I remember In the Film Elizabeth The Golden age with Cate Blanchet.
Elizabeth excecuted a queen Mary, is this that famous Mary Queen of Scotts that she sent to be killed?
So far im liking this show and Kenna reminds me so much to Anne Boleyn, anyway how is it that Mary Queen of Scotts was related to Elizabeth, Mary and Edward the children of Henry VIII?
How did she became to be their Cousin
They are related through the bloodline of Henry VII.
Plus, if you had watched the Tudors, maybe in season 1 episode 2, King Henry VIII and King Francis when they "first met", they referred to each other as "cousins".
If you have time, try "binge watching", the Tudors and then Reign and then Elizabeth: the Golden Age and then Gunpowder Treason and Plot Part 1 and Part II.
That is like watching almost one hundred years of "historical drama".
Thanks for explaining
i watched Tudors and i loved it thats why i checked this one(Reign) because i wanted something as similar as Possible
but while ive enjoyed Reign I'm not liking much the costumes since they look too modern at times and lacks the Tudors language.
Looks quite strange like The Tudors and Gossip Girl in one show. Sure they use The words your Grace your Majesty and get accurate at times but others is too much like Gossip Girl.
Anyway i totally forgot King Francis appeared on The Tudors i watched that show long time ago.
Ive seen many things Tudors related stuff Like The Tudors, The Other Boleyn Girl with Natalie Portman, Both Elizabeth Movies with Cate Blanchet and Anne of the Thousand days.
The Story of Mary Queen of Scotts has been interesting and cant wait for Elizabeth and Bloody Mary to appear in this show
Or won't they appear?
a lot of the Tudors was mentioned in Reign.
I'm doing this by memory:
For example:
In season 3, King Henry VIII wanted to marry Mary De Guise but the French ambassador said that she was already promised to the king of Scotland. And later on in Season 4, we even get a reference to Mary Stuarts birth, as Henry VIII had a meeting his Councillors after the Battle of Solway Moss. Henry VIII mocked King James having not a son, but a daughter.
The Battle of Solway Moss was also mentioned in Reign by Mary and described by the Scottish lord.
And in season 1, Henry VIII was told by a messenger that King Francis had been captured at the Battle of Pavia and Francis mentioned of his bad experienced to Cardinal Wolsey at how he had to make his sons prisoners of Spain as ransom. This was mentioned in Reign by King Henry of France when he had a close bonding moment with Francis II.
Oh at least we got to see the Calais scene in the Tudors and then we get to know it was recaptured by France in Reign.
I could mention a lot of things between the connections of The Tudors and Reign.
Oh, in Reign we only get references of Mary Tudor, but we do get to see Elizabeth Tudor.
That is why I recommend you to watch, Gunpowder, Treason and Plot, because it covers on the aftermath of the death of Mary De Guise and Mary Stuart leaving France and arriving in Scotland.
Now that you remind me i did remember those moments.
With tv series i only watch them once i find them too long for re wacthes so maybe thats why i dont remember every single moment of the Tudors.
I will watch Gunpowder and Treason and Plot to get a better idea and insight of these two characters.
Anyway thanks for the Advance on Elizabeth and one more question does Wallsinham apperas?
He was key part of how Elizabeth Ruled and who was killed and imprissoned during her Reign.
Mary deGuise is the one who sent The Poison dress to Elizbeth and latter killed by Wallsinham in the first film with Cate Blanchett film Elizabeth the Virgin Queen Right?
Even though some might complain on the mixture of modern music with 16th century style but I just love their commitment on their clothing production, especially on the royals.
Did you noticed in most of the important event gatherings, the females especially Queen Catherine would have something on her a neck, something that would "poke her neck" if she tried to "look down" and to ensure her head would always look up.
I only watched it once but I developed a "keen eye" on these things.
In that movie, his name was Sir Francis Walsingham, very inaccurate though.
Oh sorry...If you watch to be mind f--k by 300-500 years of English-Scottish-French-Italian Drama.
Binge Watch at your own leisure-
1. Pillars of the Earth - 12th Century England.
2. World Without End - 14th Century England-France
3. The White Queen - 15th Century England
4. The Borgias - 15th-16th Century "Italy"
5. The Tudors - 16th Century England-France-"Italy"-"Germany"
6. Reign - 16th Century - Scotland - France
7. Gunpowder, Treason and Plot - 16th - 17th Century Scotland - England.
I'm planning on Binge watching these shows maybe in 2018, if there are any new shows coming in.
But maybe if I'm old and retired, I will binged watch shows from Spartacus all the way to modern era series.
Binge Watch at your own leisure-
4. The Borgias - 15th-16th Century "Italy"
If you like the stylistic appeal of "The Tudors" watch this. If you prefer more historical authenticity, watch "Borgia." It is a French-German-Italian produced show (in English) that is a more historically accurate representation of the Borgia family. From what I recall, the creators of both "Borgia" and "The Borgias" discussed working together on one shoe focusing on the family, but they had different views on style, portrayal, etc.
