Brilliant... and Lydia showing him the future factory site.
A little too much connecting all the dots, but what else can they do?
I wonder what's that pill that Salamanca is taking... what an insufferable prick he is. Makes the rest of them look human by comparison.
The Mike scene was a waste of time. They've already covered that ground.
Yay for Lydia and Gus buying the laundry!
I think Nacho is going to refill Hector's pill with some kinda poison and it doesn't kill him but it puts him in the wheelchair.
the pill is probably supposed to be nitroglycerine- people take it for angina heart pain. But real nitroglycerine pills are not in capsules because capsules take too long to dissolve in the stomach. nitroglycerine is in pressed tablets that dissolve very quickly for fast relief of heart pain. But if nacho is going to switch the pill, it needs to be a refillable capsule for plot purposes.
And we got to see the goldfish again, in a lovely big tank with a bubbler. Jimmy really does have a heart. he could have flushed that goldfish after using it as a prop to visit the vet, but he gave it a veritable palace.
Yeah, I was thinking that too although it's treading a little close to the ricin plotline. Hopefully they'll throw us a curve somehow. Good call on the fish... forgot about that scene.
I wonder how many seasons they've planned for Saul. It would be cool if they did it like Star Wars... Breaking Bad... then Saul... then what happens after Cinnabon.
Love the Star Wars idea
shareNice surprise seeing Lydia pop up with the future laundry lab.
I figured Nacho and the pill will end up showing us how Hector got to his incapacitated state. I don't know a lot about that sort of stuff so that's the only through line my mind could make. Can you imagine, after all the shit Nacho has taken from him and wanting to break away from that guy and to see him suffer and he....lives after that! I can see that being a gut punch to him.
Loved seeing the origin of 'Saul Goodman' and am pleasantly surprised they got to that, I keep forgetting we are already in the third season, haha. And Kim was there for it which only makes me more nervous about her future. She's like this shows Jesse in that she's complicit in not such great things, but I just want her to make it out okay!
Yeah, it doesn't look good for Nacho... as it doesn't look good for any of the major characters who aren't heard from again in Breaking Bad. Have the feeling that the first ding of Hector's bell will be asking for Nacho's head.
I wonder if any fans came up with "S'all good, man" first? Never thought of that until he said it last night.
I have to just quickly say that it always bothers me how most people think Jesse's so much more innocent than Walt... It's true that Walt was Jesse's teacher and he's older, and I guess it's fair that maybe Walt should be held more responsible because he's kind of a father figure... but first of all Jesse was a meth dealer... indirectly responsible for messing up dozens of lives before Walt ever came into the picture. He got Jane hooked on heroin again, so even though we all blame Walt for letting Jane die... he is equally responsible in my book. And after all this he goes to a recovery group to sell meth where he meets Andrea and tries to get her hooked again... yet all people remember is that Walt gave Brock a carefully administered dose of a drug to simulate death. Was what Walt did horrible? Of course... but what the self righteous Jesse did was equally terrible. But because Jesse is young, little and has sad pretty eyes... everyone always says Poor Jesse.
I think I always remember Tyrus more from The Shield so it took me awhile to place him again. He has a dramatic face so it distracted me from his fat.
I believe Nacho was referred to in BB, no? I might be remembering that secondhand from a friend so I could be totally wrong, haha
And a lot of people connected, "s'all good man,' with the name. I didn't on my own, but started hearing it around and had that, "aha," moment! I'm sure a lot of people, as well, just got it last night though. It's fun no matter what!
I'm not absolving Jesse of his crimes, but he at least had some remorse for what he had done. There's argument to be made was partially a victim of his environment and a forgotten youth (which I'm sure gets eye rolls, but being stuck in a situation is shitty). Again, he did terrible things and should've broken it off with Walt long before he did, but Walt was like a cult figure even more than a father figure. You can probably ask people involved with someone like Walt, someone that tries to have so much control over you and they'd say how hard it can be to get away. He was a drug dealer, but he was also a drug addict, and that's a disease and feeds into his relationship with the drug community. All of these are not excuses, but they are justifications for the reason he stayed where he was.
He's a much more sympathetic character than Walt ever was and he got his comeuppance way more than Walt did. He was the shows punching bag a lot of the time, faced consequences, and reaped what he sowed, in my opinion whereas Walt didn't really get his till the end. Both of them are severely flawed, so even if I defend Jesse I'm not condoning what he did, but I don't think he was as much a monster as Walt was...and when you're up against that comparison it makes sense why he might come off a little better. Just my 2 cents.
Sorry, if that got off track!
He had perfectly normal suburban parents... true they were horrible in their annoying, self righteous Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People type way, but almost all suburban kids survive that without becoming meth dealers.
