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Thing to understand is that Amy's character is supposed to be unlikable.


Just like Billy Bob's character in Bad Santa was supposed to be unlikable.

I see a lot of people complaining about how awful Amy's character is and I think they missed the point that it's intentional.

The only problem with these movies is when they don't redeem the unlikable protagonist's bad qualities with sufficient redeeming qualities.

Then you end up with a movie with a protagonist who has no redemption in the eyes of the viewer. I think that's the what's happening in this movie and it tests our patience.

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To me, it's a case of Schumer (who wrote it as well, remember) having her cake and eating it too. It's all very well to say "Oh yeah, but I'm meant to be unlikeable in it", but really you're clearly supposed to be rooting for her, and more often than not she's the one you're meant to side with. Especially in the first act or two, there's this attitude of "I'm so brilliant and everyone else is so stupid", and whenever the shoe's on the other foot, it's only for the sake of a few bland Gervais-esque awkward racist jokes. The fact that she's basically meant to be playing herself, unlike BBT's Bad Santa, makes this all the more egregious.

It's not just her, by the way, I've made the same criticism of Louie (where he has other characters tell him what's wrong with his life, knowing full well that the audience know he's writing every word himself) and Jim Jeffries' show Legit (where he's a bit of a party animal rebel, but ultimately just a great guy). It's one of the main problems I've noticed with any performer writing their own fiction, especially when they're basically starring as themselves (which is becoming more and more common since Curb and Louie). I think the same could even be said for Woody Allen, but thankfully enough of his films were good enough on their own merits for it not to be too grating.

With a film like Trainwreck, I can just imagine Schumer writing it primarily with her own image in mind rather than focusing on the other characters being at all realistic or the script being at all original. Whether you like her stand-up or not, it's hard to deny that this is a person who got where she is by having very good publicity and knowing which buttons to press when depending on what's popular. Long story short, I don't buy that she really wanted us to despise her character at all. That would have been a far bolder move, but it's far too self-serving to genuinely consider that kind of analysis.

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Are you critical of yourself? Are you able to spot the things you do wrong in life... Personally and Professionally?

The people you mentioned (Especially Louie and Woody) are more than comfortable bringing up what they do wrong in their lives. They've watched themselves on TV, Films etc. Friends and fans voice their opinions and they embrace it while still saying "Oh Well." Everyone was up in arms about Louies 4th Season. So what did he do? Immediately talk *beep* about it in Season 5. Yes, the wrie the stuff but so what. Louie and Woody are VERY Honest Guys about stuff most folks would bottle up. Amy is the same way. I don't buy what you're selling IMO. You are DEFINITELY Not Supposed to like her

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To me, it's a case of Schumer (who wrote it as well, remember) having her cake and eating it too. It's all very well to say "Oh yeah, but I'm meant to be unlikeable in it", but really you're clearly supposed to be rooting for her, and more often than not she's the one you're meant to side with.
Agreed!

And I'm sure her next film, when she can't use the same material, won't turn out as favorably.

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@ThatNoodleLizard


Whether you like her stand-up or not, it's hard to deny that this is a person who got where she is by having very good publicity and knowing which buttons to press when depending on what's popular.


The thing is,though, Schumer also had some training as an actress and in a comedy troupe,and has been working as a comic for close to a decade now---so she's definitely not some overnight sensation. Obviously TRAINWRECK stuck a nerve with lots of folks (I thought at least half of it was actually funny, and even did something I don't do during most comedies nowadays----I actually laughed out loud more than once.) I could have done without the description of a certain thing getting stuck in the main character's nether regions----that really wasn't needed, and it wasn't even funny. Other than that, I liked the film because it's a more realistic look at a woman who clearly has her own issues about relationships, and that's why people (including women,like myself) were able to relate to it on that level.

Also, you can have all the publicity in the world, but if an audience dosen't like or connect with an actor/actress or a movie on some level,it's not gonna happen for them, no matter how much hype they get. That's why TRAINWRECK was such a big hit to begin with.

I'm also tired of this attitude that Schumer shouldn't even be famous simply because she's "ugly and fat", according to some immature teenage dudes whose idea of beauty is apparently only stick-thin actresses who looks like skeletons. Schumer looks more like the average woman than most Hollywood actresses, which is another reason audiences (especially women) find her so relatable--and, frankly, I don't think she's either one. I don't know what's wrong with the dudes who keep saying that. Mainly because you see fat male comedians making it all the time, and nobody is constantly saying that they're too fat to even be popular comedians. There have been even ugly male comedians time and time again but they always get a pass because they're men----you rarely hear somebody whining about how ugly or fat a male comedian to the exclusive of damn near anything else about him---I mean, damn,women aren't here just to look good to men all the damn time.

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I'm also tired of this attitude that Schumer shouldn't even be famous simply because she's "ugly and fat", according to some immature teenage dudes whose idea of beauty is apparently only stick-thin actresses who looks like skeletons. Schumer looks more like the average woman than most Hollywood actresses, which is another reason audiences (especially women) find her so relatable--and, frankly, I don't think she's either one. I don't know what's wrong with the dudes who keep saying that. Mainly because you see fat male comedians making it all the time, and nobody is constantly saying that they're too fat to even be popular comedians. There have been even ugly male comedians time and time again but they always get a pass because they're men----you rarely hear somebody whining about how ugly or fat a male comedian to the exclusive of damn near anything else about him---I mean, damn,women aren't here just to look good to men all the damn time.


