And Now Conservatives...
And now days, it's the conservatives being blacklisted/blackballed in Hollywood.
So, I suppose the leftists won...
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=14158447
And now days, it's the conservatives being blacklisted/blackballed in Hollywood.
So, I suppose the leftists won...
Who are these conservatives that have been blacklisted? There have always been people in Hollywood who are conservative and very successful, and there always will be. Nobody cares about your politics or religion as long you aren't a jerk, an embarrassment, and/or a pain in the butt to work with because of it.
Just listing people who are alive and working now: Robert Downey Jr., Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Adam Sandler, Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jerry Bruckheimer, Vince Vaughn, Jessica Simpson, Mindy Kaling, John Milius, Kurt Russell, Tim Minear, Sylvester Stallone, and tens more. Do a Google search for "Hollywood conservatives" --you'll find them in every profession throughout the industry.
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Are you denying conservative actors and actresses aren't underground with their political beliefs in Hollywood? Dude. Come on.
shareAre you denying conservative actors and actresses aren't underground with their political beliefs in Hollywood? Dude. Come on.
I'm asking a question: Who are these conservatives being blacklisted? The world I live in is one where many of the biggest movie stars, directors, writers, singers, etc. right on down are conservative. So who are the ones being blacklisted?
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Dude, your list is a very small subset of the larger celebrity population and i would safely assume an almost exhaustive list of the entire conservative celebrity community.
If you don't see this, you are either a victim of the propaganda or a willing supporter.
If this was another religious, ethnic or political group, it might be more apparent how this is tokenism. I imagine you're quick to note how marginalized "actors of color" are--although they (more than likely) outnumber conservatives easily.
Also, many of the few celebrities you mentioned have woken up to conservatism after they became successful and their careers have either taken a nose-dive since or are too powerful to be shunned.
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=14158447
Dude, your list is a very small subset of the larger celebrity population and i would safely assume an almost exhaustive list of the entire conservative celebrity community.
If you don't see this, you are either a victim of the propaganda or a willing supporter.
If this was another religious, ethnic or political group, it might be more apparent how this is tokenism. I imagine you're quick to note how marginalized "actors of color" are--although they (more than likely) outnumber conservatives easily.
Also, many of the few celebrities you mentioned have woken up to conservatism after they became successful and their careers have either taken a nose-dive since or are too powerful to be shunned.
Here's what I know. If I want a list of liberals in Hollywood who were blacklisted, all I have to do is look at history to tell me. If I want a list of conservatives blacklisted by Hollywood though, I'm on my own.
If one side of the argument has extensive evidence and examples to back up its assertions, and the other side has NOTHING, that means the side with nothing lost the argument.
Conservatives aren't blacklisted in Hollywood as near as anyone can figure. Even Adam Baldwin has a busy career. Why? Because he limits his silliness to online --not on set.
Conservatives in Hollywood might feel more sensitive and butthurt about their views because the majority of those around them here don't share those views. That's perfectly understandable. But just say that, instead of manufacturing a fantasy of persecution.
EDIT TO ADD: I remember when Clint Eastwood spoke at Republican National Convention. All my friends and I (a mostly liberal bunch) love Clint Eastwood. We weren't upset that he spoke at the RNC, we were upset that he'd embarrassed himself. We'd have preferred Clint had read a prepared speech and made some good points in favor of Romney being elected rather than that.
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sorry, i stopped at ADAM BALDWIN. when was the last time you watched an ADAM BALDWIN film or TV show? i mean, in addition to not being liberal bigots, hollywood is notoriously against nepotism too...
Also, you mean the history written and perpetuated by the left? history is written by the victors, they say...
interesting edit... what's your point? i like tom cruise, doesn't bother me when he jumps on couches or practices scientology. also, i like "shawshank redemption", doesn't bother me that...
anyway, glad you (and your mostly liberal bunch of friends) are so unbiased about the marginalization of conservative voices in hollywood and your tolerance of the token conservatives...
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=14158447
sorry, i stopped at ADAM BALDWIN. when was the last time you watched an ADAM BALDWIN film or TV show? i mean, in addition to not being liberal bigots, hollywood is notoriously against nepotism too...
He's a regular on the TNT series, THE LAST SHIP which will be back with a third season later this year. Before that I watched him on CHUCK. Oh, and what family is he supposed to be related to? Not Adam Baldwin's if that's what you think.
