So is this a pro-communist movie?
Thoughts
sharea) What, exactly, is a pro-communist movie?
b) How could any film out of Hollywood, or indeed America, ever be pro-communist?
c) Why do you care whether it is "pro-communist"? Do you think communism is infectious?
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a.) Really? Well a pro-communist movie is a movie that sheds a positive light on communism.
b.) Really????Because it was created that way.
c.) I care because Socalism and Marxism have taken root in the American culture and society under Emperor Obama, and once those two things are implimented their big brother Communism tends to follow suit.
I suspect that this is an anti-fascist movie that sheds light upon that time in history when dangerous opponents of free speech held sway. Reading the many comments on this board, I see that America still has many brainwashed idiots who support a totalitarian ultra-right ideology.
shareAnd how does a movie specifically about blackballing communists, or suspected communists, shed a positive light on communism, Billy? Given that absolutely zero communism is actually on display in this movie, or any other movie about the Hollywood blacklist, how can it show communism in any light at all - negative or positive?
As for Hollywood being created communist I can only say - on what planet? Hollywood has never even been a co-operative (with the possible exception of the studio started by Charlie Chaplin), never mind anything approaching communist. You do know what communism means, don't you? Because you don't seem to. It is a very specific political system based on wealth sharing. Name me one single, solitary Hollywood studio that has ever, at any time in its history shared wealth. Unless, of course, you consider capitalism to be a form of communism?
Lastly, no matter what you think about Obama, he has no influence on the huge media conglomerates that are Hollywood studios. The idea that Marxism gets anywhere near their shiny gold-plated doors is so risible that your belief virtually constitutes a mental illness. Or wilful ignorance. I'll leave you to decide which.
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"Lastly, no matter what you think about Obama, he has no influence on the huge media conglomerates that are Hollywood studios. The idea that Marxism gets anywhere near their shiny gold-plated doors is so risible that your belief virtually constitutes a mental illness."
Can't. Stop.............Laughing.
Obama doesn't have any influence on the media Chancery_stone????!!!!
Clearly you have been living off-planet for the last 7 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYffLk1wURw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB_d72pbBBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFFNyxbm5s
Emperor Obama is their savior....their Messiah....because none of them believe in a real God.
Are you serious? You send three Youtube videos made by people with a political axe to grind, showing talking heads, and only talking heads, airing their opinions, and this is some kind of proof of... what, exactly? That there are people who spend all day combing TV stations looking for talking heads to back up their conspiracy theories?
If you want to show me some evidence of giant Hollywood conglomerates backing Obama then show me some substantiated figures of money changing hands. Show me Warner Brothers, Rupert Murdoch, or any large Hollywood firm paying into Obama's campaign funds and then I'll believe that there might be some possibility of influence. But bear in mind, that even if they are paying for him to dance, that would be what he would be doing, not the other way round, so him having no influence on Hollywood media would still stand.
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That Obama is corrupted should be quite certain, there has been strong signs that informal interest groups allready use the all-encompassing surveillance networks to blackmail key figures and smear demostratory leaders etc.
They both come from the same informal interest group and even if Obama clearly is the lesser evil USA needs someone like bernie Sanders elected (which will be hard as elections are being influenced - you can easily find information about this around the web with key numbers and powerful whistleblowers, i'm not going to educate you on this if that is something you lack insight into as it is easy to do by yourself).
*NOTE - correct the adress.
http:// web.archive [gro.] /web/20140217190314/http://justsecurity [gro.] /2013/11/29/nsa-sexint-abuse-youve-waiting
[EDIT] Removed a space that somehow found it's way into the adress and made it invalid.
Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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Shide, that address doesn't go anywhere, nor have you explained its relevance or why you have included it. And you still haven't explained what "intellectual dishonesty" you were talking about. Nor does "strong signs that informal interest groups allready use the all-encompassing surveillance networks" mean anything. "Strong signs" are not facts; they're not even conjecture, just gossip of the most unreliable sort. We want facts please.
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*NOTE - correct the adress.
http:// web.archive [gro.] /web/20140217190314/http://justsecurity [gro.] /2013/11/29/nsa-sexint-abuse-youve-waiting
[EDIT] Removed a space that somehow found it's way into the adress and made it invalid.
