A 7.0/10 ON IMDB????


Ok so I'm not a fan of the show and to be honest never even knew about it. I thought this was just a movie that was kick started for god knows why but whatever.. I'm not here to bash fans of a t.v show but why the 7 rating on IMDB? What makes this movie remotely good and beat out classics that don't have even close to this rating. I like Kristen bell and think she is a good actress who throws out some witty one liners. Don't like the addict references every 10 min but maybe that has something to due to the show ( I hope) . I just am watching this monstrosity on HBO cause it's on and I don't get it and the rediculous rating and terrible Franco cameo.

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I'm actually surprised it's not higher, to tell you the truth. I'm sure the majority of people watching it and rating it are BIG fans of the show and very supportive of the movie even if they didn't actually contribute financially to it. I loved the show and loved the movie because it totally catered to us superfans :-).

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Just finished watching it as well. My wife & I are both big fans of the TV show and were looking forward to seeing the movie. We we both shocked the rating was as high as a 7, the show was much much better.

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It has 20% "10" votes, that's why. I'm surprised it isn't more, because over 90,000 fans put up money to make it. I'm sure all of those would rate it "10" but I suspect not all of them come to IMDb and vote.

For the big fans, especially those who were part of the public events or even extras in the movie, I can understand why they would rate it highly, not so much because they think it is one of the best movies of all time, but because they have a personal attachment to it, and for them it really is a "10".

Just another reason why one should not put too much weight on IMDb vote averages.

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"... I can understand why they would rate it highly, not so much because they think it is one of the best movies of all time, but because they have a personal attachment to it, and for them it really is a "10"."

Have you never used IMDb message boards before? You are not allowed to be that reasonable and fair-minded.


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I certainly don't think I'd see it as a bad movie even if I hadn't seen the show, but I do absolutely think it was made for the fans and not so much for the general public, and I personally love that about it

As a stand alone, it's a perfectly fine movie with some witty dialogue and an engaging mystery/thriller element. But in terms of character development and building the world of Veronica Mars and all that... those are things that were already built in wonderful detail in the show, and frankly, why should the movie have to redo all that work just for the sake of the people who haven't watched the show? It's not like this is an adaptation; it's a follow-up. It's something to go along with the already-established story.

Of course they did have enough exposition that if someone does want to watch it as a standalone, they can follow the plot and everything, but beyond that, I don't think the movie should really be judged in terms of "in and of itself, is it a super brilliant work?", because it's simply not meant to be viewed in and of itself. It's part of a greater whole- it would be like watching one late episode of a seasons-long TV show and then saying "I don't get what's so special..."

Take Veronica and Logan's relationship, for example.. for people coming in never having seen the show, I can imagine they might not necessarily have much investment in what they see of their relationship in the movie, because the movie is picking up what all this history between them that they haven't been privy to. And the movie couldn't really recreate all the history between them without it literally just being the show all over again or something. Point is, all you have to do is watch the series first, and THEN when you come in, having seen everything they went through together and how deeply they care about each other, it will be a whole other viewing experience to see them finally reconnect and see the best parts of their relationship come to the forefront again.

And even with something like the whole Carrie Bishop thing.. there's an episode in the show where you come to know Carrie a bit, and you also see the depth of her friendship with the girl who had died on the boat, and so knowing all of that makes that storyline a lot more poignant. It's not necessary for the movie to go into depth about who these people who died are, because the show has already did that. Even if Veronica had explained exactly what had happened in that episode of the show, that wouldn't be effective because it would just be her telling it.

Long story short: Just know going in that it's meant to be an extension of the show! If you want to watch it to get a sense of the general vibe of the show and the characters and all that, that's cool, but don't expect the full emotional impact you would get from a standalone movie because that's not the purpose of this movie. Think of it as the latest episode of the show (which is actually really what it is- it's not even necessarily as big and thrilling as the season finales were; it's more like another extended episode to follow up with the characters and make way for future possibilities for the series).


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I agree, Steph.

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Me too. Outstanding assessment of the movie.

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I didn't watch the show, so of course I have no idea how to base it off of that, and I don't know the history that was already set up, etc.

And I'm sure that Veronica and Logan had a long history that further developed their relationship than what was missing in the movie (which it was); but was this actor/character of Logan always so wooden? I felt like I was watching Veronica be lovey dovey with a house that Bob Vila never bothered to finish building.

