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The Last Jedi Is The Batman v Superman Of Star Wars


https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-backlash-batman-v-superman/

To suggest a kinship between Star Wars: The Last Jedi and Batman v Superman is sure to rile up fans and detractors of both tentpoles equally, but may actually be the key to understanding why the pair have proven so divisive; and tell us the real problem with the so-called “fan-critic” divide.

If you were wanting to compare Episode VIII to one of the Batman films, the obvious parallel would be The Dark Knight. It’s a sequel, the second of a major reboot, that’s altogether bigger than what’s came before that takes a mature look at its well-established heroes and why they really do what they do. And nobody would disagree that Adam Driver’s Kylo Ren is the best blockbuster villain since Heath Ledger’s Joker. But when you break it down, there’s an unexpected film in the Caped Crusader’s pantheon that it’s closer to.

On paper, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice would have been The Dark Knight of the shared universe era. A deconstruction of both its titular heroes – a highlighting of their fundamental dichotomy – full of icon-shaking turns, it aimed to expand the proto-DCEU and provide a grown-up experience but instead wound up one of the most divisive films of the 2010s: seemingly for every fan claiming it a masterpiece of cinema, there was a detractor ready to decry it a genre folly. Now, why does that sound familiar? Since its release, The Last Jedi has become marked out as the most-divisive entry in the saga, with effusive reviews made to seem all the more positive thanks to an extreme fan backlash. Considering it too was coming from a high-reaching place, the similarities already begin to come to light.

To make clear, we’re not going to be comparing the films on any subjective or artistic level, rather take in how The Last Jedi and Dawn of Justice have, against all odds, ended up in the same area of the pop culture discussion – and why this is very important for mainstream cinema going forward.

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Well they are both pretty bad. But i think BVS is worse.

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But what is Rey's mothers name was Leia?


That changes the throne room scene doesn't it?

"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!!!!"

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Hmmm.. I think when the Star Wars' scriptwriter saw BvS, he/she was like "Fuck you, BvS! You stole my cleverest twist you pricks!"

Thus we had this last minute cobled together Rey's parents are nobody plot instead.

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If Rey's mother had been named "Martha" that would have be so utterly perfect!

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Two average films whose failings are blown vastly out of proportion by drama queens. You are correct. It is the BvS of Star Wars

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"And nobody would disagree that Adam Driver’s Kylo Ren is the best blockbuster villain since Heath Ledger’s Joker."

Say what? A lot of people would strongly disagree with that claim.

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I strongly disagree with that claim.

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At the beginning of tfa, he used the Force to freeze a blaster bolt in mid-flight. That was pretty cool. It was all a steep and steady downhill trip from there.

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Uh yeah, a whole lot of people would disagree with that claim, because it's simply asinine! Kylo Ren, a master in the force, gets bested by a person who's never previously wielded a light saber. Comparisons to Ledger's Joker are way off.

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how can anyone say that Kylo Ren or Adam Driver is in any way shape or form on the same level as Heath Ledger's Joker? Not that his Joker was the greatest thing, it was vastly overrated, but Adam Driver is so godawful in everything he does, literally how can anyone even consider otherwise? How? Where do they get these people?

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Kylo Ren is best villain since Joker? The dude is a whiny putz, several times worse than Anakin. Except, unlike Anakin, he is incompetent.

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I agree they are extremely similar in reception, How they damaged their franchises and How The events and characters actions angered fans and audiences....


But for me the one major difference is....

take away all The Fan base stuff....BvS is just An awful film, from story,script,Tone,Editing,and direction....

and The Ledi Jedi Is aside from Making mistakes with characters that angered a fan base, there seems to be universal agreement its a decent to good movie...

The biggest Teller is....

You could show BOTH BvS and The Last Jedi to a group of 100 people who doesn't a single thing about comics and Star Wars....

and The Overwhelming majority would come out with the opinion BvS is awful and TLJ was pretty good...

BvS doesnt hold up on any level...Its An incoherent mess....

Star Wars can be watched by The General public and be seen as A good film, You have to be a Star Wars fan to hate TLJ for the most part....

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