Same way I feel Batfleck should been introduced in his own movie even through it may seem too soon after Dark Knight Rises.
The whole movie feels like three or five movies shoved into one movie.
There are Snyder fans that are like "Oh no! Batman fighting Superman is the most obvious way to go after MOS", of course they're ignoring that they planned MOS 2 during MOS but changed to BVS.
I'd rather have seen a proper MoS2 before he got introduced to any other superheroes.
shareFirstly, I've been hoping for a proper sequel to Man of Steel for almost a decade. Secondly, I honestly have no problem with adding Batman BUT Snyder should've just stuck with ONE single story.
The whole movie feels like three or five movies shoved into one movie.
Of Snyder fans would be like "excuse me Avengers Infinity War and Endgame have multiple storylines and are three hours so what is your point? kill yourself, I love the movie, it has sick action" well unlike the MCU there was no instant impression with the DCEU or critical acclaim.
As said before many times the negatives receptions of BVS and JL have killed all hope of a MOS 2 or solo Batfleck, to this day there's no talk, no interest or any wheels turning in trying to get a MOS 2 out.
It seems WB have moved on from Superman for now. The new Flash movie looks like it's going to set the path for the DCEU going forward; we've got Affleck returning for his swansong as Batman, Keaton returning as Batman (and supposedly taking Batfleck's place in the DCEU), and a Supergirl who is possibly Superman and Lois's daughter from an alternate timeline. With Cavill's people confirming he's not involved in the movie, I can see WB making this Supergirl their big screen Kryptonian (which was rumoured about 18 months ago), leaving Superman to Tyler Hoechlin in the Superman and Lois CW show (which has been very well received).
shareI guess it's gonna be a very long time if we see a proper Superman movie and Cavill is probably not gonna come back if they do.
Tyler Hoechlin does seem to be slowly replacing Cavill as this generation's Superman.
He does. I'm not a fan of the Arrowverse, but from what I've seen of Hoechlin he seems pretty good.
shareCavill is out, Black Superman is in. Which one? No idea. Maybe it's a black Clark Kent or the actual Black Supermen from the comics. Nothing confirmed yet.
All we know for now is Ta-Nehisi Coates is working on a script to be produced by JJ Abrams for the big screen. And Michael B. Jordan is working on a different, unrelated Superman project for HBO Max
They'll probably reveal some details at DC Fandome event next month
Black Superman is likely to go south like Superman Lives and Flyby.
shareI honestly think this one is gonna stick. They're looking for diversity & stuff. I'm gonna be genuinely surprised if at least one of the 2 projects doesn't happen
Honestly, at this point, I think the suits at WB are just throwing darts at the board & seeing what sticks.
JJ Abrams is apparently heading a bunch of DC projects. How do feel about that or him in general?
Personally, I would've been way more excited for this if it was 10 years ago but now, JJ Abrams being attached to a project doesn't really fill me with excitement
It's a publicity stir, it's like doing an all black production of Hamlet, it really doesn't matter it's the quality that matters.
It feels like an experiment from JJ Abrams to see if they could racial swap an iconic character and see what people would think of it.
There's a chance that's the woke/diversty craze might be ending in a few years.
You really think that neither the Abrams nor the Jordan projects are gonna happen? I still believe that at least one of them will happen.
I guess we'll just have to wait & see.
Jordan likely, the Abrams/Coates racial swap is something being considered that's pointless, I hope for the love of fuck it ends up not happening.
shareI guess DC's Fandome event might give us some answers on that.
Personally, I stopped giving a shit when they 'booted' off Cavill. Really loved him as the Man of Steel. Wish he got a well written Superman film that he truly deserved.
Cavill unfortunately is not likely to come back even if they change their minds about Abrams/Coates, if we ever get a proper Superman film is still gonna be a long time.
Looking at the Superman & Lois show makes you wonder why they didn't anything better with DCEU Superman.
I love the old "he isn't relevant" excuse by WB. Yeah, a buttload of comics would like to have a word with ya. Also, Neil Gaiman put it best, "You don't make it relevant, You make it inspiring"
And my favorite one, "He's too much of a goody two shoes character" & people only like "damaged, broken or brooding characters". Yeah, I would buy that if it wasn't for freaking Captain America. Marvel has done wonders with a "Boy Scout" character. Never thought I'd say this a decade ago but Steve Rogers is my fave character in the MCU
I feel like WB just don't know what to do with Superman on the big screen. And they honestly believe that changing his face is gonna solve all their problems with Superman. Yeah, that was the issue, his race.
