It's fine if you don't enjoy found footage movies anymore, I actually think this would have been much better if it weren't.
What is lacking though is people understanding the background of historic alchemy and literature in this film though. And not pop literature, but something most educated people have been, or should be, exposed to. That is Dante's Divine Comedy and his journey through hell and purgatory. It's pretty obvious that was what the movie was going for. It's sad to see most people didn't get it. WAY too many people taking the movie literally, and then wondering what happens with them at the end. It was obvious to me what was going on well before they entered the catacombs. I suggest many of you take a look into Dante's work. You'll see a lot of influence here.
You don't need to read Dante's poem to understand what happens in the movie at all, the characters explain everything. People that keep bringing it up just want to feel smart. "ooh I recognize a reference to a book I read once, aren't I special?!"
I've read a ton about alchemy when I was younger because I was interested in the topic, didn't make the movie any more enjoyable for me because referencing something good doesn't automatically means the movie is better.
People that say "you just didn't get it" when defending movies usually have their heads so far up their own a**es I'm surprised they can see the movie at all.
"Who died and made you *beep* king of the zombies?"
LOL, explain why 95% of people seem to have no clue about what is going on in this movie then. It's clear when you read these threads.
And it's not something I just happened to read once. It's something we discussed in great length in AP English in high school, and I did a couple of papers on it in college.
Dante's work is something that isn't widely studied in public high school English anymore (I have kids in high school, and the curriculum is a joke). I'm not surprised most people don't get the connection.
I'm glad you did at least though (or so you claim). Good for you on reading wikipedia in regards to alchemy (that may or may not be true, but I figure if you're going to make absurd generalizations, so can I). Alchemy actually had less to do with this movie than the journey through hell and purgatory. Excellent attempt though. I can only imagine that people who bring it up must strike a sensitive nerve in you. God forbid someone who is familiar with Dante's work recognize the influence here and try to steer others towards understanding it as well. The nerve.
First of all as you said, I was generalizing, wasn't talking about you specifically. Sorry If I came out rude, you seem a bit offended,I just hate the "you didn't get it" argument because it assumes people couldn't have possible just not enjoy a movie. It must be because they are dumb. I mean, you are saying 95% of people didn't "get it" just because a couple people on a forum are confused. Maybe most people just didn't like it. I like this movie by the way, not great but not bad. I just hate the argument because it really isn't one.
But more specifically tell me what exactly is explained by reading Dante's poem that isn't explained by the movie itself. The plot is pretty straight forward, and the girl is pretty much a narration machine that explains everything. Do you really think any horror movie would make it so you wouldn't understand it without reading medieval literature?
If your argument is just that people should read the Divine Comedy that's fine, nothing wrong with trying to get people to read more. But saying people would like this movie more if they read it and therefore "get the movie" then I don't agree, that's all.
"Who died and made you *beep* king of the zombies?"
Well, you responded to my comment, so yes, I did assume you were talking about me...or at least including me in the generalization. I'm also not offended at all, it would take a lot more than that lol.
I made the argument not because I think people are dumb (though reading back at my original comment it certainly came off that way, and I apologize for that), just that after reading all 10 pages of threads on the movie it seemed that there were a lot of people who were confused about the movie, despite Scarlett basically explaining what was going on. I didn't say that understanding the movie fully would automatically mean they would like it, just that being familiar with Dante's work would clear up a lot of speculation many people seem to have, and yes, possibly mean they would enjoy it more.
The way I said it all was condescending, I realize that now, and again apologize (it was late and I had just read through all the posts from a lot of people who were very confused about the plot). I should have made the argument in a less caustic way. I was honestly getting frustrated because I came to the board figuring there would be some good discussion on the parallels between Dante's work and the movie, and was surprised that there was not only none of that, but an overall general lack of understanding. What I should have done (and what I might do when I have a bit of time) is create that kind of a thread.
For the most part, I absolutely agree with what you have written, sinsemilla420071. And those that argue about "intelligence" and whether or not they know of Dante, this is an opinion (although a very sensible and correct one) that was written.
Personally, I expected much more from this film. The history of the Catacombs could have been discussed further and I must mention that this is NOT a Found-Footage film. Simply because one of the characters was filming (and making us all dizzy) does not equal Found-Footage when those who leave the Catacombs are still alive and well.
There is much more that could have been done or exposed with the film and that is why I was disappointed, particularly with the fact that each "scary" scene was used in the official Trailer. Aside from those scenes, there was very little, if any, additional "scary" scenes. Tome, this was more of a Thriller than a Horror film, but then again, I am difficult to please when it comes to Horror.