Nor does "strong signs that informal interest groups allready use the all-encompassing surveillance networks" mean anything.
AWW That was an enjoyable time reading through these genuinely hilarious and farcical posts, got nostalgic the old times on this site. LOLtrying to incite a reaction while at the same time putting her or himself above others (trolling, the sign of him making an ironical joke to create a divide between himself and the time he had on the forum by insulting those still here, it's not for the audience of the forum that he spews that onto but himself to reassure he made the right decision in using it less often/leaving it - thus the intellectual dishonesty remark) - a person with the intelligence to distance her himself should have no problem understanding that reasoning even if it's not spelled out for them.
"Strong signs" are not facts; they're not even conjecture, just gossip of the most unreliable sort. We want facts please.
We want facts please.
Shide, I can say in all honesty I have never, ever seen such a long post about absolutely nothing. Do you actually have any point at all to make or do you just delight in doing long, rambling, semi-literate posts as a form of trolling? If so, you are a maestro at it. You manage to combine being unintelligible with being offensive, while remaining mind-numbingly boring. That's no mean feat.
Next time you have what you think is a thought - please don't share it.
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Reflection, rhetorically attacking me (for trolling) for what I'm pointing out that you could be (an astroturfer) is a bad path to take logically, feel free to actually care enough for yourself to read up on these subjects before you go on your next fishing expidition (why is is bad? it exposes that you do not have any ground to stand on, just like Ad Hominem or ad absurdum does, the latter to be awaited in your next post).
Anyone who takes the time to read this can see that i both stick to the points discussed with a legitimate rationale and supply plenty (in the context of this discussion) evidence to someone not being easy to deal with.
Your game is to get me to spend as much time as possible debating while you spend none, you do realise it's not for your sake I'm still speaking to you right? Some people are bad but the majority is morally good - those are the ones i turn to.
You claimed i supplied a broken/not working link (before that you asked me for any signs that would point to informal interest groups working behind the scenes - i did, i also supplied instances where leaks have clearly showed another story than the mainstream narrative), which it was - that means you are now lying when you claim that it's a post about nothing.
I even pointed out how you couldn't even follow a simple direction to be able to read the link I had supplied (that came with a note to fix the link before using it, something common to avoid bots etc). When this was not enough i afterwards put down an EDIT to it in a none defamatory way:
[EDIT] Removed a space that somehow found it's way into the adress and made it invalid.
You do realise this is mostly a reworked series that is turned into a movie right?
So before you go on your next rampage, don't.
Next time you have what you think is a thought - please don't share it.
Shide, I have very good tolerance for the idiocies in people's arguments. I don't know if it is a good thing or not, but I will debate with anyone, no matter how ludicrous or badly informed or even downright ignorant they may be. What I do no longer have good tolerance for is people wittering on. And you, my friend, are wittering on. I'd like to think you are doing it as some form of trolling, because that would give you possibly the finest panache of anyone I have ever seen pulling off a fake persona to annoy people. But I regret in your case it just is not so; you really are floundering around with no clear idea of what you are trying to say.
You have not, as yet, said anything. You have made a lot of noise and given yourself a lot of work, but you are saying nothing. Why?
Forget everything that has gone before. Tell me, in one sentence, what it is you would like to observe about this discussion. One sentence, and only one, so make it a good one please.
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Shide, I have very good tolerance for the idiocies in people's arguments. I don't know if it is a good thing or not, but I will debate with anyone, no matter how ludicrous or badly informed or even downright ignorant they may be. What I do no longer have good tolerance for is people wittering on. And you, my friend, are wittering on. I'd like to think you are doing it as some form of trolling, because that would give you possibly the finest panache of anyone I have ever seen pulling off a fake persona to annoy people. But I regret in your case it just is not so; you really are floundering around with no clear idea of what you are trying to say.
You have not, as yet, said anything. You have made a lot of noise and given yourself a lot of work, but you are saying nothing. Why?
Forget everything that has gone before. Tell me, in one sentence, what it is you would like to observe about this discussion. One sentence, and only one, so make it a good one please.