Plus, I didn't like the lighting and tone that the filmmakers created. Did the show also have this dark/yellowish tint through out? It made the film feel bleak, which I get is a key quality for Neo Noir. Again, did the show have this bleak lighting scheme to it? I keep hearing about the wittiness and quirkiness; but the tone of it contrasted from that too much for me, that it sapped out a lot of the fun appeal that I've heard it's supposed to have. I felt like I was watching a Steven Soderbergh film rather than a movie update to a high school show. Sure, saying it felt like a Steven Soderbergh film is almost always complimentary, and the high school show was a Neo Noir show with dark elements; but it felt like the movie went too far to make it darker and "grown up", to the point that it wasn't as fun as I've heard the show to be.

Of course, if this is all consistent with the show, then maybe it isn't for me; despite being a fan of both Noir's and teen movies/shows. The character of Logan alone bored me many times while trying to sit through the whole thing.

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Acting is quite a subjective thing, so of course different peoples' opinions may vary, but I personally love Jason Dohring (Logan)'s acting :) In fact I found his acting to be so effective for me that it kind of got me won over on Logan even a little before he actually deserved it from a narrative standpoint.

I can see how the movie might not be a great representation of Logan as a character or Jason Dohring's acting, though.. he's one of those characters where you really have to see everything he's been through to get it. And also, for the story being told in the movie, it's just not something that particularly revolves around him as a character... he's certainly grown since where we left him at the end of the show, but aside from seeing that he's gotten some more stability in his life, the story being focused on for the movie already assumes his innocence from the get go, and so it's more about what he, and everything that being with him again entails, means for Veronica. Hopefully there will be more stories told where Logan in his own right is more central, in which case his character and Jason's acting would get to come through more, but that just wasn't so much this movie.

Anyway, suffice it to say, the show did a VERY good job at developing him as a character, and I really do have a feeling they might have went in the direction they did with him (having him be a good person and central to the story rather than the "obligatory psychotic jackass" as Veronica dubs him in the pilot episode haha) because Jason brought that element so much to him. In the show he wasn't wooden at all- he balanced a sense of bravado and sarcastic humor with very genuine sincerity and vulnerability, and I think that started adding complexity to the character that the writers themselves might not have even realized was there at first.

As for the lighting and the tone... hmm... I'm a really bad viewer and don't tend to notice those details as much as I should, honestly But in general, I do think the movie was a little more bleak, even literally, than the show was from what I recall. The show could definitely get pretty darn dark thematically, but I will say I think the wit and fun aspect of it was less prominent in the movie. It wasn't missing entirely, and I don't even necessarily think it's such a bad thing that they've gone a little more mature/dark with it, but I did miss some of the great one liners and general sense of fun that the show had. That said, it kind of makes sense in a way, since this movie was all about Veronica trying to do the whole "settling down, stable" thing, and that just wasn't her. In her trying to do the "normalcy" thing, she lost a bit of herself in the sauce, and so I think when the story is picking up at that point where she's, well, board and not being herself, that her sense of humor wouldn't be as prominent as it once was either. I'm hoping that as the story continues (in whatever form they can/want to do it in) and she gets back in the swing of things in the life she most enjoys, that wit will start becoming more and more prominent again as well :)

So all in all, I'd say give the show a try! I think you probably will find the fun that may have been missing a bit for you in the movie, and I'm preeetty confident you can probably come around on Logan, too Trust me, from a sheer character development standpoint, there is SO much there with him that wasn't even really mentioned in the movie. He may be a lot of things, but I feel like it would be hard for anyone to argue he's dull.


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I think the overall tone and look of the movie was summed up nicely when Keith was describing Logan: "There's a darkness to that kid…"

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It got a 7/10 because the fans that this move was tailor-made for all saw it and loved it.

Are you asking why did fans that this movie was made for, like it? Or are you asking why fans of this movie were allowed to rate it highly on IMDb?

Both questions to me seem like they can be answered quite readily without starting a thread in which you are going to trashed. But let me answer anyway.

If every movie could successfully get their target audience (and only their target audience) to view it, then every movie would have at least a 7.0 rating, probably an 8.0 rating.
And that's what Veronica Mars did so successfully - their marketing to their fanbase was massive, all of their actors being active on social media, but their marketing in general was next to nothing. Their limited theatrical release but widespread VOD release and with download links sent directly to the financial contributors, allowed for all of the fans (their target audience, the people that this movie was made to please) to watch it, but people outside of the fanbase knew next to nothing about the movie and very few of them watched it.
When that happens, all of the fans are going to rate it highly, and the few people who probably aren't going to get it will rate it much lower, but there's so much fewer of them that the rating remains high.