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Your 95% figure holds no water as the more one does not understand the more likely one is to post. In fact, I am betting there is a direct negative correlation between intelligence and likeliness to post on a board.
dantes inferno isn't studied in public schools since its religious related ever hear of separation of church and state teaching about that is illegal its a good thing its not taught or the constitution would be worthless ... if you want your kids to learn about religion send them to a private school and pay to get their minds brainwashed dont blame the system blame england :)
Dante's Divine Comedy (Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso) is studied in public universities. It is not used to teach religion. It is a seminal document in world literature, that depicts the thinking of a time and a place. Taking Vergil's Aeneid as his inspiration, Dante goes on a spiritual journey with Vergil as his guide through Hell, where some of his political enemies including some Popes (such as Celestine V who refused his election as Pope which to Dante was a refusal of his duty to God and the Church) were placed, then through Purgatory for his spiritual cleansing and finally Paradise. For Dante the ideal world system was religion under the domain of the Pope, and the secular world under the rule of the Holy Roman Emperor. For another thing it is one of the first documents written in the vernacular Italian (Tuscan as opposed to Latin) that eventually became the standard Italian that is taught in schools there. Many of the conceptions of heaven and hell depicted in art and literature originated with Dante. If you read much poetry or literature, or study art you will miss many references that came from his work.
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a) The Divine Comedy is not a religious text. It's a literary poem with religious themes.
b) Teaching about religion is and always will be done in schools. Religion is integral to the study of history, sociology, anthropology, art, music, etc. Greek Mythology is taught in high schools, that isn't converting anyone to paganism.
c) Separation of Church and State is meant to protect the church from the state, not protect people from ever hearing or learning about anything that might be considered religious.
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what a sheeithead that Xellos guy is...I hate that guy. Somehow he's always there. Whatever you type, however clear, rational, and smart you are, there's always THAT GUY that just comes on and splurts random sheeit at you....I could kill that fvking guy. It's no threat to my intelligence but it steers stupid people away from actually learning something...and god knows we fvking dont need any more of that.....
There we were, minding our own business, when kids started killing themselves all over my property.
Hai guys I recognized the theme of the movie 'cause I took an undergraduate course haha I'm so smart and you're dumb!!!
lol dude you're so triumphant about "spotting" the similarities to Dante that you're forgetting the movie actually beats the audience over the head with it -- the entrance to the "evil corridor" actually has an inscription that reads "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here", for crying out loud.
Your thread is like going to the message board for Pacific Rim and starting a thread titled: "HAHA U MORANS YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS INSPIRED BY GODZILLA LOL"
The rest of AASB is filled with quasi-intellectual tardism, like the lead actress saying she has a degree in "symbology", and trying to open a secret door via a "Ptolemaic Hinge."
I went to school in England as well and I've heard of Dante 'Abandon all hope ye who Enter here'. The OP is right when they say that education is generally *beep* now. The only thing that I became confused with is the Paris that they come back to at the end.
As an American I'd expect a Brit to not be so intellectually stunted.
My own copy of Blake's work of the Comedy is Copyright: The Heritage Press, 1944, pristine condition and a true work of literary art.
At any rate, Ceremonial Magick and Occult Studies with Eliphas Levi and his Transcendental Magick, John Dee's Enochian Works and more is throughout the film.
Throw in some doses of the early Knights Templar with a history of the Crusades and you combine that with Dante's poetic allegorical myth of man leaving Hell and you have entertainment that exposes a lot of the inbred fear and control Monotheism has brought onto the world, leaving Science to undo it, brick by brick.
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Huh? Dante's Divine Comedy is well known in Britain. Didn't you study Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales at school? It references Dante and the Divine Comedy quite a bit. How about John Milton, T. S. Eliot, Samuel Beckett and William Blake's poetry and art? The re-Raphaelite artists did loads of paintings about The Divine Comedy and Dante's interpretation of hell.
Nope we didn't, well if we did I don't remember, it was a while ago I went to school ! I have heard of canterbury tales but never studied it, watched the tv series though...I know of the people you mention, but not the books.......lets just say Its not something I was really 'into' when I was a school, I remember reading Jabberwocky in class, at junior school...secondary school, most things went over my head to be honest with you, I found history incredibly boring....years later the only books I read or had any interest in were stephen king or james herbert books, dean koontz etc.....didn't go to university either, no that that is relevant to this discussion...'sighs'.....😌
Heh, fair enough. I was so switched off in science lessons that I still don't know much about science.
