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spoiler Just watched S03E07 and read about all the fuzz...

posted 8 years ago by yesqwardo
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... and I gotta say, I am surprised that this kind of people watches this show. I am very surprised, because I 100% do not belong in this group. So basically, here's my understanding:
People got mad, because a character died. Here are the reasons:
1. It was apparently a bad way to go out
2. It was gay character and killing this character was a "disgrace to LGBT community"
Holy sh*t. Here is my point of view:
1. I guess people are so fed with Hollywood bullcrap, where main character must survive, and if he is to die, he must go out in a glorious way. And it makes me sad that this standard is a thing that made viewers of this show rate this episode (or show) horribly. People die in many stupid ways. It just happens. Yes, it wasn't perfectly written, but the whole show isn't, so you shouldn't be making bad writing as your excuse now. In my opinion, it was very tragic and sad in its own way, that this character wasn't given this glorious death, but that doesn't mean I will bash this episode because IT WAS EXPECTED of the show to give this characer a glorious death.
2. Oh god. My mind stopped at the stupidity, when I read all the negative reviews from people who support the LGBT community. What surprised me most, is that I support LGBT too, and my opinion on this is so much different. Basically, these people expected this character to be bulletproof and survive through everything, BECAUSE IT'S GAY, and killing it is wrong because it's a strong representative of LGBT comm. and that's literally it. That is their reasoning behind the negative reviews. So if Lexa was straight, it would be OK to kill her? Is this your so-called "equality"? Cause all that truly support LGBT should be fighting against the standards, and should think that all people are equal, no matter your orientation. And that happened. Showrunners killed a character that happened to be gay. And I bet it wouldn't be the same, if the character was straight- IT WOULD BE ACCEPTED MUCH MORE EASILY. And that is, in no way, equality.

[–] Cosima324 8 years ago

Here's a little insight- if you're interested....

The point of the uproar was due to the fact that there were a lot of gay character deaths in the recent past. On the surface, that may seem like a, "Yah, so what- there were a lot of straight character deaths too." However, when you look at it from a statistical perspective- the percentage of lesbian character deaths when compared to actual lesbian characters was statistically significant and rather large.

While it may seem like there are a TON of lesbian and gay characters in tv, there really aren't. It has increased over the years, sure- however, characters have predominantly remained straight. According to the Washington Post, the tv season of 2015-2016 had 35 main characters that were identified as LGBT. That's 4% of the 881 overall characters on tv. In 2016 alone, 10 lesbian or bisexual characters alone were killed- that's 29%. Looking at hard numbers means nothing, looking at percentages tells a story.

I'm not saying that I agree, or disagree- I'm just saying that seems to be the basis of the actual uproar and the bury your gays trope, or whatever it's called.

"This organism and derivative genetic material is restricted intellectual property."

[–] Kolegus 8 years ago

So why bash the 100?

[–] Kolegus 8 years ago

Not to mention a lot of communities don't get much representation in movies/TV less so then the LGBT so be glad they are even in it at all.

[–] gemjudith 8 years ago

Besides, I hope I'm wrong but I don't think the upcoming Trump's presidency is very willing to let LGBT representation appear on the mass media as often as they've been doing it. I fear they will have rough times ahead.

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

You're correct in your analysis of the larger issue, but attacking The 100 specifically was the wrong way to go. They could attack other shows, they could attack tv at large, but The 100 was clearly the wrong target. Other shows, like The Walking Dead, killed off LGBT character(s) for little to no reason. The 100's character death forever changed the plot of the show, and was mandated due to the actresses' schedule. For these reasons, I don't think the attacks directed specifically towards The 100 were because of the larger issue, it was because Lexa specifically died.

[–] Cosima324 8 years ago

Hey- you're right and this, I can't answer! I can only guess that there's a huge fan base for Lexa and they are extremely vocal!?

"This organism and derivative genetic material is restricted intellectual property."

[–] hihihi-42 8 years ago

I think a lot of them are young so they have twitter which allows them to be more vocal. TWD and even Orange is the New Black (which had a lesbian woc die) are more sexually explicit or violent so they cater to more mature demographics.

