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Sarah Treem should be sacked by Showtime!


Showrunners have been fired for much less than this piss poor writing.

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I wish the Original would come back. I'm so curious as to what he had planned.

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Wait, isn't she the creator of The Affair?

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Co creator I think

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Co-creator with Hagai Levi. He left after season two. This season's mess was all on her.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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He left much earlier actually. He left early on during the first season. It has all been her ever since.

Interview is from 2014

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4607929,00.html

Edited to add: Personally I think he left after ep4 during season 1. I feel there is a shift to a faster pace and a more commercial feel to it. Not sure how else to express it. To Sarah Treems defense she has pretty heavy hinted at constant network interference as to how the story should go so she might not be the only one to blame.

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Thanks. I'm definitely late to The Affair party. I just started binge watching a couple of weeks ago and must have confused reading some posts here talking about the network not granting a fourth season and when Levi left. My bad. Sorry.

NOTE: It's showing Levi as Executive Producer through the end of season 1, then season 2 he disappears, and S02E01 was written by Treem, produced by Jeffrey Reiner. Same with S02E02.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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I wish he would have stayed but I very much understand his reason. It shows his integrity towards what he is creating. He was there when they received the Golden Globe although he was no longer attached to the show. I thought that was nice.

From other interviews it sounds like he and Sarah Treem have a personal friendship and even later on he would never say a bad word about the show or the writing just how the production is run which points more towards the network.

Too bad really, it could have been such a fantastic show.

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I think he left mid season two

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It can certainly lead to a show's inconsistency that's for sure.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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No, he left early season 1. He's Israeli and has made no bones about not wanting to do commercial work, and of course, that's not how American Television works. He'd rather have more freedom in a small Israeli market than be harnessed by a big cable channel with expectations.

He and Sarah have worked together and are very good friends. She probably kept him a bit grounded, and he's super creative but doesn't care if the audience likes his work or not.




Damn right we're snowflakes! Winter is coming!

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I believe in the trivia it says mid season two. There's nothing in the article provided that suggests any real end date.

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Good find. Exactly.

(From the Trivia section):

"The series was co-created by Hagai Levi and Sarah Treem. However, Levi retired from writing the series during the second season. His stated reason was that the show was moving away from what he had envisioned. Treem was therefore "the best person" to author the show from that point on."

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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Trivia is user entered. It's not reliable. There are tons of articles and interviews written in the same year the show first aired that make it clear he decided to leave early season one:

When production of the show got into high gear, Levi realized that his vision for the show was changing before his very eyes and decided to leave and return to Israel to put his energy into the Israeli show “Cursed” on the HOT network.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4607929,00.html

I think they mean "Accursed" which he worked on in 2014.


This doesn't talk about his departure, but it's interesting:

Sarah Treem: I am a big believer in format. Hagai thinks of himself as not so much as a writer but more as like a creator, an inventor of television formats. He”s not quite as interested in the minutiae of what happens every episode. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2699110/




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Thank you for that interesting interview. I definitely feel the tension between the Arthouse and Network pull of the series as they introduced yet another "whodunit?" and even a Columbo style "we know who dunit." In fairness, writers have to take risks to expand an initial idea and the downside can mean falling short. Gunther talking about the unreliability of memory was too self consciously meta and characters fighting with phantoms rarely works, in my opinion.

However, expanding the characters has been worthwhile, once I got past my prejudice against the French on screen. The scene where hope is slowly crushed during the Alzheimer lucidity episode was beautifully played and directed and that is always the show's great asset. They just need to cut the Sam Spade for five minutes.

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Absolutely. She killed this show.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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Though Season 3 has been bad, this show has always had a limited concept. And, I personally was only interested because I wanted to know who killed Scotty.

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I didn't realize Hagai Levi left after season 2. I thought it was after season 1. Knowing that, I'm pretty disappointed in her leadership. This season just wasn't interesting and drifted too far away from the show's original direction.

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I could be wrong but I thought another poster stated that he'd left after season 2. It might have been season 1. If so, my bad. But either way, season 3 was all on Treem and while I actually liked a lot of season 3, the finale was total trash and proved she is clueless. (Maybe the dynamic was that whoever was running the show didn't know until the last minute if there'd be a season 4, so the season 3 finale might have been pulling double duty as the series finale up until the show got extended to a 4th season.)

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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No. Early season one.


Damn right we're snowflakes! Winter is coming!

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No. Early season one.
Uhm...no. Somewhere during season 2. It's stated explicitly in the Trivia section.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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That stuff is not reliable, it's entered by viewers. You or I could go change it if we wanted. Do a search, there are plenty of articles written in 2014 talking about Levi's exit from the show, which didn't air until 2014. Some discussions on Reddit ask why he left the show before the first episode even aired. He left very early in the show. He gets credited for all seasons because he was co-creator but he did not stick around much past that.







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Co-creator is one thing. Executive producer is something entirely different. He stopped being credited with being executive producer starting season 2. But he received that credit throughout the entire season 1.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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she should be sacked for turning this show into her own personal audience study, she's sick, and wanted to see how many people she could turn into Alison

You see the destruction that she-beast laid? I'm being risk-averse, considering.

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I read an interesting interview with Levi and he basically said he saw that the show was heading in a direction he didn't like so he split.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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I've only started watching since season 3, don't think I'd like season 1 or 2 if it was nothing like this.

You see the destruction that she-beast laid? I'm being risk-averse, considering.

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In my opinion, you are doing yourself a great disservice. Seasons 1 and 2 are generally liked and well received by critics and viewers alike. Season 3 has had a lukewarm reception.

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Honestly this show has a short shelf life plot wise in some ways so it should have simply been a limited series show.

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^^^^This.

"Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier 'n puttin' it back in." -- Will Rogers

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