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Is Donna the new Joe/interview w/Kerry


An interview with Kerry and what she thinks about where Donna is in episode 9 and 10.

Is Donna the new Joe?

Kerry Bishé, who plays Donna Clark on AMC’s Halt and Catch Fire, discusses the major changes in her character’s life by the end of Season 3, whether Donna regrets the decision that killed Mutiny, and if Donna is the new villain of the show.

Q: Were you shocked when you learned about all the changes that came with the time jump?

A: It was really liberating, actually. I remember shooting the first couple of scenes of the flash-forward where Donna is a little sexier and more comfortable with her power. She’s really become an influential person in this world. We arrive in 1990 at a moment where she watches as they put her name up as a partner of the venture capital firm that she’s been working at. I think we meet her again when she has achieved all of her ambitions and she realizes in that moment that it isn’t enough. It’s not really what she wanted. I think that’s what spurs her to go back to that creative world with Cameron, Gordon and Joe, and back to that thing that was so electrifying for so many years.

Q: What were your feelings about the end of Gordon and Donna’s marriage?

A: It makes perfect sense to me that their marriage ended. I actually really love that we don’t see the marriage end and that the writing is on the wall by the end of Episode 8. By Episode 9, I was actually really pleasantly surprised by how copacetic their relationship became after they were no longer married. You get to see what you’ve never seen on the show, which is a glimpse at why they got married in the first place and what they really like and enjoy about each other. It’s funny to only see that now that their marriage is over. It’s a complicated place to be. There are a lot of extreme feelings in both directions. It must be incredibly liberating to no longer have that albatross around your neck, but I think it must also be incredibly painful and sad. We see both those sides of that relationship in Episode 9 and [Episode] 10.

Q: Looking back, do you think Donna regrets the IPO meeting and the way Cameron was treated?

A: I imagine there is probably a lot of regret, resentment and anger still. I’m pretty sure Donna never says she’s sorry. There isn’t a sense of remorse. I think there’s regret for the way things happened on all sides, and I think it’s fueled by the fact that they’ve all gone out in the world and none of them have found a relationship as motivating and electric as the ones they shared with each other. I think that’s got to be why they get the band back together again despite all of the pain, hurt and suffering they’ve caused over the years.

Q: Of all the characters who’ve interacted with Joe, Donna has always been the most steadfast in not really trusting him. What do you think it says that she calls him to get to Cameron?

A: I think he’s not her first call. He’s a last resort. She’s right to have trepidation – he doesn’t even do the thing she asks him to do. She ends up having to go to Comdex herself. Donna and Joe operate on almost completely opposite wavelengths and yet by Episode 10, what they bring to the table is actually really similar. I think Donna is a person who got a handle on the big picture now, and Joe has always been the “ideas” guy who’s learned a lot more of the technical specifics that Donna has always had. I think, in a certain way, they’ve become pretty formidable opponents, and I think there’s a grudging respect that the two of them share for each other. It makes me very curious about what could happen going forward after this huge — and what I imagine to be irrevocable — rift carved at the end of Season 3.

Q: How hurt is Donna by Cameron’s words at the end of the finale? Does Donna believe there is any truth to them?

A: It’s devastating. It’s completely devastating, but out of those ashes, someone arrives with more grit and determination. I think it’s a gross mischaracterization that Cameron makes about Donna. I don’t think Donna is a person who will toss someone aside. I think she’s a person who would do anything necessary for what she thinks of as the greater good, and in a lot of these cases, the greater good was what she thought Cameron needed. So, the mistake might be in underestimating Cameron’s ability to take care of herself. But I think anyone could forgive Donna for underestimating that. [Laughs]

Q: Speaking of rising from the ashes, it seems Donna might try to go around the group to get what she wants. Is Donna the new Joe?

A: I think she’s learned lessons from Joe. She’s been put in a situation where she’s willing to engage a little more in those gray areas. She watched Joe succeed, and I think that motivates her. I do see a lot of Joe reflected in Donna by the end of Season 3 in a way that I think is fascinating.

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I cringed and I also lol'd.



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Yes. Yes. I decided awhile back Donna was not a saint from the beginning but it's going to be interesting to see where they go with this storyline.

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It's almost surreal to me...

The night of the first group meeting, Donna comes right out and declares to Gordon that she was only using Joe to try to bend Cameron to her will.. and nothing more! What kind of a person calls up someone she has not spoken to in over 4 years, one who's life she deliberately and calculatingly tried to destroy and expect him to do her a favor!?? It was 2:00 am for crying out loud!

Joe should not have just put the phone down that night, he should have told her to go play with herself.

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Donna has major self-awareness issues, and that interview made it seem like Bishe does too.




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^^^^ This!

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fyi, Donna's been a bad guy since season 1. This is nothing new.




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I always felt that was the case. She's not a black and white villain. I mean, neither was Skylar from Breaking Bad. She was just someone who stood in the way of the Protagonists. This was Donna to some extent, but now it seems like she's owning the antagonist role, which is a nice transition.

In the first few seasons the main characters of Joe, Gordon and Cameron were their own worst enemies. Now that they've come to terms with themselves and each other, it's time for a new threat to emerge I suppose. Hopefully Joe's group and Donna's group can push each other to excel.