The 100 is trying to lose it's 'teeny' image but I think it still attracted a lot of younger people at the beginning. And like the other comment said, they were targeting LGBT youth on social media to watch the show so those fans were probably already very vocal on twitter and extra angry when their sole reason to watch was gone.

[–] troyplafond 8 years ago

I don't understand why Lexa was their sole reason to watch, when the main female bisexual character is still alive, as well as a gay couple.

[–] hihihi-42 8 years ago

Yeah. I get why a lot of them were upset but to try and cancel the show that has all of this representation is pretty selfish imo. Lexa is the only rep they care about.

If they were just here because they were told about the clexa relationship I guess it doesn't matter if Clarke's bisexual or there's another gay couple because clexa doesn't exist anymore.

[–] Cosima324 8 years ago

I think you hit the nail on the head! Targeted the younger generation and the amount of social media among that generation is staggering. Yah!

"This organism and derivative genetic material is restricted intellectual property."

[–] aya-ar 8 years ago

1- Don't care about Lexa being gay or not, I just found her death scene very poorly written and it could have happened in a million better ways (even J.rot said that later) even if not so very "glorious" death and there is no questions about that. Bad writing is bad writing no matter what excuses you make up for it. However poorly written wasn't a reason for basing but #2 will explain why..

2- Again, her being gay or bi or straight wasn't the issue BUT the gay baiting the writers did on Twitter constantly was and still is. Go take a look at their tweets promising young LGBT kids on Twitter things that they didn't deliver just to make them watch the show and when hell broke loose, they had to "apologize" for it, well acknowledging a mistake when done is good but I just hope it was a sincere apology because baiting young fans falsely to watch a show regardless of its genre is just wrong. Do you think if the writers hadn't been doing their baiting constantly with the fans and promising them cheerful things, would the fans be this angry? I doubt.
I'm just glad the actors didn't engage in this kind of false publicity when it was being spread. Ffs, did you forget how they "accidentally" leaked season 2 Clexa kiss in some promo or a trailer and said it was "by mistake omg how did it get there" then later admit that they did mean to put it there to clearly attract LGBT viewers..this kind of bs was just lame coming from a bunch of grown up supposedly professionals.

It looks like you weren't following the events then, go take a look and you'll understand more. (not defending anyone, just stating facts that were happening then)

Lets just hope this mess is all forgotten by now.

Aya A.R

[–] linbrikat 8 years ago

Lets just hope this mess is all forgotten by now.

I wish it was! It seems to be worse than ever. There's complaints now that season 3 has been released on US Netflix because the 'I love you' which was dubbed into the last episode when Clarke and Lexa met in the City of Light, wasn't in the Netflix version. Again, they've said that this was a mistake.

I was thinking about this yesterday when I watched an interview with some of the Walking Dead cast which was recorded before the current season began. The interviewer asked Jeffrey Dean Morgan who Negan was going to kill in the first episode and he said 'nobody who's sitting here'. This turned out to be a monumental lie because one of the people he killed WAS sitting there. So The 100 isn't the only show where fans have been misled. I haven't heard of any uproar or trying to get The Walking Dead cancelled though.

[–] hihihi-42 8 years ago

Every time I think that the antis are dying down, some big news about S4 comes out and the comments are filled with them again. It's so obvious that they added in the "I love you" afterwards unless you're purposely trying not to see it, so I don't know why they care so much. You shouldn't need the characters to say it to validate their relationship.

I think the writers should have just ignored it like they did when the ILY wasn't in the DVDs. They should stop pandering, addressing the people boycotting the show just makes it worse. If they want to address the confusion they should've been more clear on whether they have 2 or 6 months left from the beginning since that actually matters.

[–] gemjudith 8 years ago

"I think the writers should have just ignored it like they did when the ILY wasn't in the DVDs. They should stop pandering, addressing the people boycotting the show just makes it worse. If they want to address the confusion they should've been more clear on whether they have 2 or 6 months left from the beginning since that actually matters."

I totally agree with this! In S1 I remember JRoth said that no matter what the fans wanted, he was going to write his story as planned from the beginning, yet S3 was a mess because of the pandering to fans and JRoth's lack of objectivity since he's or was Lexa's fan n. 1.

There have come out to light a lot of S3 deleted scenes, mainly involving scenes with Arkers, not a single scene involving Lexa. It speaks for itself.