I get what you're saying about being an addict and karmic reprisals and remorse... but it's funny how we all have an innate bias in favor of the more emotional person who says they are sorry all the time over the repressed person who can never show their feelings. It's true that Walt had that classic Greek tragedy hubris and went off the power trip deep end, but if you're keeping score like an old man with his notebook at a baseball game... you'll find the tallies for Jesse and Walt are almost identical... while the fandom's reactions to the characters would indicate otherwise.
Well, I think there's something to be said about context, circumstance and intention. I think that's where they differ and they do make a difference. I'm likely to be at least somewhat sympathetic towards someone who seems to be sincerely sorry for the way they've lived their life and someone else who didn't care as long as it made them richer/more powerful.
That doesn't lessen what they've done, but it does speak to their character. It's not so black and white, but good people can do bad things and I think that's the category Jesse fits into. They both are psychologically damaged human beings and clearly were not good for one another and being with one another only furthered that damage/caused it. They each had their use for the other and relationships built on dependency will never go well.
Also, I know the suburbs seem all honky dory, but bad shit goes down with those people as well. I wouldn't count them out just cause they have white picket fences. Of course, I could be speaking to someone who lives or has lived that way, but....growing up in the suburbs doesn't mean an automatic out of having any strife or troubles. Sorry, if that sounds defensive, but I know people like this so just putting that out there.
I appreciate and understand your stance though. Going purely off of that checklist and the facts they do stack up fairly equally to each other, you're right. I'm only playing devil's advocate here.
I think rich people are the bane of the world... not so much middle class suburbans like Jesse's parents (although they certainly are complicit), but certainly I didn't mean it like the bourgeois are so much better. I simply meant that it's not like he didn't have other options like the meth kids delivering on bikes. I definitely have more of a Twin Peaks view of suburbia.
Remember Walt gave up everything to try to save Hank. The thing people don't often get... is when Hank says to Walt something about how "for the smartest guy I know, you sure are dumb" when he is about to die... Walt does know intellectually that Hank is dead... but it's more important to Walt that Hank knows he's more valuable than the money to him, than keeping the money. All of that money, power and effort went up in smoke... just so he could let Hank know in spite of everything, he loved him. Walt also saved Jesse's life at the risk of his own when he could have thought only of himself. My point is we need to look at actions more than tears when assessing someone's character.
I think I lost all sympathy for Walt when it was revealed that Walt didn't need to manufacture and sell meth. He did it for the money. He cared not for his family, friends, relatives, in laws or anyone else. Walt didn't care how they felt or that the poison he was manufacturing would get people hooked on it.
All Walt cared about was business of selling his blue meth to drug traffickers. What a fall from grace. Walt became a true monster. Even Jesse realised that Walt needed to be stopped.
We, at the very least, know that Nacho is still alive around the Breaking Bad timeline. If you remember, in Season 2, Saul thought that Jessie and Walt were sent by "Ignacio" which Gilligan and Gould confirmed is actually Nacho.
Don't be so sure about Nacho dying: Michael Mando (who plays him) suggested that "death isn't the only option".
I'm starting to wonder if Saul will actually overlap into Breaking Bad's timeline... a tricky proposition but one that would fill in behind the scenes information about Saul's world while contemporaneous with BB events. That would also be a way to put Walt and possibly Jesse back into the show.
shareGilligan and Gould suggested that the show would take place before, during and after Breaking Bad before Season 1 was released. Since Season 2, we've had a resurgence of Breaking Bad characters re-introduced into BCS and Season 3 is just spitting them out like a copy machine so yes--I think it's very possible we'll get an overlap. Having said that, I'm now thinking this overlap will happen in the final season but then again...who knows at this point?
I always expected them to end the show with a few episodes in the "Gene" timeline since that is present day but Gilligan has now suggested that the show could possibly run on longer with Gene's story at center stage. At this point, it sounds like they may be contemplating one day continuing the show at present day for much longer than I was expecting. Fine by me. We can't linger in the past forever. An ENTIRE season or multiple seasons with "Gene" would be fantastic as long as they could somehow harness in most of the principle cast, one way or another.
I think that Gilligan and Gould want to avoid a premature ending again like with Breaking Bad. BCS is on fire right now and I think they want to continue taking their time with it. That's fine by me. Bring on the "Gene" seasons!
Wow, that's great news... Thanks! Why did they stop in the first place? Were they burned out? Surely, it couldn't be AMC's decision.
shareYeah, I can't find the specific article I read regarding that but if you look online you'll find many articles since 2015 where they talk about that. I really wish I could find that one particular article from last month because they flat out reveal that the series MAY pick up for one or more full seasons eventually.