Also, you mean the history written and perpetuated by the left? history is written by the victors, they say...
If that's the case, why we do we know the names of all the liberals who were blacklisted? Surely they weren't the winners WHILE they were being blacklisted too?
interesting edit... what's your point? i like tom cruise, doesn't bother me when he jumps on couches or practices scientology. also, i like "shawshank redemption", doesn't bother me that...
My point was to show that nobody cares about the politics of movie stars they like. Eastwood fans like myself were more upset that the great man embarrassed himself on the national stage than that he has politics we don't share. He's allowed to believe and vote as he sees fit, just as I am. That's what being an American citizen is all about.
anyway, glad you (and your mostly liberal bunch of friends) are so unbiased about the marginalization of conservative voices in hollywood and your tolerance of the token conservatives...
Robert Downey Jr. is not marginalized. He's one of the biggest movie stars on the planet. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is not marginalized. Clint Eastwood, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, and Bruce Willis have not had marginalized careers. Neither did:
Actors: Clark Gable, James Stewart, John Wayne, George Murphy, William Holden, Fred Astaire, Charles Coburn, Robert Mitchum, Robert Young, Lew Ayres, Don DeFore, Frank Sinatra, Bob Hope, Bing Crosby, Dick Powell, James Cagney, Robert Taylor, Desi Arnaz, John Barrymore, Lionel Barrymore, Ward Bond, Walter Brennan, Gary Cooper, Buddy Ebsen, Clint Eastwood, Glenn Ford, Charlton Heston, Chalres Bronson, Roy Rogers, Walter Pidgeon, Hugh Beaumont, Lew Ayres, Red Skelton, Alan Ladd, Nelson Eddy, Cary Grant, Robert Montgomery, Dana Andrews, Gene Autry, Dane Clark, Joseph Cotton, Troy Donahue, James Arness, Peter Graves, Paul Henried, Fred MacMurray, Dean Martin, Tony Martin, Joel McCrea, John Payne, Mickey Rooney, Robert Stack, Regis Toomey, Ernest Borgnine, Ronald Reagan, James Cagney, Pat Boone, Chuck Conners, Ricardo Montalban, Adolphe Menjou, Gary Cooper, Al Jolson, John Gavin, Donald O’Connor, Leon Ames, Charles Coburn, Rod La Rocque, Richard Dix, J. Carrol Naish, Bruce Cabot, Richard Arlen, Billy Benedict, Andy Devine, Huntz Hall, Sterling Holloway, Keye Luke, Guy Madison, Dennis Morgan, Aldo Ray, Johnny Weissmuller, George Brent, Pat O’Brien, Dickie Moore, Fernando Lamas, Robert Cummings, Jerry Lewis, Eddie Bracken, Barry Nelson, Franchot Tone, William Powell, Charles “Buddy Rogers”, Richard Barthelmess, George O’Brien, Conrad Nagel, Harold Lloyd, Buster Keaton, Milton Berle, Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., Cesar Romero, Lou Costello, Leslie Nielsen, Victor Jory, Walter Brennan, Lloyd Nolan, Pat Battrum, and Ray Milland.
Actresses: Laraine Day, Rosalind Russell, Doris Day, June Allyson, Joan Blondell, Barbara Stanwyck, Maureen O'Hara, Doris Day, Helen Hayes, Sylvia Sidney, Claudette Colbert, Irene Dunne, Shirley Temple, Elizabeth Taylor, Martha Raye, Paulette Goddard, Dorothy Lamour, Ginger Rogers, Jeanette MacDonald, Ethel Merman, Joan Fontaine, Edie Adams, Jayne Meadows, Audrey Meadows, Mary Wickes, Marie Windsor, Loretta Young, Una Merkel, Dorothy Lamour, Dorothy Malone, Anita Louise, Norma Shearer, Janet Blair, Dina Merrill, Betty Hutton, Gene Tierney, Elizabeth Taylor, Vivien Leigh, Gale Storm, Fay Wray, Ann Sothern, Jane Russell, Dale Evans, Jane Powell, Ella Raines, Patricia Medina, Lillian Gish, Dorothy Gish, Helen Hayes, Coleen Gray, Eva Gabor, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Rhonda Fleming, Jeanne Crain, Arlene Dahl, Ann Blyth, Maureen O’Hara, Cheryl Walker, Margaret Early, Eve Arden, Cyd Charrisse, June Haver, Dinah Shore, Corinne Griffith, Virginia Mayo, Janet Gaynor, Eleanor Powell, Eleanor Parker, Dona Drake, Shirley Temple, Leslie Brooks, Frances Dee, Ann Miller, Marilyn Maxwell, Anne Francis, Kathryn Grayson, Ruth Hussey, Virginia Bruce, June Allyson, Agnes Moorehead, Mary Pickford, Clara Bow, Margaret Hamilton, Donna Reed, Gloria Swanson, Coleen Gray, and Gloria DeHaven.
