Izzy and Tom are monsters


Here is the thing about this book - the tag line is something about there being gray areas between right and wrong

But the scenario presented in this book is just wrong. Keeping a baby that washes up because you've had some miscarriages? Dreadful.

And the bloke, Tom, he even knows it. Except his psycho wife has him so under the thumb he folds and keeps the baby.

Here is what you do. Report that you found a baby. Maybe the mother is dead and no one wants it and you might be able to adopt it. Or maybe the mother is alive and she gets her baby back.

Don't get me wrong, the book was written at about a grade 3 level (whole sections of it were embarrassing), so I didn't expect great moral complexity or depth. I hope that they are able to at least make it seem like a genuine moral quandary in the movie.

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Shucks, I so wish I hadn't read your post, I was really looking forward to reading the book (I have not yet read the book, I have it reserved at my library) and seeing the film. Instead, I'll be thinking about what you said here while I read it. However, I can't argue that you're absolutely right - not about them being monsters, however, they're just human - but about not reporting their finding and just keeping the baby, which is a mistake. With that being said, I do know something about miscarriages, in that they mess with your mind, make you feel damaged, broken...and desperate. I'm not justifying or excusing their actions, not at all, but I can understand why they did it.

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Don't give up on the book before you've read it. Yes, the two characters make some poor choices in it, but their motivations are well drawn and I always understood exactly where they were coming from. That doesn't mean there weren't times when I absolutely wanted to strangle Tom for letting Izzy go on with it. It was well worth the read, though. If you've had personal experiences with miscarriage/stillbirth, it'll punch you in the gut.

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yes it’s a great book. It explores the motivations/losses of all characters involved and is well written.
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Read the book. I guarantee you will want to see the movie as much if not more the book is actually very good (and not grade 3 level!).

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I'm now reading the book, but I'm not very far yet. Tom and Isabel were just married and are just starting their life together.

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While they made very bad choices I don't think they were bad people. Yes what they did, it was wrong, but I think he loved his wife VERY much and saw her happiness. They didn't REALIZE the impact of what they did, but in the end Tom DID make it right.

I liked the book a lot and I am very excited for the movie :)

Now can SOMEBODY PLEASE make The Aviator's Wife a movie?! PLEASE! Now THAT would be epic.

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And? humans make all kinds of bad and knowingly harmful choices with no malice like this.

It is part of the complexity of people.

Take adoption from war zones, or even often adoption in general. For a long time people have known that often adoptions from war zones one or both parents are often alive and the child taken under improper circumstances.

With many normal adoptions, more so of babies from the third world the mother is a minor and not in any other field of law allowed to sign away any rights, yet for adoption a 16 year old mother is often allowed to sign away rights.
Is it right to allow a 17 year old girl to sign away rights to her baby when we wont even allow people that age to sign a contract of any kind, even say to take a loan? A loan is more reversible than giving a child up for adoption. Especially given the emotional state and even possible duress they may be under?

I don't think the book justifies the actions of the main characters.



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Yup. Real life adoption is often just as morally questionable and reprehensible as the scenario presented in this story.

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I really felt like Tom was so desperate to heal Isabel and couldn't help her, and he couldn't handle that. She was the one who was the monster. I've had a miscarriage recently (not a stillbirth), and it's a rough thing to deal with. But Isabel fell short at every opportunity. About 3/4 through the novel I just absolutely hated her. She is just horrid.

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so you find a dingy with a dead man and a baby and you take it in and raise it as your own and that's a BAD thing? are you high? did you want them to swing the boat back into the water with the baby with a note attached 'if this baby's mother is found, here you go'.

you're all drunk. i would have kept it too.

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Apparently you have neither read the book nor seen the movie? Isabel puts Tom in a position in which he potentially could be executed. She's not just a sad, grieving woman who's had two miscarriages and a stillbirth. She's pretty abhorrent.

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What? They had contact with the mainland. The husband was planning to get authorities to come and get the child ASAP. I'm guessing you didn't see the movie...

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The title of this post is preposterous. Neither Tom nor Isabel is a monster.

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Lightning Girl....Everyone is different. Isabel suffered two miscarriages, and it seemed like she was much father along in her second pregnancy. She longed to love a baby and she desperately wanted one. She wasn't a monster, she had no idea that the mother of this baby was alive. Her motherly instincts came out and I guess when she held that baby she didn't want to let go. You have to remember she was in a very vulnerable stage, she just lost her baby, and this little one appears out of no where. I would have done the same thing. Plus she probably knew she would not be able to have children, she couldn't carry them to full term and in that time they didn't have the resources they do now. So that was her only hope. BTW she was a great mom, who loved and raised a happy child!! A monster, I don't think so....

