Why so much hate ?! - Everest (2015) Discussion

[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

That's because most people have a problem accepting why anyone would put their lives at risk to climb a mountain at the cost of 65K.

What they don't get is when they get old they're most likely to have problems walking, talking, thinking, and die painfully in a hospital paying 65K in medical bills. Or they might just get hit by a car, or die in their cubicle working OT on a friday night and no one will even find them till Monday.

Everyone knows about death, but it's hard for humans to actually accept and act like they're slowly dying. If people did know it was around the corner and truly accepted it they wouldn't be doing what they're currently doing. Basically people generally perceive they have more time than they actually have so waste it. Therefore to them anyone risking their life to do exceptional things seems very silly.

Then they die anyway, old and crippled.

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[–] treeroped 9 years ago

there is some desire on people's part to combat the image of cool these adventurers project.

Seems like you just trashed a large number of people to get at a vocal minority. Kind of silly

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

Not just a large number of people. Most of humanity simply "exist" and don't achieve anything significant in their lifetime. Not saying I have either, just that I don't look down on those who try to achieve more with their lives.

Just look at the central message of a movie like Fight club and it's true. Most people are just a sheep, affected by society, have no life, and just another statistic. Not many people truly think out of the box, push their limits, try to take themselves out of their comfort zones and accomplish great things. They just go through life day by day. That's not silly, that's just a fact.

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[–] treeroped 9 years ago

sorry you haven't found anything worthwhile to do with yourself.

i doubt that fischer or hall would be quite so judgmental.

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

sorry you haven't found anything worthwhile to do with yourself.

i doubt that fischer or hall would be quite so judgmental.

Oh, so you know what a couple of dead guys would have been thinking?

I never said I haven't found anything worthwhile to do with myself. But having not actually climbed Everest I think I don't deserve a place on a high horse. Just like never having been on the moon or a test pilot. But I admire these people instead of the masses of people who just exist. Just like I would admire someone who dies for their country and not just a fat person sitting on their couch reaping the rewards of a stable society paid by the blood of others. Even though I haven't been in a war zone myself, it's just natural I respect some people more than others.

Like I said the world's population is growing by 230,000 a day. That's almost 3 people a second, most of those people will never do anything significant in their lives. Whilst a limited few people in this world will do exceptional things.

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[–] treeroped 9 years ago

but to the main point. life doesn't have to be so dramatic for everyone. i'm sure there are some people you would like to be around and others you don't. same for me. seems to be more cool to just accept people for who they are as long as they don't hurt you. just my opinion again.

and dying for your country? lol. you are not promoting violence by glorifying nationalism are you? maybe just a tiny bit? or i could be mistaken.

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

i'm sure there are some people you would like to be around and others you don't. same for me. seems to be more cool to just accept people for who they are as long as they don't hurt you. just my opinion again.

Yeah sure. This is an internet forum for debate. It's not like I walk down the street verbally judging people. I would also say that most of my friends are "the masses". I assume none of my friends have climbed Everest or climbed the moon.

But then again it's also true that most of humanity is rather pathetic. Billions of beings who just consume resources, reproduce and destroy the planet slowly, merely existing. They might think they're important in their own mind, but really just a flash in the pan in the gran scale of things. At least some people do rather more with their lives than others.

and dying for your country? lol. you are not promoting violence by glorifying nationalism are you? maybe just a tiny bit? or i could be mistaken.

Nah, not at all. War is a horrible thing. But I have more respect for those with the warrior spirit or those willing for self sacrifice than the average lazy bastard. Look up Bushido. The average human doesn't do much with their lives other than use up a ton of resources whilst they're still alive.

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[–] vilafire 9 years ago

You are one of the insignificant idiots the person upthread described.

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[–] JimiCobain 9 years ago

You are obviously one of the many people who will do nothing amazing or daring with your life. Enjoy fading away wondering why you didn't take any risks or actually spend your life "living".

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

You're constipation is backing up your cogent thinking. I don't care if it's 65K or 65 cents. I just simply have no compassion or interest for someone who intentionally puts themselves in harms way. It's as simple as that. Anyone who chooses of their own free will to take that long, dangerous walk is accepting the risk and the consequences.

Different strokes for different folks.

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

....someone who intentionally puts themselves in harms way.Anyone who chooses of their own free will to take that long, dangerous walk is accepting the risk and the consequences.

It's not putting oneself in harm's way like sticking one's thumb in a power socket. It's not intentional suicide. The aim isn't to die from Cerebral edema, fall off the mountain or die from the cold. That's true not just from Everest but every climb any climber makes.

Rather the goal comes first, if it comes with risks then so be it.