I wish the writers were focused on a compelling & solid plot and didn't lose their minds because a recurrent character catches the attention of the fans.

[–] hihihi-42 8 years ago

There have come out to light a lot of S3 deleted scenes, mainly involving scenes with Arkers, not a single scene involving Lexa. It speaks for itself.

That's such a good point! I really can't believe they cut some of the deleted scenes, like Bellamy telling Octavia why they couldn't trust Trikru or the Murphy/Emori sex scene which is really important for Murphy's development.

I think you're right, i haven't seen a single deleted scene with Lexa in it. They prioritized her like a main character when she was only a guest star and I think it led to a lot of the other problems during the season. Jason says he's telling his own story and doesn't pander but it really seems like he does. The pandering doesn't even make sense anymore because a lot of them won't be watching season 4 (and why are they pandering to the people who harassed the writers anyway?)

I hope it doesn't continue next year. If they constantly show Clarke grieving it will be really obvious that they still are, because she already got half a season worrying over the chip and hardly a single mention of her life-long best friend Wells after he died.

[–] gemjudith 8 years ago

It's been a while since I stopped trusting the writers&Jason. Their contradictions, the baiting, their pandering to a sector of fans and poor writing make it extremely difficult but since they opted to stay quiet I'm feeling slightly hopeful. Maybe they learnt a lesson? We'll see...

I hope they won't give Clarke a new love interest, she has had enough and should be alone for a while, it doesn't mean she has to be half season grieving for Lexa because it would just be ridicule that her loss was sadder than Wells, Finn or any other of her friends.

[–] hihihi-42 8 years ago

I hope they'll keep her single at least until the end of the season too. I really miss Clarke being independent and sassy! She wasn't herself this season at all. The writers probably won't put her in a relationship anytime soon, but then again she's almost always been with someone so I guess we'll see. I don't know who they'd put her in a relationship with yet anyway. Unless they introduce another new love interest, which I would not be a fan of, the only potential partner I could see right now is Bellamy but if that ever happens I'm guessing it won't be until the end of the series.

[–] gemjudith 8 years ago

"She wasn't herself this season at all".

THIS. Many people began to dislike Clarke, including myself, because she acted absolutely out of character. Eliza herself said she couldn't connect with her character for most of the season. IMO that was the worst S3 mistake , out of all the mistakes the writers&Jason made.

As for Clarke's romantic life, they're using the overused trope of giving her a lot of love interests, a few of them won't even make sense, till the ending where she will get together with the man she should have been from the beginning, her best friend, her partner and co-leader in the best and worst moments of her life, so I guess it will all depend on when they're planning to end the show.

[–] linbrikat 8 years ago

I wish the writers were focused on a compelling & solid plot and didn't lose their minds because a recurrent character catches the attention of the fans.

Couldn't agree more. Let's hope they've learned their lesson and season 4 turns out better than 3. At the moment, I'm fairly optimistic.

[–] gemjudith 8 years ago

It would be really hard than S4 was worse than S3, lol, so we can be fairly optimistic, anyway I don't want to get my hopes up..

[–] aya-ar 8 years ago

Lol I didn't know about the Netflix thing, what is being said instead anyways? And yea it was obvious that it was dubbed..

I know what you mean about cast members lying or whatever, but thing is, in TWD example you included now, Jeffrey simply didn't wanna spoil anything, this happens all the time, he didn't give Glenn or Ebraham fans false hope, he didn't say they'll be happy or that more stuff is there for them. I'm talking about baiting (not just LGBT) as in luring teenagers that believe anything the show creators say and stay tuned for it only for them to watch the opposite of it happening on the screen. I'll give you an example, everyone on the internet knew how big Stiles/Lydia (Stedia or whatever) ship from Teen Wolf fans are since season 1, in the finale season trailer the show creators were honest and showed Stiles say "remember I love you" to Lydia, without spoiling anything, they just gave fans something they that DID happen and had them interested with honesty, they didn't go around for the past 5 seasons giving them false hope or falsely publicize the couple knowing that they have the biggest fanbase on the show, they didn't say "oops we included that part in the trailer by mistake sorry" and they even gave each of them different love interests during the past
5 seasons without tweeting daily about them being endgame then disappoint fans.