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Lightninggirl:

"But Isabel fell short at every opportunity. About 3/4 through the novel I just absolutely hated her. She is just horrid."

I agree with you. Halfway through the movie I wanted to throttle Alicia Vikander. I mean the actress. I was so irritated at the character that I even wanted to take it out on the actress :-)

And when she's ready to let Tom go down for murder, that was the final straw.

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Oh, lord have mercy, I haven't seen the movie yet but if you wanted to throttle the actress that doesn't bode well! It does mean Vikander did a good job portraying the selfishness of the character and the writing was good, but man. Between the hatred I have toward Isabel and the sobbing, I may need to skip viewing this film! :0

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing (about myself)- like,cool down, woman!

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But the scenario presented in this book is just wrong. Keeping a baby that washes up because you've had some miscarriages? Dreadful.
Of course it's wrong. I don't see how it's possible to watch the film and come away with another impression. The film broke my heart. That is not easy to do.

...Rage, unconfronted, takes its own path ... X-Files

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I borrowed the film from the library in 2017, unfortunately the DVD malfunctioned near the end. Anyhow, a captivating and heart wrenching film. Yes both were wrong, but I felt sympathy for them as well. I plan to read the book eventually as well.

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I guess YMMV; I didn't find any sections of the book to be lacking, let alone embarrassing, just written in a very straightforward and simple way. I actually thought the prose beautiful, something that hasn't happened in a long time for me. Also, I couldn't condemn Tom and Isabel for keeping the baby. I could understand what they did, while also understanding it's wrong. It's very easy separating right and wrong in somebody else's life, but much harder in your own, especially when it comes to things that matter.

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i've just come home from seeing the film and while my opinion of them keeping the child hasn't changed, my opinion of tom changed. what a horrible awful person to do what he did to his wife 4 years later! spare me all the guilt, trauma BS, if my husband betrayed me like that, we'd be divorced by sundown!

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I haven't seen the movie, so I can't speak about Fassbender's portrayal; I was speaking solely about the book. I, too, found his eventual cave-in to pressure far worse (for everyone) than his initial willingness to keep the baby. I also found Isabel's vengefulness much more problematic than her decision to not report the foundling baby. But again, while I can condone none of these actions, I still can understand why and how they made them. I can even imagine myself doing the same (though I hope I wouldn't). This, IMO, is good writing.

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Uhhhh yeah he's horrible for wanting a
mother to be reunited with her child.

Take a long look in the mirror. Next you'll be telling us you support the kidnapper/rapist from Room

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ok this is getting ridiculous. the oversimplification of this film just shows how small people's brains are. when a message in a bottle gets thrown in the ocean and someone finds it, is that stealing property? NO. so a baby washing up ashore in a dingy with a dead father IS NOT KIDNAPPING.

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when a message in a bottle gets thrown in the ocean and someone finds it, is that stealing property? NO. so a baby washing up ashore in a dingy with a dead father IS NOT KIDNAPPING.


It may not be kidnapping, but you can't compare a message in a bottle with a live baby girl. Tom had a moral and legal obligation to report this to the authorities, and he knew it. Due to his wife's pressures, he did not fulfill his duties, so there was a crime here, unquestionably. And when he found out that the mother was alive, he still did not come clean.

The punishments he and his wife received were just. I wouldn't call them "monsters." I would call them people who did not use good judgment.

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Haha you're complaining about oversimplification and then compared their situation to a message in a bottle. Apparently you don't even realize how foolish that is.

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MarkVoyager.....You don't uproot a child from the only mother she knows. Tom didn't do that to reunite them, he did that because of guilt, to ease his conscious. He betrayed his wife and child, by doing what he did. That is so idiotic of you to compare them to that rapist from the Room, really?? That is night and day. They were loving parents who rescued a baby. They gave her love, and a great home and family. That little girl was happy!!! Far from them being like the people in the room, that is laughable and you should check yourself.

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Sunchick.....You are the only sane person on here. I would have done the same thing. I would have kept the baby. Who would have thought that the mom was even alive. They took the baby in thinking she had no other family. I was wondering why it took so long for her husband to see that. Why go to the authorities and have the possibility of having that baby going into an orphanage, when they could have cared for her. They did nothing wrong.

I hated Tom for betraying her like that. If he would have kept his mouth shut, they would have lived a happy life. He betrayed his wife and daughter, 4 years with a child?? Where was his love, and how could he have so easily given up his child and destroyed his wife.