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I think they're setting it up for them to be a team again, and I don't think Donna driving off in a fit of anger/sadness necessarily has the implication of her undermining them (like I think when she gathered herself, she was basically saying to herself, "What are you doing? Help them make this great idea work and keep your stupid ego out of it."). There's no one else to do this project for her, and she should play the money person. A HUGE, I mean HUGE (or YUGE, your choice), part of her character is a massive amount of risk aversion. She has always lived in the right now. It's what made her make Gordon abandon his initial project, why she was in QA instead of being a developer, why she kept crapping on The Giant (this did happen right?), and why she wanted to try to capitalize on the IPO when the money was there now. She's perfect as a shortsighted venture capitalist who thinks she knows more than the people actually doing the work. She's trying to look bigger picture, but it's not her thing. Let Joe do that, you handle the day to day since that's what you're good at.

I think she's the yin to Cameron's yang, but she doesn't realize that (and she's undermined Cameron so many times that Cameron rightly will never allow that kind of relationship to be what it should). The team works most perfectly when someone is there to motivate and keep Cameron in check. In season 1, Gordon had a huge amount of resentment about Cameron, which always kept him somewhat opposed to her (the check). Joe was the motivator, but he did it in the wrong ways. I think that's why it was so crucial that we saw Cameron and Gordon bonding this season. Gordon helps Cameron be her best, and he's now an excellent buffer between her and Joe (anyone who thinks Cameron isn't at least versed in the business side is wrong). He also is acutely aware of when Joe's running someone, and he's not going to let him walk all over them like he did in season 1. I think a common goal they all truly believe in is the hallmark of what the final season will be. The issue out of the gate is Tom, and Donna is a different issue.

Remember these were the goals and/or ideas in each season:

1. The Giant-Gordon and Joe figured out how to hack an IBM computer and make it their own. To avoid a lawsuit, they had to have someone else come in and figure it out, as well. Joe essentially manipulated Cameron into working with them based on phony visionary promises (not that he thought they were phony at the time), and it's not like she believed in the product anyway. So, Gordon and Joe were aligned on the big picture (certainly not on the details), and Cameron was just a cog.

2. For season 2, we see the cash out from The Giant, and everyone's starting to go their separate ways from the original team. Gordon's bored, Joe has another idea, and Cameron is an upstart gaming company. The cooks all get together (along with Donna), and turn Cameron's gaming company into something better, with of course the caveat of having to make a deal with the devil, Joe. Gordon tries to help multiple ideas, and breaks stuff for both Cameron's company and Joe's company in very bad ways. But again, it's a bunch of mismatched visions doing something decent and Joe has always sold them on the great. They leave Silicon Prairie for Silicon Valley at the end of the season.

3. For season 3, everyone except Donna and Cameron are essentially splintered in some form. Gordon again feels useless, and Joe's stolen something from him and gotten rich off of it. Donna and Cameron see the value of Mutiny, but they have extremely differing visions for how to go about it. The one thing everyone can agree on is that no one can trust Joe. Joe is again in search of greatness, and this time he's found it, but no one will get on board. Mutiny falls apart, Donna and Cameron fall apart, Gordon and Donna fall apart, but Gordon and Joe begin to rebuild their relationship, the relationship that's truly the foundation of the show. After Ryan's suicide, Joe becomes a shell, and Gordon goes on to take his great idea to success, but it's still not the great that Joe's looking for.

With Donna now isolated from everyone she ever did her best work with, she's looking for that "great" idea, in hopes of re-kindling that old magic. She finds it in the world wide web. The problem is that no one likes her, and no one trusts her. So, she goes to the least likely place to try to get Cameron to see the idea, Joe, a guy she literally cannot stand. She figures if she can get Joe to look at the idea, he'll realize it's the greatness he's always been looking for. She also knows that Joe is the only one who can theoretically show Cameron this idea (this doesn't work out as she hoped). She knows Cameron will also see the light, IF she can just see the idea. She also knows that this is the sort of thing Gordon's looking for, mainly because this is already in his wheelhouse. So, she attempts to manipulate an outcome, similar to Joe in season 1, but she doesn't have what it takes to make that happen. But what does have what it takes to make that happen? That's right, the idea. So, now we have Joe, Gordon, and Cameron all completely aligned that this is the great idea they've all been looking for that will put them down in history. They all want to work on it despite the past, because they know the massive value of the idea as soon as they see it. They're all willing to try to make it work, but again, Donna was never part of the best team, so she has to not be involved in the day to day. Her integration into the team was when she helped rebuild the "destroyed" program. She just needs to be the fixer, and I think that's where season 4 should be headed.

There will still be a ton of conflict, because this show lives and dies on conflict, but they'll have a real goal and I anticipate watching them fail will be as exciting as it was watching them fail on The Giant. The only thing that doesn't really fit in yet is Bos. I imagine they're going to use him as business side again (he was very obviously bored in retirement), or he'll be used as a go between of Donna and the team to keep things running. I don't think any character in the show had as much of a good turn as Bos's. He was extremely unlikable for a long time in season 1, until he realized things were about more than just business. He was wrong, and it put him in prison, but it showed he could think outside the box. Donna has essentially been that version of Bos for quite awhile, but she acts like she's being nice. The funny thing about Donna is she's easily the biggest phony in the show, and has such a lack of self-awareness that she doesn't even realize it.




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I enjoyed that read. Thanks for the very thoughtful post!

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You know what's even more surreal? They'll start season 4 with Donna coming down from a mountain in Switzerland looking a little like Don Draper. 'Now for something completely different'. 😂

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Donna is my favourite character. I hope she suceeds and find some redemption along season 4.

The ending of season 3 was so sad, but I'm still rooting for her! #Imwithher #Imwithdonna

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