AWW That was an enjoyable time reading through these genuinely hilarious and farcical posts, got nostalgic the old times on this site. LOL
Ahh, there is nothing like the smell of intellectual dishonesty on a forum.
Do you appreciate that pretty much every major war of the last 100 years was entered into while the Democrats were in power?
What intellectual dishonesty do you have in mind, Shide?
If you want to show me some evidence of giant Hollywood conglomerates backing Obama then show me some substantiated figures of money changing hands. Show me Warner Brothers, Rupert Murdoch, or any large Hollywood firm paying into Obama's campaign funds and then I'll believe that there might be some possibility of influence. But bear in mind, that even if they are paying for him to dance, that would be what he would be doing, not the other way round, so him having no influence on Hollywood media would still stand.
*NOTE - correct the adress.to an article that supports my claim and make a reference to previous whistleblowers.
http:// web.archive [gro.] /web/20140217190314/http://justsecurity [gro.] /2013/11/29/nsa-sexint-abuse-youve-waiting
Shide, that address doesn't go anywhere, nor have you explained its relevance or why you have included it. And you still haven't explained what "intellectual dishonesty" you were talking about. Nor does "strong signs that informal interest groups allready use the all-encompassing surveillance networks" mean anything. "Strong signs" are not facts; they're not even conjecture, just gossip of the most unreliable sort. We want facts please.
"Strong signs" are not facts; they're not even conjecture, just gossip of the most unreliable sort. We want facts please.gossip of the most unreliable sort, to make a claim like that to someone when an example source has been given (that you do not care enough to look twice at) is insulting. At most a normal person would call it speculative or hearsay/word of mouth, gossip implies a source without anything to substantiate it with - anyone who has followed the global news the last decade should be able to attest that the narrative presented is not always true.
Shide, I can say in all honesty I have never, ever seen such a long post about absolutely nothing. Do you actually have any point at all to make or do you just delight in doing long, rambling, semi-literate posts as a form of trolling? If so, you are a maestro at it. You manage to combine being unintelligible with being offensive, while remaining mind-numbingly boring. That's no mean feat.
Next time you have what you think is a thought - please don't share it.
By that the support for you being an astroturfer or a troll grew (read further down) and personally attack me instead of actually focusing on the points made.
It's always good to know you have a real "fan", someone that most likely have been reading my history to find cracks.
I'll quote a former exchange on another IMDb forum http://imgur.com/sSHkvBX. The link is to an exchange i had with another person when antoher account (cinesimonj http://www.imdb.com/user/ur22825125/) interjects agressively having gotten a fact wrong before doing so, i point the error out and make this comment: 'You do realise this is mostly a reworked series that is turned into a movie right?
So before you go on your next rampage, don't.'
Compared that to this, that Chancery posted:
'Next time you have what you think is a thought - please don't share it.'
Yep, Jack, you can't beat institutionalised paranoia to make an electorate stupid. Sadly, governments know it and breed it any way they can, as does the media, who just love them some good old knee-jerk jingoistic scare stories. Nothing sells like unthinking idiocy.
jacksflicks (Mon Nov 2 2015 18:51:56)
Re Shide, two words: Travis Bickle
Nothing sells like unthinking idiocy.
That's not one sentence.
If you'd like to discuss this movie, or the concept of whether it's pro-communist or not, feel free to drop me a line. Otherwise, life's too short.
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You don't want to answer points with points and then want to dictate how and on what terms your opposition argue. Then limit that to one sentence, yeah that sounds reasonable.
When I've taken the time to *beep* write the post you can take the time to reply to it, seing as the posts you've written hardly amount to any time at all just by the sheer amount of text.
Well I'll give you that atleast you read the ending where i specifically state:
I've yet to make one comment on the actual movie, that fact hasn't even been commented on, I came into this forum to look up if it was a movie I might want to watch. Reading some to me blatantly strange concepts and commented, ending up staying for a bit because of insults. People who come into an arguement without an open mind but one set in stone are sad, even if they troll, aggregate posts or turf.
If you'd like to discuss this movie, or the concept of whether it's pro-communist or not, feel free to drop me a line. Otherwise, life's too short.