Those are some of the biggest names in the history of Hollywood. If you're remotely film literate, you'll recognize some of the names on there.
Now, which conservatives have been blacklisted? Because like the man said, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
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"Those are some of the biggest names in the history of Hollywood. If you're remotely film literate, you'll recognize some of the names on there."
actually, i'd consider myself very "film literate"; so, i was a little surprised to not recongnize many of the names. however, the first 4 i randomly right-clicked and searched with goolge showed those names to be of dead people who must have been stars in the black and white eras of hollywood. not exactly hurting my argument. i mean, you have to reach back to stars of the decades long past to find large quantities of a-list stars that you claim to have been conservative.
i also noticed you threw in ronald reagan, who was a liberal during his acting career.
AS FOR ADAM BALDWIN, who i am now assuming is not related to the baldwin brothers (from your snide and confusing remark). first, chuck (although i liked it) was not exactly a success. second, who the f* watches TNT?
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=14158447
Most of those celebrities may have been republicans but not necessarily conservatives. The GOP had plenty of liberals until the Civil Rights act was signed in the mid 1960's. You're confusing party affiliation with political beliefs. Eisenhower was more liberal than Obama.
shareAre you denying conservative actors and actresses aren't underground with their political beliefs in Hollywood?
Why would they be? You were just given a list of conservatives in Hollywood who are successful and do not hide their views. And there are many others.
Kelsey Grammer, Jon Voight and Tim Allen for example are all very open about their conservative views. Craig T Nelson is as well. Tom Selleck is a big NRA supporter.
The views of none of these people have hurt their careers.
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Wow, those are some real "Hollywood-winners" you just mentioned.
Dude, I venture to say that they HAD careers (is tim allen's current sitcom on broadcast television or just hallmark?) IN SPITE of their beliefs.
I'd also venture to say that "conservative celebrities" make up somewhere around 5% of the celebrity population. I ADMIT TO HAVING NO QUANTITATIVE SUPPORT FOR THAT STATEMENT. But, I think it's probably a pretty good guestimate.
http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=14158447
Wow, those are some real "Hollywood-winners" you just mentioned.
What's wrong with the careers of the people I mentioned? Not successful enough for you? What about Bruce Willis? Arnold Schwarzenegger? I could keep going. The point is being a conservative in Hollywood is not an issue. They were never blacklisted like Dalton Trumbo was.
I'd also venture to say that "conservative celebrities" make up somewhere around 5% of the celebrity population.
Well as you said that number is a complete guess and I would say it is significantly higher then that. But the point is not the numbers. I am sure there are more liberals than conservatives in Hollywood. But studios care about making money and they will hire the people they think help them do that, regardless of political opinions. share
Swidjen is right.
The problem is that Conservatives in Hollywood, or the industry,
whatever you want to call it are selling their usually crappy
product to people in the lower classes mostly, especially TV.
They take on a Liberal stance because if they were really to
say what they think people would know what selfish arrogant
schmucks they are. Stupid and unthinking greedy SOBs that
have ruined movies and TV for the most part.
I would never blacklist anyone, but I also would never spend
my money on a product made backed by Conservatism as is
my right. I also see the way these people are.
Liberal are mostly find with Conservatives having their shows and
making their movies or getting jobs and working, but Conservatives
always have to be at some kind of self-righteous war, it is their
entitlement because they have more money and so work themselves
up into thinking they are better smarter people.
They pay their lackies to go around and search out and attack
any discussion they think has a few buzzwords that indicate it is
Liberal or socialist. Liberals don't do that. Conservatives seem to
control speech, to hide facts from peolpe, and attack them rather
than work to consensus. You can see it a million times a day on
any big blog like Yahoo or Google.
