Pretty much the only thing I don't like with this movie is that Nick was an enormous douchebag, but then "crossed over to the good side" after one tiny insight on his part.
I thought that was rather shoddily written.
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Hmm. True can't argue with that. I guess Judy is one special bunny lol. Wasn't that why ?Nick changed? Cause his relationship with her? Really it's like any other typical bad guy goes good cause of a girl...
shareJudy did help him yes. But it was though trust and friendship. Clearly you must rembember Nick's flashback and how deeply he wanted to be part of something postive even though as it's implied he might be looked down upon just because of who he was. And to an lesser extent because his family was poor. I'd say this also proves that Nick even at a young age wanted to do something postive and to help others.
Flash forward to his adult years after he meets Judy he certainly isn't that nice to her. But remember he is a conman and much of his routine is simply a facade. Nick even explains this a little when he tells Judy that he decided long ago to never let other's see they get to him.
Lastly just take a look at the scene again where Judy hands Nick the job application. Nick doesn't say a word but you can clearly see just how much it meant to him in his expressions. And just afterwords when he's upset he tells Judy just before throwing the application at her "Just when I thought someone belived in me."
In terms of pacing it was fine, but yeah, it was fast or at least in terms of the time frame of only two days.
I guess its meant to show he isn't really an enormous douchbag or he's a con with some semblance of a conscience.
Granted Judy also saves his life twice prior to him standing up for her, so that probably contributed too.
The point I feel they were trying to make was Nick's behavior was always just a facade ie: don't judge a book by its cover. Nick was never a bad person to begin with. He did what he did for survival and to prove a point to other's (and I guess himself also) that if others were going to stereotype him he was going the best stereotype he could.
shareI can partly see your point but I guess you will just have to walk away with the idea that deep down he really isn't a enormous douchebag. Not just counting the fact he wanted to join the boy scouts as a kid. But if we look at how he treats Flash and the other sloths we can assume he is not some stuck up jerk. He does not give me the impression that he looks down on Flash. At the end I movie it looks like he seems to be able to carry some of Robin Hood's virues. I kind of doubt Judy would bring out the good in him if he was nothing but a con man etc.
shareYeah that is true.
Maybe the film makers just laid on too much douchebag exposition at first.
I really felt a sort of hatred for him and then all of a sudden I was like ".... wait... we're supposed to root for him now?"
I thought he was gonna be the movie's main obstacle before his "repentance" so that really threw me off.
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Well put and I agree.
shareYou seemed to miss the reason why the way he was this way. Nick always wanted to do the right thing and he always wanted to help others. The reason he became the way he was is because society forced him to become this way. Simply put, Nick while rough around the edges does have a heart of gold.
share^ Stole my post.
Nick was always a good guy, but at an early age he consigned himself to the role society wanted him in. And even as a hustler, he's still not breaking any laws, just telling a few slick half-truths.
he's still not breaking any laws
Oh I get it now.
He was acting all douchy , but coming from a place of bitterness rather than misantrhopy or actual rudeness. Am I right?
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I would say so. Watch it again and really pay attention to what he says. You'll see things and undertand him better than you didn't before very likely. It was the same for me my first time. It took about three viewings before I really was able to really understand Nick. But after I did, I found out the is indeed a very warm and caring indvidual that's just had a very tough life.
shareIt was more gradual than you make it sound. Think of the events that led to that scene.
At first Nick was:
"Why is the bunny pestering me about this obviously unimportant case? Alright, fluff, I can be a pest to you too."
But then:
"Uh-oh, a mafia connection, this is more important than I thought. And she got me on the shrew's good side again, which is nice."
And then:
"Wtf, the jaguar went axe-murderer-crazy out of nowhere. This is extremely serious stuff after all."
However:
"The bunny bet her career on this? She sure has guts. But why are they doubting her?"
And finally:
"DID THAT SON OF A COW JUST DISS ME?! OH NO YOU DIDN'T!"
It's true. But I didn't feell like his facial expressions told those thoughts. Maybe I didn't pay attention.
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I think by that point he was starting to get interested in the case and realized that she was doing everything in her power to help find Mr. Otterton only to have her job about to be taken away.
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I think the scene where nick defended Judy said a lot. His facial expression was more of "woah. What? Are you kidding??She's actually a good cop/person who takes her job seriously...and you want to fire her?"
He obviously saw what happened to him as a child happening once again to someone else. While Judy no doubt annoyed him initially, he grew to really respect her. Even though he constantly cut her down: "you'll never be a real cop. you're a cute meter maid though maybe a supervisor someday", "well then they should have got a real cop to find him", she never gave up and kept pushing forward. Eventually his insults died because nothing he said was stopping her and he noticed that she was actually a smart and good cop.
He judged her. Thought she was small, dumb and too unconventional ("cute") to be taken seriously. I think when he finally realizes he was wrong was when despite all of this, she not only saved his life twice (instead of running away)but she vouched for him as a trustworthy witness to her head officer. Then Nick steps up because he realized Judy deserved the same chance all the other officers had to prove herself; the same chance he always hoped someone would give him in general. After this, he feels comfortable enough to open up to her about what happened to him as a kid. When she tries to comfort him, he catches himself being vulnerable and pulls away. He tried to save face.
My favorite scenes are when he calls her "officer hopps", because be actually acknowledges her as a real officer. Then, after falling from the pipes, when he surfaces from the water and can't find her, he calls out desperately for her: "Carrots? Hopps?! JUDY?!" He went from an impersonal nickname (though it becomes his pet name for her later), to actually saying her name. I think this is the only time he actually says her first name in the movie.
She was not just some dumb bunny or any other cop at that point. They had, under very strange circumstances, become friends and kindred spirits.
The Nick in the beginning may have questioned leaving Judy behind when she hurt her leg and couldn't walk (though I don't think he would have left her, I do think he would have considered it). But the Nick in the end...it never crossed his mind because they were in it together now. So Judy's injury slows them down and nearly gets them killed, but Nick tried desperately to get both of them out there regardless.
In the end, when Judy gives her speech, it's Nick's day, but he looks proud of her for achieving her dream. I loved his arc. He grew just as much as Judy did despite being the deuteragonist.
He was also guilty during that scene when Bogo tries to demand her badge because he realizes she'd only been given 48 hours to find Otterton and he'd deliberately delayed her at the DMV just to annoy her....so her losing her job there would've been his fault.
shareNot necessarily a change of heart. Nick might have just been waiting for years for someone to actually impress him, and once she impressed him (with presumably what was between her legs rather than what was between her ears or in her heart) he was 100% on her side.
Seriously, after she nearly starts a race war (or species war, you know what I mean) he is with her 100% again just because she comes in all teary and submissive, she has him by the balls and a half.
Take them to the security kitchen!
So it's sexual?
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I don't know what the writers had in mind, but Nick having the hots for Judy would explain why he's so eager to please her.
Take them to the security kitchen!
Well it's not outlandish to think that, but it is a children's movie.... and sex is DANGEROUS, nahmean?
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