I watched The Martian recently. Loved it, and hope Mars missions will be a reality some day. You might as well never had any pilot test a plane, get in a rocket, or go to the moon. The chances of dying is very high for test pilots. There would be no planes and screw space exploration. All of it is high risk, the goal comes first.

Remember that the next time a fearful individual like you gets in a plane. Lots of people died "intentionally putting themselves in harm's way" so you can fly in comfort. The spirit those people have requires the willingness to conquer fear. You don't get it (conquering one's fear), so you'll always be one of the masses of sheep in this world.

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

I'm not sure where to begin.

First, because mountain climbing isn't for me that makes me a "fearful individual". How much more judgmental and misguided could a thing like you be? I have been an athlete all my life. I played rugby for 12 years etcetera. I fly all the time, frequently on a plane. You are so full of yourself it is maddening.

It IS putting yourself in harm's way you narcissistic, bloated soul. You can't argue that point. EVERYONE with an active brain cell would agree that there is the potential for bodily harm in EVERY attempt to climb Mt. Everest. Of that there can be NO denial, unless you're in denial of course! Which you apparently are or you've had one too many brain cells frozen during your alleged alpine events.

Great you enjoy climbing...don't put down people who aren't. get over your delusional self..

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

I played rugby for 12 years etcetera. I fly all the time, frequently on a plane. You are so full of yourself it is maddening.

It IS putting yourself in harm's way you narcissistic, bloated soul. You can't argue that point. EVERYONE with an active brain cell would agree that there is the potential for bodily harm in EVERY attempt to climb Mt. Everest. Of that there can be NO denial, unless you're in denial of course!

Same for rugby which I also played, ie potential for bodily harm. In fact rugby and American football are two of the dumbest sports around. I know a whole bunch of players who've played in the Hong Kong 7's and played at international level because two of them own the gym I go to and those two guys will both say they've had enough of rugby due to the injuries.

But they'll also say they'll never trade the memories of walking into a stadium and representing their country. The average person however, doesn't ever achieve anything worthwhile in their lifetime.

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

"The average person however, doesn't achieve anything worthwhile in their lifetime"...according to YOU! I'm not sure what qualifies you as the ombudsman but I would up the meds if I were you! BTW, without researching, what position did you play and for whom did you play? Just curious..oh and what was your height and weight during your "playing days"?

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

...according to YOU! I'm not sure what qualifies you as the ombudsman but I would up the meds if I were you! BTW, without researching, what position did you play and for whom did you play? Just curious..oh and what was your height and weight during your "playing days"?

I played back row, but what has my height or weight got to do with the discussion at hand?

Yeah it is according to me. This is just an internet discussion, it's not like I preach this to my friends over a dinner party or walk into a school with a gun shouting "you worthless scum!". So I don't need meds, thanks.

But from the perspective on a planetary scale, and in terms of history. The average human doesn't matter at all other than in their own minds, and the minds of some family and close friends. Most humans will die and in 50 years after they die no one will give a damn. It's just a flash in the pan. The masses are just one huge population of resource consuming beings, no different from dogs or cockroaches, except to think they're important in their own minds.

At the very least during one's lifetime one could do something exceptional, but most people just go to the mall and the beach at best. This last paragraph is not an opinion, that's a fact. Unless you can point out EXCEPTIONAL things that average people do.

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

"MOST humans will die" how are you planning to avoid the inevitable? Do you actually believe that climbing Mt. Everest at this day and date will separate a person from the masses as you allege earlier?Too many have been there done that to make it special. It's an ego trip that the climbers family and best friends will also forget in 50 years.

It's not exceptional, it's selfish.It all depends on your definition of exceptional.It's a subjective interpretation, that you are correct, is an OPINION and NOT a fact. Your last paragraph does NOT constitute a fact but is your opinion of what constitutes exceptional. I'm sure there have been a number of creeps that have amassed the capital that it takes to be escorted up Everest...not exceptional at all. However there are many more individuals that lead ordinary lives(on which YOU place NO value) who do exceptional things every day...just MY opinion not a fact. You need to grow up!

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

However there are many more individuals that lead ordinary lives(on which YOU place NO value) who do exceptional things every day...just MY opinion not a fact. You need to grow up!

Ok, so now we're down to debating what can be defined as exceptional.

First of all with regards to me placing NO value in ordinary lives. I still volunteer with old people from time to time, and if I saw someone in need of help it's not like I stand around and do nothing. This is merely thinking out of the box from a philosophical perspective. What exactly do humans do other than consume a huge amount of resources and important in their own minds?

Ok, so I asked you to name some exceptional things that normal people do. You just say it, but haven't actually pointed one thing out.

Do you actually believe that climbing Mt. Everest at this day and date will separate a person from the masses as you allege earlier?Too many have been there done that to make it special. It's an ego trip that the climbers family and best friends will also forget in 50 years.

