that can't be backed up by anyone else.

Tom Grant fanboys need to admit he *beep* up.

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[–] ljshorts 9 years ago

No it's an attachment. Weird that they're not properly disclosing that...

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[–] NYultra 9 years ago

No I believe that's just the style of the barrel. Sly, can you expand on why this is major news?

I reserve the right to be wrong since I'm not a gun expert, but it sure looks some kind of choke or suppressor adapter screwed on the tip of the barrel. A person with gun knowledge can easily figure it out.

Some things are interesting about this:

First, it's an adapter that is separate from the gun that must have been bought separately, but the receipt just shows the gun and not the adapter.

It adds a good 5-6 inches to the length of the barrel, so that's pretty significant when determining if could have actually shot himself. Can it humanly be possible?

The SPD is unprofessional in releasing this photo, but in any event keeps the case in the headlines. Why now and what police department takes part in such antics? I don't know what they are thinking, but most likely it's their annual preemptive media show in advance of Kurt's death anniversary. Also, it looks like this SPD detective "Ciesnieski" is personalizing by posing with the gun this adding to more unprofessionalism by the SPD. This is far from over apparently.

Geberth believes that him contacting them in order to say that he is taking part in Soaked in Bleach prompted the "re-looking at." Something might be going on behind the scenes. I'm sure that Statler/Grant has something planned for next month.

About the gun (not) being melted down. It's a fact that Courtney had her attorneys try to get that gun melted down with the excuse for a gun violence cause. It's also a fact that they tried to get the SPD to hand over the entire case file to them and even asked the SPD to destroy it if they wouldn't hand it over. It's also a fact that she tore down the greenhouse.

So, with the knowledge if her and her attorney's trying to suppress/destroy evidence, it's not entirely implausible to believe that that the shotgun was melted down as the SPD never corrected the record. It appears that the SPD gave other guns owned by Kurt that were in custody and not the weapon at issue. They never corrected the record and probably think they are damaging the case, but quite obviously the opposite is happening.

So to call Grant a "fraud" or to say he loses credibility is just nonsense. This case has not been investigated thoroughly and it's a strange that the SPD never brought up that the weapon was still in evidence. Probably, more investigative carelessness by the SPD if anything.

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[–] polarispill 9 years ago

Take a look at the length of the shotgun. I don't know how anyone can believe someone who was 5'9 or 5'10 could have used that gun to kill themselves.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

It gets worse. The SPD claims that Kurt shot himself from a sitting up position. That's completely absurd. If anything he would have to have already been lying down in order to do it. Nothing the SPD claims about the case makes sense. He was definitely too small to be able to shoot himself from a sitting up position.

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[–] NYultra 9 years ago

They say if was 5'9, but I think that's being generous. Another thing to note: his feet were inches(?) from the cabinet so there was not much leeway to fully extend the shotgun from a sitting upright position. Also, his hand on the barrel was in the middle of his chest with the gun perfectly on it's butt where his feet are. Wouldn't the kick of the shot gun at least knock the gun over. Seem like it was placed on his body.

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[–] tps1400 9 years ago

I still haven't watched this documentary yet, but looking at the picture of the gun I am not sure why people say it was too long for him to pull the trigger? The distance from the trigger to the end of the barrel cannot be more than 70cm long. Even I can even make this distance between my mouth and my hand, and I am a short girl.

Just take a ruler and measure the distance between the trigger and the barrel in the photo. Then measure the distance between the policeman's mouth and his fingers. You will see that it is the same. And the policeman is not even stretching his arm or his head backwards.

As for the cabinet: I suspect that Kurt used it to stabilise the back end of the gun. This is why he was found so close to it. If another person wanted to kill him, they wouldn't place him so close to the cabinet as they wouldn't have enough space.

Sorry but to me the gun doesn't point to anything other than the obvious suicide.

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[–] ljshorts 9 years ago

Wow he was* much taller than I thought.

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[–] cjchamp2001 9 years ago

And this proves what?

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[–] fede_4488 9 years ago

The shotgun wasn't melted like everyone else said. Makes you wonder what other wrong "facts" are presented in this doc.

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[–] Sly_Vaping_Guy 9 years ago

The alleged destruction of the shotgun is and never was considered to be crucial to the case. Nice try. Troll elsewhere.

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[–] fede_4488 9 years ago

And who said it was, Tom?

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