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The show used to be great

posted 4 years ago by chefao (426)
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But now it feels like it's just a vehicle for whoever is writing it to send their PC message... Why must everything be about politics and diversity these days? Can there be a scene that is more than just an analogy to how "women are strong" and how "interracial couples are good" and all of that crap? Even the main plot is a simple 1:1 analogy to the war on terror and how bombing civilian targets creates more terrorists.

There were still some interesting scenes but the whole plot feels like it's just Naomi going to the lion's den and finding a way out. I felt like I was watching a soap opera sometimes. Sad to see good shows devolve into virtue signaling political crap.

[–] moviechatterer (15787) 4 years ago

"women are strong" and how "interracial couples are good" and all of that crap?"

I see from your low post count you'ere fairly new , but surely you noticed you're not the first "conservative" to express this sentiment? your not the second either
Theres a whole gang of rabid anti-woke patriots frothing at the mouth whenever they see a woman or a colored on the screen!
you're going to fit right in.
You might want to check out the "Terminator Dark fate" page , or the new woman "Equaliser" one to meet up with your homies and join the regressive caveman white entitled mysogeny bukkake

oh , the "Promising young woman" is a good one too
These guys get real riled up when rape victims fight back.

So far The Expanse" hasnt suffered from the "I hate women havimng roles on tv" brigade , so i guess you are first here .
Well done you .

[–] chefao (426) 4 years ago

I have been here from day 1 when imdb comments went down, thank you.

You assume and project a lot, not even worth addressing because you're clearly not replying to what I said but to what you imagine I think. I don't have problem with women or poc on the screen as long as it's done properly, which it almost never is these days. Watch for example the first Predator and how Arnold's and Dillon's handshake has survived as a meme to this very day and you will see an anti-racism message done properly if that's your thing. Because they were not trying or at least it doesn't look like it.

Writers are so worried about signaling that they're PC that they prioritize that over the plot. That was my critique, not whatever you are imagining.

[–] moviechatterer (15787) 4 years ago

If Arnold and Dillon did that in 2021
People would be all like "Oh they just had to put a black man in to fill the quota , its all PC , its FORCED , its agenda "

Also, Naiomi following her son around like an emotional woman , then getting captured , then getting marooned , and waiting for the big brave white man to come to her rescue isnt really showing a "strong independant woman" imo.

I agree there was too much naiomi in this series and all the bits she was in were boring , wasnt really worth watching after ep4

[–] Threadkiller (3080) 4 years ago

Sniveling cowards projecting their degenerate, white supremacist insecurities like the OP would be all like "Oh they just had to put a black man in to fill the quota , its all PC , its FORCED , its agenda "

Fixed

[–] Alex (1504) 4 years ago

Naomi's been pulling last second fixes and OP problem solving skills since Season 1 and she's been one of the LEADS too!
WTF are these retards coming in here complaining about her in Season 5?
Did their brain-washing started to wear off only now?
I am at a loss of words here.

[–] moviechatterer (15787) 4 years ago

as i noted in my initial reply
So far The Expanse" hasnt suffered from the "I hate women havimng roles on tv" brigade
I guess "The Expanse" has just been a bit too cerebral for the
"Sniveling cowards projecting their degenerate, white supremacist insecurities like the OP"
..until this guy turned up , claiming he's been here all along

[–] moviechatterer (15787) 4 years ago

"fixed"
much better, thanks 👍

[–] [email protected] (2017) 2 years ago

Aren't conservatives the republicans? From my understanding as a non American, white supremacists are the democrats no?

[–] moviechatterer (15787) 2 years ago

yes , conservatives and repuiblicans are the same thing,
as are the white supremacists - they are all "right wing"

Thats not to say all conservatives / republican's are white supremacists , that would be a little unfair , just a small minority , which appears to have an unusually large representation on this site's politics page

[–] [email protected] (2017) 2 years ago

A lot of conservatives had no issue with T1 and T2, the Alien franchise, Night of the Livinh Dead, etc. I think the problem is when it is forced rather than natural. The strong women and diversity isn't as bad here as it is in other woke shows, but the lgbtq+++ is very forced. It works for the drummer character but the female lgbtq pastor?

[–] Ziggy (1802) 4 years ago

I read the book this season is based on, and I have to say that reading about everything Naomi did was a lot more interesting that watching it. Amos and Clarissa's road to Baltimore and then to the island with the rich people was so much more involved than what was shown. Alex and Bobbi had more going on that just sitting in the Razorback.

I still loved Season 5, but I think it could have been better. I don't think they needed to spend quite as much time on Naomi, and I wish they had found ways to better explain to the audience what she was doing and how brilliant she really was. The show actually changes a few aspects of her story (in regards to Philip), and I think that actually made her seem weaker than in the book.

Again, I still really loved this season, but I didn't feel it was executed as well as it could have been. There's actually a ton of things going on behind the scenes that the audience as very little knowledge of. I'm hoping they are saving it for Season 6 in one of those ways that it all makes sense in the end.

For the record, it's not about "girl power" or "diversity." It's about people. If they happen to be women, fine. If they happen to be interracial, fine. If they happen to be gay, fine. If they happen to be polyamoris (is that the right word?), fine. It's just about people.

[–] Iffy762 (1334) 4 years ago

I think if we were watching the season all at once, then the uneven pacing would not stand out so much. Since it is broken up into weekly episodes, it stands out more that you watched two or three episodes where only one small element of the plot advanced, and the rest was (for example) following Amos and Clarissa all over the Northeast and watching Naomi do silent and mysterious things. With a more traditional style of tv show, each episode would be its own mini-story that has internal rewards and payoffs, but I think with The Expanse, each season is a whole unit and the individual episodes are more like parts of the whole.

I really like Naomi as a character; as I mentioned in another thread, The Expanse is one of the few current shows where I feel like the female characters are relatable to me as a woman. Naomi is very smart, but, her primary concerns are with her relationships: Holden and Philip, and the crew of the Rocinante. But, yeah, her arc this season was a bit dull, with seemingly a lot of it spent in the spaceship trying to do the mysterious thing. Also, although I liked that her history as a mother had always been playing into her choices (and the actress mentioned that she had been told early on that she had a son who would be relevant later, and so some of her acting was reflecting the character's awareness of that), Philip was introduced so late in the series that I can't really get invested in her relationship with him. He seems like a destined redshirt, IMHO.

[–] BourbonKing (5778) 4 years ago

Eh, this is a global story not a regional one about 'murican astronauts who chew tobacco in space. If you were okay with Season one being diverse and not so whitey-tighty I don't see how you could be so annoyed with the Naomi storyline.

[–] Erting (202) 4 years ago

I watched the first 5 seasons for the first time this past month. Speaking as someone who was frequently bored throughout the first season and found myself questioning all the acclaim this series got, I eventually got hooked within the first few episodes of season 2 and found the series to deliver an unprecedented streak of near perfection and greatness for 4 seasons in a row. I now seriously consider The Expanse to be one of my all-time favorite shows and in contention for the greatest televisions series I've ever seen.