I can only repeat, if you want to discuss the actual movie, feel free to let me know.
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Great.
Well atleast this was not a full case of blowing time as people will be able to read the posts, too see what you posted and what I posted.
I do believe you are an astroturfer, troll or something thereof (which i state earlier in this convo.) This "total silence" you now do is either down to you being happy with what has been produced so far (me wasting my time on you, from your perspective) or you noticing you've made a misstake or two.
To anyone at all reading all this, keep up the work of spreading light on information and making humanity more efficient by doing so in opposite to those who spread darkness (whomever or wherever that may be).
Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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I'm sorry, but you appear to have hit the 'report abuse' button. I don't believe in censorship, or any attempt at it, especially an underhand one, so I am afraid I am not prepared to engage with you any longer.
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I reported you for being an astroturfer/troll on decently good grounds (i refered to the long post explaining our exchange and previous posts) as previously stated. I stand for that, as I also stand for the right to put forth information (free speech) - which is the whole purpose I argue against you when you try to spread missinformation about the complexities of global politics without anything backing it up. Free speech is impaired but not broken if astroturfers who get payed to spread missinformation get to roam freely.
I also now know that you have some sort of association with an admin/mod or are admin/mod yourself, or else you would not know who reported you (you can pull the I guessed card) but I'm not going to believe that. That is because after last post I did take the time to view your recent posting history, as you did to mine at the getgo, in one thread you try to incite a flamewar regarding race, that is more likely to attract reports than anything else.
To me it was obvious you were trying to waste my time (which I previously wrote), which would incline trolling. Seing as you denied obvious things that most people with an online presence would know of, that spoke for having an actual agenda of some unknown sort.
Regarding the report: "Normal" users do not get that information (so that also speaks for my point and partly reassures me i did do the correct thing) seing as you were contacted I do doubt that IMDb bothered to check IP logs for your activity to see if the IP has changed in the recent years or where it originates (to see if the account you are on has been overtaken). Admin/mods giving you notice of that other user(s) have reacted towards something you've done and it's time to dial it down a notch strongly do suggest something is up with the account you are on.
Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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I enjoy it very much, thank you!
shareThis is a movie about America not communism.
shareHow about a pro-freedom of speech movie?
Working in the movie business since -92
I am most definitely denying the 'truth' in those videos since they are merely opinion pieces and contain nothing factual. It is very easy to find actual truth, Billy, all you have to do is track down some big Hollywood companies funding Obama and you've won. Should be a piece of cake - according to you.
And thank you for crediting me with the creation of socialism and Marxism. I think you'll find that Karl Marx actually did that, but I realise you're not good with facts, so I'll cut you some slack and let you get back to compiling dossiers on huge capitalist corporations who fund socialism. Makes a lot of sense, that - as long as you are wearing a tinfoil hat.
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What distinguishes these types is their perfect storm of stupidity, paranoia and malice. I know it's unfashionable to make the comparison, but it is the truth, that they would have been quite at home in 1930s Germany.
It never changes. This pathology has existed throughout time, from Sulla's mobs, to the 30 Years War, to the Paris Terror, to the Tai Ping Rebellion, to Krystalnacht, to McCarthy, to Obama coming to take away our guns (good idea) using FEMA to occupy Texas (better idea).
Stupidity is as American as gun love.
Yep, Jack, you can't beat institutionalised paranoia to make an electorate stupid. Sadly, governments know it and breed it any way they can, as does the media, who just love them some good old knee-jerk jingoistic scare stories. Nothing sells like unthinking idiocy.
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So, the OP is a troll, most likely. He must have known that a "question" like this would bring them swarming out of the woodwork.
shareNot sure...
On the whole, trolls don't ask for "thoughts"; they tend to make (inflammatory) statements. That said, it's hard to believe anyone could mistake a film about black-listing for one about communism. But that said, Americans are raised institutionally to fear communism more than AIDS or the apocalypse, and it's been my experience that many of them don't know or realise that communism is just a form of government, not Satan here on earth, so possibly it's a genuine question. If so, the OP does need to read more rather than watch movies.