They have to have money, lobbyists or censorship and lies to
futher their views. This is a perfect example of what conservatives
do ... look at at insulting arrogant snide comments they make.
The more honest ones, go look at Breitbart.Com say they intend
to actually use violence to kill liberals. They don't see to understand
anything about America or why we fought the second world war.
Conservatives are ashamed of themselves and sick people who
aim to get power over people based on lies.
you dude come on . I haer them expressing their rightist views all the freakin time. Open you eyes
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Robert Downey Jr., Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Adam Sandler, Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jerry Bruckheimer, Vince Vaughn, Jessica Simpson, Mindy Kaling, John Milius,
....what in the absolute heck? RDJ a conservative? He is in pro-Hillary campaign ads.
The Rock has never made any kind of political statements or views known. If anything he stars in HBO and Disney shows, which are liberal controlled.
All the others you mentioned are either A) completely insignificant or B) only conservative when it comes to limited government or other less controversial issues. Not when it comes to social issues.
But yes, the OP is right, that when it comes to social conservatives - and I am not one of them - but there is a definite blacklist. Ironically, a capitalist-inspired blacklist - as it it doesn't appear as obvious and as clear as the old blacklist, but is extremely powerful nonetheless.
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....what in the absolute heck? RDJ a conservative? He is in pro-Hillary campaign ads.
I think the election will show a huge percentage of Republicans will be voting for Hillary this year. The choice between her and giving the nuclear football to an think skinned narcissist in constant need of validation is a no brainer for a lot of people.
People who think will always make different decisions when the parameters of what's at stake change. For example, I would never vote for Ted Cruz for President --unless the choice were between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. Then I'd vote for Cruz in a heartbeat. Why? Because as bad as I think a Ted Cruz presidency would be, I don't think he'd get us into a nuclear war. Also, he's used to people not liking him and has built up a tough skin about it.
Anyway, Robert Downey Jr. is a Republican:
http://heatst.com/entertainment/robert-downey-jr-the-closet-conservative/
http://www.stereogum.com/1780727/robert_downey_jrs_conservative/vg-loc/videogum/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-conservative-robert-downey-jr/
The Rock has never made any kind of political statements or views known. If anything he stars in HBO and Disney shows, which are liberal controlled.
So is Dwayne Johnson:
http://www.gq.com/story/the-rock-republican-president
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/19/the_rock_at_the_2000_republican_national_convention.html
http://hollowverse.com/dwayne-johnson/
All the others you mentioned are either A) completely insignificant or B) only conservative when it comes to limited government or other less controversial issues. Not when it comes to social issues.
But yes, the OP is right, that when it comes to social conservatives - and I am not one of them - but there is a definite blacklist. Ironically, a capitalist-inspired blacklist - as it it doesn't appear as obvious and as clear as the old blacklist, but is extremely powerful nonetheless.
Okay. So who are these blacklisted Republicans then? It's all fine and good to level vague accusations, but eventually you have move beyond them and list specific names.
As I've pointed out before, most liberals generally don't care what somebody's politics are --UNLESS YOU'RE DISCUSSING POLITICS. Otherwise, who cares? It's a free country. Robert Downey Jr., Bruce Willis, Dwayne Johnson, John Wayne, and Clint Eastwood are all entitled to believe what they like --and I'm entitled to think they're completely wrong. That's the way democracy works.
I find liberals are more able to make this distinction than conservatives are. For example, if Tom Hanks does an interview and his political leanings come up --many conservatives will write in the comments that he should just shut up about politics, even though the interview is meant to convey some information about the man and politics is fairly important. Somehow they feel imposed upon because they had to read about a famous person who disagrees with them.
Liberals on the other hand, read an interview with Robert Downey Jr., know he doesn't share their views, and move on with the rest of their day --all the while looking forward to the next Robert Downey Jr. movie. His political views in the article give a better insight into who he is, but nobody's worried that someone's trying to force them to think something against their will.
I'm not about to give up watching RIO BRAVO or DIRTY HARRY or RDJ's SHERLOCK HOLMES and IRON MAN movies, or avoid seeing Dwayne Johnson as DOC SAVAGE (if that ever gets made) just because I wouldn't agree with their politics if I met them. I'm probably never going to meet them. We probably don't agree on a lot of things: books, music, where to eat, religion, and so on.