Well, that's true it's certainly getting less special. But to stand at the top of the planet? That's an experience very few will experience, not just in terms of it being special. Just the experience itself.

Everyone can just churn out more babies and make this world an even more overpopulated place. I'm just saying the human species would be far better off if people pushed themselves, and Everest is only an example, not the holy grail.

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

Thank you for your response.

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

PS: You didn't mention for whom you played "back row".. the relevance of your height and weight, and as a rugby veteran I'm sure you are aware of that, your physical size normally dictates what position you play. So were you a bigger/stronger type or smaller/quicker?

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[–] willow_chick88 9 years ago

Question, do you feel the same way about the men and women who work as test pilots? Or the ones who were and are involved in the space program?

"I'm going to need a pot of coffee, 12 Jammy Dodgers, and a fez." - The Doctor

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[–] ConstipatingFool 9 years ago

I think anyone who helps advance mankind through science at the risk of their own lives is admirable. Obviously the intellect of all the scientists and their hard work are also required for the space program to work. Whilst climbing Everest in a commercial expedition obviously isn't like that but a selfish pursuit. I'm just explaining it requires conquering one's fear just like test pilots (a group I brought up as an example), a place most people never get to because most people are controlled by their fear.

Actually trying to explain it to the likes of Woody is kinda pointless, because you either learn to control your fear, push your limits and get it. Or you're fearful and don't get it. It's not something that can be explained, it's something you learn to conquer on your own. Kinda like when you're in pain doing exercise and you grit your teeth and push to limits you thought impossible, but you get there anyway and realize it was all in the mind. People who don't push that hard don't get it.

It's just a totally different mindset. There's 7 billion people in the world and growing rapidly, 230,000 people PER DAY. Like the world needs anymore people who just want to go to the mall. There are very few exceptional people in this world, and most people are so moronically mediocre out of that 7 billion they'll rather cheer on going to the mall than doing exceptional things.

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[–] wooody 9 years ago

Even you should be able to appreciate the difference between brave souls, like test pilots, who put themselves in harms way for the better good of the population in general. As opposed to the narcissistic bastards who do the same for their own insecure selves.

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[–] PeterDuck 9 years ago

These climbers are ego maniacs. They want their names etched in a stone somewhere BEFORE they die.

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[–] Lolinna 9 years ago

It's so common among people to view everything as either black or white, but things are usually far more complicated than that, more like grey.

Of course there are different reasons for instance why some people want to climb Everest, and some less worthy of respect than others, but I look at it as a sign of a narrow-mindedness to paint everyone the same color.

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[–] bcastgrl 9 years ago

Agreed. Tragic and true story. I believe so many people have become anesthetized by Hollywood that when a real story happens all they see are flaws in the storyline.

I had a good friend who died in the mountains 10 years ago & there was so much national hatred & criticism towards this deceased man about how "stupid" he was from total strangers that don't know anything about how harsh conditions can be in the wild. Our friends & I wept about that for a long time. In fact, my friend knew quite a bit about survival techniques, so it was shocking that it would happen to him. That just shows you the power of Mother Nature no matter how much you are prepared.

People can be terrible.

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[–] shanayneigh 9 years ago

they ask nothing of anyone else

Except for the Americans, of course, who asked for a helicopter.

Working in the movie business since -92

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[–] Craytonus_AP 9 years ago

The hate people have for climbers and other people who live dangerous, extreme lifestyles is very simple. Empathy. You can't empathize for someone you don't feel a bond with. It's not just that the climbers are strangers, though that plays a part, it's that the climbers pursuits are entirely separate from those of the viewer.

Take for example the Apollo 13 mission. When those astronauts ventured into space, met disaster, then struggled to make it home alive, the entire world empathized with them, prayed for them, and cheered for them when they made it home safe. Some people criticized NASA afterwards, but no one criticized the astronauts themselves, despite their going into space of their own free will and risking their lives in the name of science. Therein lies the clincher: achievements related to space are considered to be the achievements of humanity itself. Going to the moon was mankind's proudest moment. We as a species had broken the confines of our own earthly home and ventured into the void. When man landed on the moon, humanity landed on the moon. Because of this, astronauts will always be excused for their risk-taking behavior.

Climbers, on the other hand, only achieve in their own name. When the first person reaches the summit of a mountain, it's not an achievement of a country, or of mankind, but an achievement of that individual. As a result, the average person has no personal/emotional attachment to the success or failure of these people.

It's hypocrisy, but it's also reality.

"Tahiti is not in Europe . . . I'm going to be SICK."

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[–] mezobromelia 8 years ago

Because people are jealous that they live boring lives on their couch watching TV and so they like to hate on those who get out and take risks.

Tough luck, chinless

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