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Ah, you have an overly dramatic idea of communists, Bilwick. I'm afraid, in reality, most of them are rather jocular, or terribly earnest, corduroy and tweed chaps who can talk endlessly about economics. They were the kids that other people beat up, not vice versa. Liberals are just the same but with more money.
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I was talking about the Communists who actually flexed muscle: stalin, Mao, Ho, Fidel, Che, etc. And by "flex muscle," I mean of course "kill people."
shareYep, but add them up and you've only got five people, and two of them are not true dictators. That leaves you with three scary communists. I think capitalism can beat that - probably in Enron alone.
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Why, will you fall down on the floor with foam coming out of your mouth if it is?
shareHollywood is indeed pro-communist nowadays. Oh, how the times have changed and not for the better.
shareModern Hollywood (1960's-Present) is better than Golden Age Hollywood (1930's-1950's).
Go on. Call me a Communist for saying that. I double dog dare you to.
For your dineing and dancing pleasure:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/05/how-bryan-cranston-s-trumbo-whitewashes-stalinism.html
Sorry: forgot to make the link "clicky."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/05/how-bryan-cranston-s-trumbo-whitewashes-stalinism.html
Modern Hollywood SUCKS compared to the Hollywood of 1932-1950. Most American films of that period were quite corny, but every once in a while some great masterpieces were made. ENGLAND 1960'S-PRESENT was far better!
shareare you kiddin? most movies today are extremely violent, sexually and verbally explicit, oversexed teen (comedies), low brow, low class.but COMMUNIST? they are too APOLITICAL!
shareare you kiddin? most movies today are extremely violent, sexually and verbally explicit, oversexed teen (comedies), low brow, low class.but COMMUNIST?NO! if anything, they are too APOLITICAL!
shareYa think??????????
shareThe movie should at least be valuable as an object lesson about how people in the arts are such brain-dead Eloi when it comes to statism--and how often the more extreme the version of statism, the more they lap it up. Most of my life, being an artsy type myself, I've been around artsy people (writers, actors, painters, etc.), and while they all think of themselves as "free spirits," when it comes to politics they're lockstep brainwashed State cultists. I'm usually the only truly and consistently pro-freedom person in any gathering. Why that should be has always puzzled me. One might say it's because people in the arts--except for the one in a thousand who are financially successful--are always on their knees begging Big Brother for a grant of some kind. But even after the financially successful ones will, in any political contest, always support the more statist of the two candidates. The Hollywood Ten weren't exactly the Starving Masses.
@Bilwick1
You should really read up on differnt types of Nation States.
A working Nation State ensures democracy (and even though they get fewer and fewer through the world domination and normative power overtake, they're still out there), working democracy is freedom for all people. Being free from the state (as I believe i can paraphrase you) means in the current context all aspects of your life being dictated by plutocrats (may they use fear, religion, brute force or money to do so), that is not freedom.
The reason USA isn't as free as it should today is not because of the state but those who corrupt it, the removal of transparency and (thereby) also accountability (both passively and actively), which means the state doesn't answer to the public.
The first step towards a real democracy again is removing the electronic voting machines and having votes being counted and kept regionally (relatively) transparantly.
The problem with killing the only functioning way to work together ("freedom" as you put it) in a democratic nation state is that all people do not start life in an equal context with equal access to means to create opportunity and thereby wealth.
-If all children were raised by a mechanism instituted and all wealth accumulated during life was redistributed after an invidiual died - then you could achieve real freedom in a plutocratic society. However you would never be able to achieve that by just removing the old state as the power-elite would instantly corrupt the system.
If you have a system that brings freedom to all (that is not Nation State democracy) feel free to share it here or link to some forum where you do.
If you think a conservative republic equals freedom; /sigh.
Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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No, it's a mockery of the US during that time period. It was a witch hunt lead by Senator McCarthy. Communism was no more a threat to the country than Godzilla. It was just a way to bring down people you didn't like and scare the public to side with the president to go to wars we had no right to go into to. It was a circus of a time period and an embarrassment.
share+1.
Divide and conquer, ruling by fear (the easy option that does not require skill or refinement in management but brute dumb force).
Ignorance is only a bliss if you haven't reached awareness.
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