IF you're asking why did the fans like it, well, they are fans of the show that this is a continuation of. We had three years to get connected to the characters, their interactions, their personal story. For fans, it was like their friends who they haven't seen in 9 years come back to town. Maybe their current activities aren't legendary, but they have all the memories to reminisce. To fans, this movie was very funny, it had a lot of inside jokes and it was a continuation of characters' personal journeys that they have wanted to see for 9 years.

I am a fan, but not a lifelong fan who contributed to the making of the movie, and I gave it 7/10. The humour that film captured mixed with the dark tones, the portrayal of the person Veronica grew up to be, and Logan as well. To fans there was so much more than just the story that was on the screen, but the story in the past 9 years. So yes, I like it. If I had never seen the show, I know that I wouldn't have found it as funny, I wouldn't have found it as interesting and some of the actor's choices would have confused me, it would probably have been a 4/10. But nobody should be required to remove their personal experiences from their life and rate a film for anything other than how it made them feel. Film is subjective after all, and it's supposed to be subjective and it will always be subjective, so yeah, I gave it a 7/10 because that's what it is to me. And guess what? I'm not going to feel bad just because you think I shouldn't like it and that classics need to be rated higher, why, because they're classics? That's *beep*

User ratings are just that - USER ratings, PERSONAL ratings, meant to reflect how that individual person feels about that movie.

So I think we have established why fans like this movie; they are the people this movie was made for, they loved it, and they rated it highly. This movie was so successful in getting it seen by the people who would like it, that the non-fans are a much smaller percentage of the film's audience, that overall it has a high rating.

As I think should be repeated, film is subjective. It is not just about how well specific aspects of a film are made, but way more importantly, how it makes people feel. What emotions are the film able to pull out of their audience? Can they make them laugh? Are they intrigued by the story the characters are involved in? Are they emotionally connected to the characters? Do they care about what is happening on screen? Generally speaking, positive responses to those questions can be achieved by good story-telling, witty story-telling, good acting, good/interesting camera work and effective editing. So yes, that's what makes a film good, but that's not solely how a film should be judged. A film should be judged by each individual viewer on how it made them feel/be entertained. Any film that is able to get positive responses to those questions deserves whatever high rating those fans want to give it.

Generally speaking, I like films (give them high ratings) when they give me characters that I emotionally connect with - that's usually achieved when the films have well written character arcs and actors who can portray those character arcs. I also usually need to understand the characters' motivations and generally understand them. This happens best when these characters are similar to me or similar to people I have met, or have some basis in the world in which I inhabit. And believe it or not, but because I live in the modern, western world, I connect much better to, and enjoy, modern, western films. As a rough guideline, movies made before my parents' generation has much more foreign styles. Mannerisms of speech and actions that just don't mean as much to me. Is it my fault? No. Is it the filmmakers' fault? No. It means those movies were not made for me. Other movies, including Veronica Mars, were made for me.

So, what makes this movie remotely good? It's because I, and many other fans, were emotionally-connected to these characters. They made us laugh, they made us fear for their safety, and they had us interested in their personal growth. I love the character of Veronica Mars. She's witty, smart, independent, vengeful and tragic. From her first moment on screen until now, she has a tremendous arc. And anybody who recognizes that has every right to rate it highly. And everybody who doesn't recognize that has every right to rate it lower.

When you don't connect to a movie the way others have, certainly ask the question about why, but once you find out that it was based on a TV show, and that fans of the show helped fund this movie, doesn't that answer your question? What answer other than "fans of the show liked the movie because they're, well, fans" were you expecting to get?

I thought Serenity was a pretty bad movie, but the 8.0 rating isn't surprising once you know that it was made for fans of the TV show Firefly. Let the fans enjoy it, and those outside of the target audience don't need to worry about it.


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Ok so I'm not a fan of the show and to be honest never even knew about it. I thought this was just a movie that was kick started for god knows why but whatever.. I'm not here to bash fans of a t.v show but why the 7 rating on IMDB?

Probably for two reasons.

-It's mostly fans going to see it. Since people like you have never heard of the TV show. If you have seen the show and liked it, you will really like the movie. I am guessing many people may not go see it if not familiar with it? Not sure though. Honestly, I didn't even know it was in Theaters. I found it on ON Demand.

-There isn't much, or any, pre-existing hate for the show or Kristen Bell so no annoying people fake rating it.


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Yeah, it's a film in an unusual situation. I would rate it a 7, but the sentimental part of me wants to give it an 8. (I'm a moderate marker. I rarely give films a 5 or lower, or a 9 or higher.)

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Because it wasn't a letdown for the fans who loved the show.

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