I don't think any comments of that nature are taken seriously, though, and certainly the majority of female comedy actors aren't conventionally good-looking (Melissa McCarthy, Rosie O'Donnell, Roseanne Barr etc.) That has very little bearing on what I think of Schumer, anyway. I think people like Whitney Cummings and Iliza Shlesinger are probably worse comedians, even though they're conventionally more attractive.

What irritates me about Schumer is that, at the end of the day, it's all about making her look good - even if it's ostensibly making her seem like a "trainwreck". It's the covert self-aggrandisement of it all which jars with me, which is certainly not something exclusive to her - although I think she is getting more of a free pass because it's "fresh & exciting" when, like you say, a woman does what men have been doing for decades. That doesn't make it good, though, if anything it makes it even more disappointing.

In the case of Trainwreck, it may be partly down to Judd Apatow as well, who seems incapable of having a protagonist who's anything other than basically perfect in the audience's eyes. "Sure, they've got their issues, but who hasn't?!" Seth Rogen's character in Knocked Up is a pretty good example; he's just this kooky kind of loser with a good heart, while Katherine Heigl is just a screeching harridan with very few redeeming features. Apatow's certainly not a very feminist filmmaker, as far as I'm concerned, which made it all the more cringeworthy when he tried (and failed) to do so here.

As for Schumer, I don't think she's a bad person or anything. At the end of the day, she's a celebrity, and she's fulfilling all celebrity criteria (including getting political, more recently). That's fine, most of them do it, but for the most part she seems to be getting praise for what others may have received derision or indifference. And then in two years we'll have a different "woman comedian we love". The irritating thing is that there are genuinely great female comics and comic actors, but they're not as business-/publicity-minded as Schumer is. 'Twas ever thus, but it's still a pretty dire situation that public image speaks louder than talent. I hope that at least somewhat explains my view on it. If you found the movie funny and relatable, more power to you, I certainly don't want to try and take that away from anyone. I just think we can do better.

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Clown, SHE is unlikeable

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100% correct. Some people have trouble with that type of narrative. They cant handle it. This is a damn good film and that seems to be the usual feedback.

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Certainly not the case for me. I tend to prefer films and TV shows with deeply flawed, unsympathetic protagonists - as do a lot of people judging by the popularity of shows like Breaking Bad and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. One of my favourite recent films is The Comedy, whose protagonist is deeply unlikeable and probably sociopathic to an extent, far moreso than the "lol I do what I want" character Schumer has here. It's not as simple as just going "Oh, they're supposed to be unlikeable, therefore it's good" though.

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Please, it was flatulence, and believe it or not, we "understand" it. The woman is devoid of talent

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If you think that she's devoid of talent, then you certainly don't understand.

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Change the main character gender for a male protagonists and no one would have said *beep*

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If he had the same lack of talent, like Will Ferrell, we would've

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People are not going to take you seriously if you go saying that Will Ferrell and Amy have no talent

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People WITH brains do. Idiots like you, don't because, and here's a clue, YOU HAVE NO TASTE! You're also a Two Lame Twits fan, and that's all anyone needs to know

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Her flab arms are gross.

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I started having this same vibe with about 30 minutes left in the film. I thought to myself "Are we supposed to think this guy should want to get back together with this chick? What redeeming value does she have?"

This film is slightly overweight chick wish fulfillment. There's really no way a guy with as much on the ball as Dr. Connors in this film would ever want anything to do with Amy Schumer. Especially as dreadful of a person as she is in this movie.

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The film is slightly overweight chick wish fulfillment


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So true, and there are some online lonely chubsters that make the obvious even more evident.

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that's exactly what I was thinking, why would this guy who has a great career and is a great person keep coming back to this horrible woman? and I never bought him being attracted to her.

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The difference is that Billy Bob's character in Bad Santa was compelling. He was interesting and fun to watch, despite being an awful person. Amy Schumer in this film was just annoying.

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This is a romantic comedy not a dark comedy. Yes, she is unlikeable, but now we have to believe that someone this unlikeable is going to attract a very successful A list doctor with lots of influential friends. Their initial meeting showed some promise. This is a guy that called out her BS, and challenged her. This quickly evaporated into her getting complete control of the relationship, and he's like "whatever you want, Dear".

She would be fun for a while as a pleasant distraction, but this is not a woman a guy like that is going to marry. She's about as nurturing as a brillo pad, and would be one of those mom's who thinks she's trapped by motherhood. She'd be curb-kicked after 6 weeks.

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I agree, but unlikeable people are supposed to be...unlikeable. Amy Schumer wrote her character to be a cad who was rolling in dudes who instantly fell in love with her. Now, it's not personality and it wasn't her looks, so where was her appeal to all these men?

Using your Bad Santa analogy, he was a dirtbag. He wasn't some kind of playboy fighting off swimsuit models and debutantes.

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