My wife and I watched "Borgia" first. When we tried to watch "The Borgias," we didn't even make it through 5 minutes before calling it sh!t and moved on to something better. My wife loves this time period, reads about it and studies it. She would tell you the same.
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I liked Neil Jordan's version of The Borgias a lot and the cast was great especially Jeremy Irons who was incredible as Rodrigo Borgia but you are making interested in Borgia and see a more accurate take and i bet little less porno.
Yes The Borgias has great acting and story but i know all the showtime, Starz and HBO tv series abuse on sex scenes when it comes to historical shows.
3. The White Queen - 15th Century EnglandThis series gives you an overview, before the Tudor era, of the Wars of the Roses (which inspired the books on which Game of Thrones is based), and up to the first of the Tudors that took the throne.
Or you could crack a book (I know, I know, it's a reactionary idea, but still you might find some answers to your questions).
shareThe King Francis in The Tudors was King Francis I, He became King of France in 1515 after the death of Louis XII. The King Francis in Reign is King Francis II who became King of France many years later upon the death of his father, King Henry II
Mary Queen of Scots was first cousin once removed to all of Henry VIII's children. She was the great granddaughter of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York.
BTW, Queen Elizabeth II is fist cousin 13 times removed to Henry VIII's daughters Mary and Elizabeth but first cousin 12 times removed to Henry VIII's son Edward. Her relationship to Henry's daughters is through her descent from their Paternal Grandparents (Henry II and Elizabeth of York) Her relationship to Henry's son Edward is through her descent from Edward's maternal grandparents (John Seymour and Margery Wentworth).
And all because of Sir Francis Wallsinham miss information.
Most of the times he was very assertive and his gut feelings were right but with Mary he really missed it.
Poor Mary from what ive seen in Reign she really went through a lot and Elizabeth should have understood her and try to think better on that issue.
I liked Elizabeth very much as a queen but this is a very well known fact she wasn't perfect and made mistakes like all human beings
In the Reign verse yes, Mary has been through a lot and Elizabeth should have shown mercy. But in actual history no, Mary hasn't been through all this and it is mostly because of her poor decisions that lead to her beheading. Historically, Mary was the aggressive side in the Elizabeth vs Mary battle. She was the one who challenged Elizabeth for the throne and continued campaigning for it. Now, I wouldn't call Elizabeth the victim but yes, Elizabeth did reply to Mary's challenge with as much shrewdness . Now I wouldn't elaborate much on history but this is the superficial part. Reign is basically a total work of fiction and is watched not as a history lesson but just to see it as eye candy. The main character Mary was nothing like how they have portrayed in the show starting from her appearance to her character. Although I truly enjoy the show there were some moments which were rather grating. I didn't like how they "butchered" certain historical characters like Elizabeth and Diane De Poiters. Once again, I know it's a work of fiction but there are some who actually believe the Reign history . A bit like The Other Boleyn Girl were many readers believed that Anne Boleyn was cruel evil manipulative home breaker.
As I said above I love Reign but I really want a more authentic series based upon Mary Queen Of Scots since her history was way tragic and depressing.
Yes it would be great a more historically accurate show about Mary Stewart but then again it will put her as the good one since she will be the lead.
Im sure the one who makes that more accurate show would still be on her side just like Kapur who directed the Elizabeth films made Elizabeth look like the heroine. I like Elizabeth very much and belive she was a great queen. She had some flaws but she was a really strong woman who also went through a lot, she proved her detractors they were wrong.
Anyway it's quite funny how Elizabeth being the daughter if the mist hatted consort queen became so beloved and Mary Tudor who was the daughter of the most beloved consort queen turned out to be known as Bloody Mary.
Reign has been fine with the few episodes ive seen but id prefer something a little more accurate on Showtime.
Im indecisive to continue.
The story is good but this mixture of Modern and old days stuff is distracting me too much
I don't mind if they villanise Elizabeth so long if her character is well written but sadly it didn't happen. The actress despite giving her the "Elizabeth " look is badly miscast since she seems to be having the same facial expression in almost every emotion and her love story with Dudley is the most boring love story ever. I know Elizabeth wasn't a saint and she did make mistakes during her reign and was rather ruthless when it comes to her enemies but she wasn't a crazy woman like how the makers of Reign portray her to be. Once again it's a historical fiction show but well there are some who actually believe the Reign history.
I understand Sarizonana, Reign can be rather distracting because of the modernism in it. The only way to enjoy the show is to pretend that it's set in some alternate universe. But then again there is always a choice. :)
Ofcourse she was human and im sure everyone has different opinion on her ( Elizabeth) but like you said she has to be well written.
Its too sad they didn't since she is one of most interesting historical figures and the most intriguing queen ever, so its sad they went that far with her to point of being a cartoon of Elizabeth.
Yes the modern stuff are a little too much which is too bad because Mary Stewart started to become a very interesting woman and i liked seing her point of view and i liked that this didn't look like a Porno historical show just like at time The Tudirs and The Borgias looked.