For what it's worth, Divine Comedy contains three sections:
1. the Inferno (Hell) - sins and punishments 2. the Purgatorio (Purgatory) - repentance 3. the Paradiso (Heaven) - redemption
Divine Comedy is about confronting yourself - the sins you commit, the fears you harbour, the flaws you have, the mistakes you make - as a way to purify yourself to meet the essence of life. Our hero is Dante, a guy in his 30s, who journeys through those three sections with Virgil (an old guy who's a famous poet) and Beatrice (a woman Dante loved and lost) as his guides.
Each of three sections revolves around a pattern of 9 plus 1, totalling 10:
- 9 circles of the Inferno with Lucifer (plus 1) at bottom - 9 rings of Mount Purgatory with the Garden of Eden (plus 1) at top - 9 celestial bodies of Paradiso with the Empyrean (fire) in the centre, which contains the essence of life (plus 1).
The first 7 of 9 rings in Purgatory are 7 deadly sins (lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride) and we see how the committed of each sin are punished. For example, in the Malebolge (8th circle), some wallow in human excrement. Serpents writhe and wrap around men, sometimes fusing into each other. Bodies are torn apart. You get the idea, right. Dante witnesses, relives and/or experiences each circle until he gets to the Empyrean, the fire of life, that finally frees him.
The film - As Above, So Below - uses that concept loosely for its characters. The girl and pals travel into the darkness where horrors/sins prowl (Inferno), come out of the other side where they confront their 'sins' (Purgatory) as repentance, then the survivors make it to the top (Paradiso). It also has a scene of the girl looking at the hidden stone, which could be seen as the essence of life.
Since you read Stephen King's works, you're probably familiar with his favourite phrase 'abandon all hope ye who enter here', right? It comes from Dante's Divine Comedy:
Through me you pass into the city of woe: Through me you pass into eternal pain: Through me among the people lost for aye.
Justice the founder of my fabric mov'd: To rear me was the task of power divine, Supremest wisdom, and primeval love.
Before me things create were none, save things Eternal, and eternal I endure. All hope abandon ye who enter here.
Such characters in colour dim I mark'd Over a portal's lofty arch inscrib'd: Whereat I thus: Master, these words import.
Seriously, dude, if you like James Herbert and Stephen King, you'll like Inferno. It's full of crazy stuff. The sort you see in horror films and novels. No one pays serious attention to the last two sections (Purgatorio and Paradiso), which are more philosophical and lighter. Try reading any illustrated book of Inferno.
Or if you want to read the whole thing, try this book Dante's Divine Comedy In Plain and Simple English http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dantes-Divine-Comedy-English-Translated-ebook/ dp/B00BLXPDH0/. It's better to read Divine Comedy in modern English if you want a quick read. Once you get the idea of how the story goes, you can read the old-school English version with a companion book to explain each reference.
Nice post. I thought i had a rough idea with some of the films themes, but not enough for me to draw conclusions with (i actually thought it may have been something to do with ancient egyptian beliefs in the afterlife) and I knew the film makers must have taken inspiration from ancient writings, so thanks for your summary.
Dante's 'Divine Commedy' is a classic of world literature written by the Florentine Italian Dante Alighieri. A lot of the imagery and concepts in art and our collective imagination of heaven, hell, purgatory, the angels and the devil derive from it. It's tough going, but worth the time spent reading it; easier though if you do it in the context of a class.
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Do you mind not dragging the British education system down, Cosmicgirl? I went to school in Britain and I am perfectly familiar with Dante's Divine Comedy, thanks. It was taught (briefly) in Secondary School and in more depth at University. Just because you weren't paying attention in class doesn't mean the rest of us were doing the same.
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Any film (especially some generic found footage movie) that would require reading over 1,000 pages of Dante's Divine Comedy as a prerequisite of understanding it, is about as unrealistic as one could get and also extremely pretentious. I can't recommend this movie to anyone.
Actually you only need to read a verse to get the reference. And you don't need to read Dante at all to understand this movie: the point is simply that the two "voyages" are similar (and Dante himself was getting inspiration from works more ancient than the Divine Comedy in the first place) - so if you know Dante you can appreciate more the "winks".
Now you've really made me want to see this movie. Italian Studies was my minor in college. We studied 'The Divine Comedy' extensively. I want to look for references. My father and I read 'Inferno' together. It reminded me of a horror movie.
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