I was surprised because I never expect the series to bookend on an ENTIRE Gene season--just the last few episodes or finale--but the way they worded it sounded like they might even have more than one Gene season in mind. I was happy to read the article and hear them say: "We feel there is a lot we could cover from the post-Breaking Bad world."
Either way, we at least have the assurance that they fully intend to bookend this show with "Gene" whether it be a few episodes or a full season or so.
I think this season's "Jimmy suspended from the law" angle could be an experiment of sorts from their end to see if a lawyer-less Jimmy could be a compelling character. I think he could. If so, that might bolster their confidence in continuing the show with Gene because, in reality, they couldn't write him as a lawyer.
I think this should could benefit from showing a post-Breaking Bad Jimmy trying to find himself again and gaining a new niche that allows him to be his "true" Saul Goodman self again.
Continuing the story in the post-BB period makes sense because the actor is aging. so trying to do too much prequel when the guy looks much older than in BB would be hard. They can do as many seasons of the Gene story as they want because Odenkirk will age at the same rate as the character.
shareIt could also prime them to involve Jesse in some way or even resolve his storyline.
Seeing Jimmy finding a new way to be his true self in Omaha would be great. He can't be a lawyer anymore but could at least find a new way to express his lively personality and be happy again.
Yeah. This is my only issue with this great show. Both Odenkirk, other characters, but most of all: Jonathan Banks! He's seriously looking way to old for the badass character he is supposed to portray at this point. Maybe my favorite char from BB, but even with a lot of goodwill towards the character and suspension of disbelief, I keep thinking how old and tired he seems every time I see him doing anything action-related in BCS.
Would not mind at all if they speed up things into BB-timeline and post-BB just because of this.
"I wonder if any fans came up with "S'all good, man" first? Never thought of that until he said it last night."
Well, probably most of us who have payed attention, since it was no secret.
There was a "slippin Jimmy" flashback in the first Season of BCS where he said to his friend, 's'all good, man, so it was no surprise. He might have used it as a pseudonym in one I'd his scams, I'm not sure.
And even during "BB", their Facebook page had memes of Saul which had that phrase.
I hope it all doesn't end on a depressing note. I love connecting the dots but some of it comes a little too close together like what Lucas did with the prequels (Vader burying his mom in Luke's back yard).
BTW, ICWXP's latest episode just hit (they are a MST3K tribute show) and they riffed a film that is Ehrmantraut's very first acting role. At first I thought the Breaking Bad references were because the actor looked like him, but it is really him! Hilarious stuff! Here's a clip:
https://youtu.be/Cz8mj-9ikJ0
Very funny
Here's another early clip of him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HYeuQAJsG8
I wasn't that psyched to see Lydia to be honest. It's getting a bit too referential for me. But it's just 5 seconds, and if other people get a kick out of it, why not?
But I was happy with the Nacho stuff. I've been waiting for more of him (or I forgor it...). And overall I like it better when there is more of the new characters vs the BB ones.
I liked the Chuck bits as well. That trial was wake up call for him I think. He's trying to get help, and hopefully he'll reevaluate other aspects of his behaviour as well.
And the commercial was awesome!
I'm curious to see if she was always a paranoid, neurotic mess... or if she started out normal and the business made her that way. I was amused by that character so I wouldn't mind seeing more.
The commercial was a spot on parody... good stuff.
If the other characters are anything to go by, I'd say the business made her that paranoid. But you never know :)
I guess with us getting closer to the BB timeline I should get used to seeing more of those characters.
Jimmy should've just gone into commercial production. He sure has a knack for it!
Yeah, Mike has gotten boring, but Jimmy's story has finally picked up. Will it be a year (story timeline) before we see Saul Goodman, the LWYR UP guy?
shareI would guess that the Breaking Bad incarnation of Saul Goodman character only emerges after he breaks up with Kim. It's possible there could be some overlap... but I don't see how she would be cool with that persona. I'm thinking Saul's a reaction to the breakup... a complete makeover to recover from his grief.
shareWho knows when it is going to happen, but I am going to be so very very sad when they break up. The two of them really compliment each other. Kim reins in Jimmy's impulsive behavior while he offers her some "thinking outside the box" perspectives.
shareYes, however I'm hoping the writers' endgame has them reuniting somehow after the Cinnabon period.
shareI don't find Mike boring, but I do think he is a tactical genius. It's gotten to the point that if he gives someone advice, they should always take it. The point is that the audience knows it, so it's telegraphed to us, that if someone goes against Mike's advice, bad things will ensue. But then we sort of knew this from Breaking Bad.
shareI didn't mean Mike was boring, but his story has sorta or taken a back seat to Jimmy and Saul's emergence. Yet, you're right about people should take his advice. His character's changing, too, since he took the job from Gus. I'm surprised he took it without much thought since I assume he knew what might have to do.
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