Also there doesn't seem be any interest from a writer/director to do a movie unless they got turned down, I know some MOS 2 ideas were pitched.
Maybe a Lois & Clark inspired movie would be an easier way to go.
Superman seems to have more success on television.
Maybe a Lois & Clark inspired movie would be an easier way to go.
A more ground take would be a logical way to go, Matt Reeves Batman is doing a ground take like Nolan. More of his journalist life, no fortress origin and suit made by himself that looks similar to MCU Captain America.
shareAren't they working on a Black Superman movie? I think they're working on 2 actually. One with JJ Abrams for the big screen
And one with Michael B Jordan for HBO Max.
Yeah, because the problem with Snyder's Superman was because he was white. Smh..
You're right there were definitely talks, although I thought the HBO Max idea was for a series, instead of the proposed big screen movie. Is that not the case? I haven't heard anything of late. Last thing I did hear was that it likely wouldn't be Superman as in Clark Kent, but one from elsewhere in the Multiverse, possibly Calvin Ellis.
shareI did some googling after replying to your comment. Reportedly, it's gonna be a limited series. And apparently, Jordan doesn't just wanna do a black version of the main Clark Kent/Kal-El Superman. He's rumored to wanna play Val-Zod Superman
Which I honestly love. I'm sorry but I absolutely hate it when they change the race of an existing character when there are actual characters of color right freaking there. Characters that deserve to be adapted. Just being ignored.
Especially when there are so many that deserve their time to shine. Like Vixen for example. I've been hoping for a live action Vixen movie since the Justice League Unlimited tv show. Love her!
Which I honestly love. I'm sorry but I absolutely hate it when they change the race of an existing character when there are actual characters of color right freaking there. Characters that deserve to be adapted. Just being ignored.
It's a publicity stir, it's like doing an all black production of Hamlet, it really doesn't matter it's the quality that matters.
shareEvery fandom has fanatics that give the fandom a bad name. And for the DC Fandom, it's the Snyder fans.
I don't even bother trying to discuss or argue about anything with them. It's literally impossible to do
They're acting like there's a huge demand for more JL films and that all Snyder directed films are flawless, they believe that demanding more films is just an on paper theory that wouldn't stand a chance in real life.
shareNot gonna lie, I honestly love a bunch of Snyder's films. I liked the Snyder Cut of JL. I liked (most of) Man of Steel. I loved Watchmen & 300.
But it's genuinely scary how his fans 'worship' him & defend his work. His work is not without flaws. Calling anything he touches a "Masterpiece" is so ridiculous & hilarious
Deep down the logic of worshipping his work and his takes on Superman and Batman because their current.
Not only are his DC films badly written they're badly paced, there are scenes that go on too long or slow moving.
With The Batman, Avengers Infinity War and Endgame all felt like a TV mini series chapter by chapter, BVS had scenes that lagged for ten minutes to fit a 3 hour runtime like a historical drama.
shareTotally! I think even Snyder said that Brainiac was gonna be the villain in the early stages of development.
shareIf DC knew how to take their time and build like Marvel does, there would have been a stand-alone Aflfeck Batman movie, followed by a MOS 2, and THEN BVS.
shareThat would have been the sensible way to do it.
shareIf MOS 2 and solo Affleck Batman film had been made in 2015/2016 instead of BVS things could've been different.
But Snyder fans are like "Oh fuck you I love the movie, BVS was the most logical step after MOS, it has sick special effects and action".
Kind of makes you miss the old days were franchise movies didn't have expanded universes or trilogies built into their plots, each and every instalment had to be stand alone just in case there isn't going to be more sequels.
As seen with Marvel there's something about a team up building up over a few solo films.
shareIf a MOS 2 had been made in 2015, a solo Batfleck in 2016, BVS in 2017 and JL in 2021 things could've been different.
shareImagine bringing back Christopher Reeve Superman for the DCEU with a new actor.
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