An historically accurate show on Mary Stewart with the ammount of sex Reign had would be the ideal show,im not a prude but the Tudors and The Borgias went a little too far when it comes to sex scenes and im not talking about how explicit the scenes were and im not complaining on the estethics of those scenes since they looked fine its just ridiculous how every in every episode there were 3 sex scenes in each one .
I totally agree with this.
The Tudors history is such an amazing one, and yet they managed to make Elizabeth into a plain boring villain. The actress portraying her has only one facial expression. They had the change to make a great character and they blew it.
Also, I agree with Porno historical, hahaha, when watching them on Netflix I would just ff the scenes.
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It wasn't misinformation. Although it is true that he probably added some false evidence to make the case air tight. The core was true but he wanted Elizabeth to execute Mary which she was very, very reluctant to do. Mary did want Elizabeth deposed and to be Queen of England and Scotland and to return England back to Catholicism.
And the plot that killed her *wasn't* her first plot. She had been styling herself rightful Queen of England for a couple of decades by then. If anything Elizabeth waited far too long. Granted Elizabeth was involved with a plot to overthrow her sister when her sister was Queen. And was very lucky to survive that. So she's no innocent. But neither was Mary. They shared many Tudor character traits really.
Plus, don't forget the only reason she was "imprisoned" in England is because the people of Scotland threw her out after various scandals and France wouldn't have her. Elizabeth never went out of her way to imprison her. She was forced upon her. But once there she couldn't have who Catholics see as the rightful Queen roaming around.
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Mary Stuart's grandmother was Henry VIII's older sister.
shareExactly.
It's pretty hard hard to get a sense of how everyone is related by referring to The Tudors because the writers of that series, apparently having assumed that most television viewers are too simple-minded to keep characters of the same name straight, only gave Henry VIII one sister (he actually had two...one older and one younger) and modeled her after his younger sister, Mary. Then, fearing the audience would confuse her with his daughter, Mary, they completely left out the older sister, Margaret, while naming the character of the younger sister after her.
In life, Margaret was the one who married James IV of Scotland, gave birth to James V, and James V and Mary of Guise were Mary Stuart's parents.
Meanwhile, Henry VIII's younger sister, Mary, was the one who first married Louis XII of France (who was much older), and when he died, she returned to England and married Charles Brandon. They did have children and their descendants included Lady Jane Gray, the "nine days' queen" who was placed on the throne temporarily after Edward VI died.
In any case, because there's an extra generation between Mary Stuart and Henry VII than there is between Elizabeth and Henry VII, they are first cousins once removed. Margaret remarried after James IV died and a grandson from that second union became Mary's second husband, Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, thus how they were first cousins.
Did the Stuarts to descend from Mary and Darnley show signs of being inbred? Well, they were said to have some issues with being too headstrong and making some very foolish and unpopular mistakes.
By the way, another series that ties in (at least for the first season) is Versailles. After the Valois-Angoulême house came to an end (Catherine de' Medici ran out of sons and Salic law prevented women from ruling in France), the Bourbon line came to the throne in the form of Henri III of Navarre (remember Antoine...this was his son and Louis, Prince of Condé's nephew), who became Henri IV of France. His daughter, Henrietta Maria, would marry Mary Stuart's grandson, Charles I (the English king who was beheaded for treason, leading to a temporary republic). When the monarchy is restored to England, Louis XIV is on the French throne and Charles II's youngest sister, Henriette, is married to Louie's younger brother, Phillippe.
Ha, I wouldn't say any Stuart was impaired due to incest. Really, they had no view or opinion that a Tudor monarch didn't nor where they more adament or strongwilled in making it happen. But they lacked the charisma and masculinity (even the females) of the Tudors. Even the much maligned Mary had that country bent to her will in her short reign in a way James never could in his long one. Elizabeth was a master at saying pretty words but not giving an inch of her authority away. The Stuarts didn't have that skill.
Plus, their real problem was money. They never had enough (and needed it from Parliament). Elizabeth was infamously cheap. She never spent a dime she didn't have to. (Any Elizabethan architecture or art wasn't commissioned by Elizabeth she just encouraged her courtiers to spend.) And she was single with no kids. So, she didn't have expenses related to apartments for all of them. James spent money like crazy and had his wife and kids to think of. He would spend more during peacetime than Elizabeth did in war (war is very expensive, which is why she hated it.) He and Parliament never got on because of it.
I don't think any film or show has touched on how frugal and careful with money Elizabeth was. But it's really the key in understanding why things fell apart so quickly with the Stuarts. Elizabeth didn't want to give into demands of Parliament so she arranged her life so that she'd seldom need anything from them. The Stuarts didn't want to give into the demands of Parliament but arranged their lives so they'd have to constantly ask then for money.
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Very interesting facts about Elizabeth. I didn't know she was that careful with Money and very smart moves well brains is part of what made her such a great and successful queen.
Mary was a very kind queen and sadly that was her weakness, to rule a country she had to be a little more evil. Elizabeth wasn't a witch but did what she had to when it came to the important desicions.
I like Mary Stuart a lot but im team Elizabeth. Not this show's Elizabeth But the One we saw in The films Elizabeth and Elizabeth the golden age with Kate Blanchett.
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