Abrams or Johnson - who is the worst ST director?

Well, I did say that Johnson didn't quite "get" Star Wars, but I now realise he doesn't quite get Science Fiction in general.

Then again, neither does Abrams.

BRAVO! BRAVO! You are SPOT ON!!!! To add to your point, is when Luke throws away the lightsaber, like a used slimy condom! That moment should've been a VERY SERIOUS sequence between Luke and Rey! It was VERY INSULTING to Star Wars fans, to simply throw away a lightsaber w/so much history and sentimental value, but yet Rian Johnson takes a page out of "SPACEBALLS" for shits 'n' giggles! That was also sacrilege! Yes, even Lucas knew it was NOT real science but yet someday, in a more advanced human race, we could be living in a "Star Wars" universe! Just 2000 years ago, if they could see into our modern day and see jet planes, smartphones, Ferrari sports cars, Mars Rover (NASA), they would think that we live in a "Star Wars" fantasy world! I live in Boston and the famous Museum of Science even had a long running showcase of the "science of Star Wars" just before the start of the prequels trilogy!

leia survives vaccum of space in ESB too. telekenit chatting is in ESB too.

TFA was received very well by critics and audiences, TLJ was the movie that brought Star Wars to its knees.

Because Nostalgia is your king, Styles. Not even Lucas' Prequels (which tried stuff like Johnson did) met with the original approval of you lot.

Sorry, I didn't see your thread.

Too bad his attempt at something different was crap.

I could make a 2 hour movie about a constipated stormtrooper's quest to drop a McKlunky in the toilet. That would be different too. It doesn't mean it would be a good movie....

https://www.quora.com/Did-Disney-wreck-Star-Wars/answer/Anthony-Murlin

J.J. Abrams can’t tell a story to save his life. He has a few tricks that get your attention, but everything he does (up to and possibly including breathing) is obviously stolen from other people. This man is the Weeping Angel of Cinema, parasitizing off of the past talent, visuals, tropes, and storytelling models of Steven Spielberg and, well, George Lucas. His narratives are trite and mostly ripped off from other works (but with a twist! And some unnecessary lens flare). I mean, it would be a sign of the Apocalypse if he and Michael Bay ever worked together…

He attempts to make up for his deficiencies of cinematic storytelling with genuinely interesting visuals (because they mostly belong to other, better Directors) and idiotic narrative framing devices (such as his stupid “mystery box” idea).

What’s a mystery box? Well, based on Mr. Abram’s previous work, I believe this clip explains it best. [If you don’t care or don’t want to watch, it’s the end of the Wheel of Fish scene from UHF].

Why, might you ask? Well, it’s simple. J.J. has some talent with setting up stories. But he has no idea how to end them with any amount of satisfaction. He’s a magician that never learned how to actually finish a trick.

Now, I don’t hate J.J. Abrams. I just severely dislike the vast majority of his life’s work. Normally, I’d take on a more “live and let live” approach, but I also happen to be a Sci-Fi geek and J.J. Abrams was put in charge of two of my favorite properties (Star Wars and Star Trek). This puts me in the unenviable position of either getting angry that the things I like are being mishandled by a cinematic conman or deciding that there is nothing in this world worth enjoying because, inevitably, I’ll always be “not the target audience.”

I think the one thing JJ gets an edge on is at least he has a few fairly interesting looking sequences. The lightsaber battles (despite the outcomes) are well shot sequences. It even covers very well the fact the Daisy Ridley is awful with her fight choreography (See throne room battle in TLJ). In TFA you can't actually tell how terrible she is, that is a credit to the director. Also the intro scene to Rey was also fairly well shot. There is not much good in terms of directing from JJ but Rian's TLJ was all bad. Not one interesting looking scene in the entire film

^^^this

couldnt agree more , pointless plots, canto bight, and can someone explain to me how the hell BB8 managed to climb all the way up a AT ST , break into it, and then continue to steer it after its canopy was destroyed , something id see in road runner.

and lets not forget our beloved Luke dying of fatigue just so he could bide the Resistance time to escape !!!!!

Luke "im not coming back to fight with my sister for the good of the galaxy along with the resistance even though i was willing to die for my father, im not coming back to help you guys because im miserable and want to die here for whatever reason , but what i will do is sacrifice myself just to give you that 10 more mins to escape" absolute garbage

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I second this totally; JJ was definitely the worse of the 2 writers and the one that did far more damage to Star Wars than Rian.

However in terms of directing; excluding the atrocious joke of writing, I think JJ was the better director (but not by much). Despite the break neck pacing of the film, there are a few good shots and JJ was better with the fight and action sequence shooting. You can tell this because you can't see just how awkward and incompetent some of the actors are at doing their action scenes in TFA (specifically Daisey). JJ did a better job of 'hiding' the fact that she can't act (at least not for this role) and cannot be convincing in fight scenes.

So for me, the worse film was TFA followed by TROS, but TFA was the 'best' directed in comparison to the other 2. Because TROS took the break neck pacing and turned it up to 11 and TLJ was just atrociously directed; there is something wrong with almost every aspect of filmmaking in TLJ.

I let the numbers speak for themselves. Overall the Disney series is a success.