Why would anyone call her a monster, she was a great mom. She lost two babies, and couldn't have any of her own. She was far from being a monster and people are so judgmental. Hannah, didn't have a heart, because if I saw how sad my child was, ripping her away from the only mom she loved, that is evil. She thought only of herself not her child. Blood doesn't make you a parent, selfless love, and putting that child before your needs, which Isabel did that at the end. She stayed away for the sake of her child. That was true love!!.

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thank you for this post. I lost my faith in humans reading this thread.

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omg I agree.

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I had to disagree about the blood part. Family is family, although cruelty and heartache sometimes taint the connection sadly. However, I also wished the husband had kept his mouth shut. Maybe they could have told the daughter as a teen or adult the truth, and if she wished, form a connection with the birth mom. But I understand the husband's point of view a little bit. That would have been cruel to let the mom think her baby was dead.

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In the movie their parenthood over the girl for the next several years and was displayed before the fact of discovery that the mother was still around. This was already well into the years of the daughter thinking her parents were Izzy and Tom and at the same time both parents discovering the same. That's what's so impacting. Had they known about the mother before taking the child in, they would have been more on the "monster" scale. Upon finding the child they began living that fantasy for the following years until Weisz shows up. In a way it's presented a lot better in the film than in the book, especially with regards to the performances.

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You talk about the book which I didn't read so I have my opinion based on the movie:
I think what makes it a (beautiful) tragedy is that there are no real bad guys in the story.

I think when we judge Isabell we have to consider she was in unimaginable emotional pain in the first place. She not only lost two children but probably was trying to process that most likely she would never be able to have one. They could never become a „real” family. Then out of the blue a baby appears who doesn’t seem to belong to anyone. When not just your ’soul’ but your body, your hormones were all making you ready to become a mother. No woman could just set that aside. It must have felt to her like a miracle, a gift of god or faith. It’s just too much of a coincide to see it as random if you were in Isabel’s shoes. And it’s not like they stole/kidnap her, they found her, for god’s sake, it’s hardly the same thing. They didn’t actually know whether or not the baby had a family but Isabel chose not to risk when they got what they longed for. Not to risk the baby landing in an orphanage, or stuck with unfit parents. And yes, not to risk finding out she had blood relatives. As in situations as this people more often choose the alternative which is in their best interest to believe in so she chose not to think about the real family/relatives.

I think Tom first partly due to his solder past felt it as his duty to report, also he was portrayed as a „good man” so he felt it was the righteous thing to do. But he loved Isabel who in the movie seemed to be a kind and joyful person and made him alive again but who has been suffering terribly lately. Not because she “had him under the thumb” but because they loved each other he wandted to see her happy, make her happy. At that point they didn’t know if there was somebody that would miss the baby so he gave in. But when it became clear that Lucy is in fact Grace and he saw Hannah’s pain he felt regret for her. He wanted to make her feel better so he wrote the letter and later when his guilt got stronger he sent the toy. Isabel anger at him was because she felt betrayed that their family, their happy life together as a family wasn’t on the top of Tom’s list as it should have been. Guess Tom could see the situation more clearly as he didn’t go through as much intense emotions as Isabel. With time Isabel realized and accepted why Tom did what he did that’s why she told the truth at last.

All three of the main characters were vulnerable, and I guess you can see it as Isabel and Tom didn’t made the right decision when they were in a state of grief by keeping the baby but that doesn't make them monsters in the context of the story. Their losses, their desires, their weaknesses and mistakes what makes all three of them very much human.

I think if someone simplifies the story so that they just should have reported the baby and by not doing so they are awful people (or even monsters) then he/she didn’t understand what was the story about. He/she probably didn’t really understand their MOTIVATIONS, their struggles, their feelings – their story. Maybe it’s because the book was lame or for some or other reason they just can’t begin to understand what it feels like to be a mother or to want something so much it hurts or they just enjoy judging the characters to feel superior or whatever.
However the movie is a good drama: it doesn’t miss the moral complexity or depth if you feel with the characters. If you can’t that’s just your loss.

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Our GREENLIGHTReviews critics had mixed reviews for this film. Ann Elder thought that this asked important moral questions that made you think about your own moral choices. However, Les Roberts was uncomfortable with this these questions, so he didn't enjoy the film as much as Ann. However, they agree about much of the beautiful cinematography and acting performances, so they think it has a chance at the Oscars. For further analysis, listen to their full review:

https://www.thefrontporchpeople.com/greenlightreviews/the-light-between-oceans

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