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Lol, none of your links give any clarity as to the positions of these actors. Appearances with a Republican candidate here and there mean nothing - the Clintons attended Trump's wedding too you know, and were his buddies for a while.
Absolutely none of these actors have made any kind of social conservative statements. Imagine if RDJ or the Rock appeared in an a pro-traditional marriage or anti-abortion ad or something, like so many of the their peers do in opposite-side messages. Just imagine that for one second. Forget about their Hollywood careers being over, they would face death threats.
And your "conservative" Clint Eastwood is a pro-LGBT agnostic. Not liking Obama and the Dem platform does not make one automatically a conservative.
I have no information on Bruce Willis, but if you can show proof for social conservatism on controversial issues, feel free to give it.
John Wayne has been dead for many decades....we are talking about today.
The point of a blacklist is that even if those above-mentioned actors somehow were indeed social conservatives, they wouldn't be able to publicly express their position in this day and age, for fear of career suicide.
As for openly socially conservative actors that get treated like a complete joke by Hollywood - not that I'm a fan of them, but look at Kirk Cameron and Kevin Sorbo. Do you really think RDJ, if he is a social con, wants to end up like them?
And here is one by Jim Caviezel - played Jesus in the Passion of the Christ, which I suppose for many automatically makes him a con - about his experiences with the "tolerant" Hollywood: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/may/03/jim-caviezel-passion-of-the-christ
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Appearances with a Republican candidate here and there mean nothing - the Clintons attended Trump's wedding too you know, and were his buddies for a while.
Lol, that's because Trump isn't a true Republican or conservative in the least bit. If he thought he could win as a Democrat he'd be a Democrat.
And your "conservative" Clint Eastwood is a pro-LGBT agnostic. Not liking Obama and the Dem platform does not make one automatically a conservative.
So, wait, what you want is an outspoken ultra conservative actor/performer who is also very high profile? Exactly how many outspoken ultra liberal entertainers who check all the liberal boxes AND are also very successful are there?
Google the top highest paid actors of the last few years and none of them are deeply political one way or another. Robert Downey Jr might be for Hillary but he's not doing anything to effect climate change, or gay rights, or the BLM movement, or womens reproductive rights, or reversing Citizens United, etc and that goes double for every other perceived "successful" liberal.
If any entertainer speaks out too much one way or the other they risk alienating consumers who might buy their product. Some of these people might pick a specific cause and fight for it, but NO ONE checks all the boxes.
But why are we even talking about this? The OP was whining about blacklisted conservatives and there are none. Dwayne Johnson is openly conservative and is the highest paid actor of 2016. Being a conservative doesn't hurt your career, being a bad performer does. The OP just wants to play the victim because he things he's a beautiful and unique snowflake.
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So, wait, what you want is an outspoken ultra conservative actor/performer who is also very high profile? Exactly how many outspoken ultra liberal entertainers who check all the liberal boxes AND are also very successful are there?
Google the top highest paid actors of the last few years and none of them are deeply political one way or another. Robert Downey Jr might be for Hillary but he's not doing anything to effect climate change, or gay rights, or the BLM movement, or womens reproductive rights, or reversing Citizens United, etc and that goes double for every other perceived "successful" liberal.
If any entertainer speaks out too much one way or the other they risk alienating consumers who might buy their product. Some of these people might pick a specific cause and fight for it, but NO ONE checks all the boxes.
But why are we even talking about this? The OP was whining about blacklisted conservatives and there are none. Dwayne Johnson is openly conservative and is the highest paid actor of 2016. Being a conservative doesn't hurt your career, being a bad performer does. The OP just wants to play the victim because he things he's a beautiful and unique snowflake.
Who the heck said "ultra" conservative? I said express any kind of traditional conservative positions. I hope you are kidding about your question, there are literally hundreds upon hundreds of Hollywood celebs who constantly talk about pro-abortion views, pro-gay marriage, etc. The list is endless really.
Can you name anyone on the conservative side, is the specific question? "Not doing anything" does not make one conservative, that's absurd. I'm waiting to see actual proof that RDJ is a conservative.
You have also named Dwayne Johnson. "Openly conservative." I await evidence for what he has said about gay marriage, abortion, transgender issues etc - the controversial stuff that liberals are complete free to be open about and campaign and petition in Hollywood. I would be the first person to admit if I am wrong, but my sense is you won't find anything at all the back your position on DJ. I would know because I follow his career closely.
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