Decent show writers should just write their show however they want and no one can blame them as long as they didnt falsely gave them info that turned out to be just fake publicity for viewers to stay tuned. This kind of bs doesn't affect maybe people like you or me, but we're talking about fans that form "SHIPS" ffs, this means a whole new level of obsession and a possibility of being of young age which means easily affected emotionally as well.

I'm glad they at least stopped saying any spoily details about the show on SM anymore.

Aya A.R

[–] linbrikat 8 years ago

he didn't give Glenn or Ebraham fans false hope

But that's exactly what he did! He said that nobody sitting there was going to die but Glenn WAS sitting there and he DID die. He had a lot of fans and they were misled into thinking he was safe when he wasn't. Sorry but to me that's worse than Clexa fans being told 'there's always hope' which is just a vague statement meaning it could go either way. If they chose to interpret that as meaning Lexa was definitely safe, they really fooled themselves.

[–] wickedthatway-40377 8 years ago

My personal uproar about this was not that it was an attack on any specific group, more like an attack on the concept of Love itself. You had two people from two completely different elements. Lexa who was trained to be cold and ruthless and who had basically hardened her emotions to have no weakness and Clarke who despite the odds still tried to find the best solution where everyone could "win" and be compassionate. In a nutshell, they complimented each other. Clarke pretty much had no choice but to kill the first person she fell in love with, who mind you in a way also betrayed her. It was this first encounter you could see that Lexa obviously had feelings for her because Clarke pretty much stoled their justice but Lexa Let It Go. Then Lexa ultimately betrayed Clarke by making a deal with the mountain. Clarke had every reason to hate Lexa and in fact told her she would kill her. Despite all this Lexa in the end really cared about Clarke and after all Lexa had done to Clarke neither could fight nor deny their love. It didn't matter what else was going on you could see that were determined to be together and fighting internal conflicts about their love and "people". Clarke had to bow to her Commander yet you could see in Lexas eyes that Clarke was her queen that she would bow to.
Finally after all this build-up and they are able to share a moment together... After all the battles that Lexa has been through after all that has been achieved... Lexa accidentally gets fatally shot walking into the room by a gun that her flamekeeper isn't even supposed to have.
So despite all the turmoil, all the resistance Lexa gets for caring about a sky person, all the hate and betrayal that Clarke has, all the conflict of how things should be handled... love had prevailed and then was destroyed by something so asinine.

[–] kelseyj93 8 years ago

I think this just tends to happen on some tv shows. At least the recent ones influenced by social media, cons and such.

Writers make their decisions (and fans can never really know why cause they don't usually divulge) and the involved fans have to deal with any consequences.

You saw that scene as an attack on love. I see your point. To me it was just time for them to shake things up with our characters and unfortunately this time they chose 'a death' as the means. Another show (the main one I follow) Once Upon a Time is apparently a show about hope and family...that's what I've heard and hear at interviews all the time. Yet they continue to kill/remove characters from relationships or separate parents from children to fulfill the plot or try to over dramatize the characters' lives.

How significant can death/separation really be to characters if it is always happening...just with various characters?

[–] oscarmikic 8 years ago

Hear, hear!

[–] mistywomac 8 years ago

I read a lot of the negative comments and stuff when Lexa died, but wasn't she from another show anyway? She could only be in a handful of episodes, right??
I didn't understand why everyone was calling for cancellation.

[–] linbrikat 8 years ago

Only a small minority were calling for cancellation but they made (and continue to make) an awful lot of noise about it. I can fully understand their reasons for being upset - they were misled by the showrunner and the writers into thinking Lexa would survive the season - but to try to get a show cancelled and put hundreds of people out of work, including probably many from the LGBT community was a total overreaction. Remember that most of them are very young and impressionable.

Yes, Alycia Debnam-Carey stars in Fear the Walking Dead and was only 'on loan' to The 100 for 7 episodes but her fans still think she could have come back in season 4 - in fact some of them are still campaigning for her to be included in the last two episodes which haven't been filmed yet, but if they really think that's going to happen, they're living in a fantasy world.

*spoiler* Just watched S03E07 and read about all the fuzz...

spoiler Just watched S03E07 and read about all the fuzz...