Who really cares about IX at this point, all the good characters are either dead, or were made rubbish by Last Jedi.
shareCreativity is dead in Disney's SW planning dept. They can't keep recycling old characters to keep the franchise alive by fan-service alone.
Having said that, they can't invent new interesting characters to replace them either.
Waaaat?
You don't want to find out if Fin and Rose live happily ever after?
You don't want to see if Rey can finally complete her long and gruelling journey to becomming a jedi, to see if she can finally defeat Kylo Ren?
You don't want to see Poe complete her transition?
You don't want to find out who gains possession of Snoke's wonderful gold lame bathrobe?
You don't want to see the famous 'Knights who say "Ren"' in action?
Why ever not?!
"You don't want to find out who gains possession of Snoke's wonderful gold lame bathrobe?"
We already know.
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shareI'd say the opposite: if they still have a chance, it's through the main trilogy. Any spin-off is likely to fail, right now. And unless Ep.IX succeeds, Star Wars will be a declining franchise. And considering all the level of backlash, I don't see how they can succeed enough to save the franchise.
Abrams is a smarter director than RJ, but he's no genius. You'd need Spielberg at this peak to save it, and no pop-corn director right now is that good.
Why can't they do both? If you don't want to see it, don't.
shareHardcore fans would boycott a Kenobi movie as it deals with sacred 'legacy' characters and they'd be upset at any changes... This is what happened with the Hanz Solo movie and thr Luke character in Last Jedi...
So they're being conservative by sticking to what works, i.e. the main series and new characters...
The fans have spoken, Disney has listened...
So they're being conservative by sticking to what works, i.e. the main series and new characters...
It worked for Rogue One and for The Force Awakens, both incredibly popular movies.. It's really the Luke and Liea backlash in Last Jedi that triggered most of the hate.. So with those two no longer in the story, it makes sense to take that further rather than risk triggering the wrath of fans by doing something 'unpure' with Kenobi... Solo proved this... The fans have spoken. The execs have listened.
I'm not judging what is right, or wrong or what is good... But this is what fans want. They have made it quite clear that they don't want their 'legacy' characters touched... Disney is listening to 'true' fans... no?
TFA's popularity was largely predetermined due to unprecedented hype and not because of the little it actually had to offer. The negatve reception of TLJ in large part stems from the glaring problems that were overlooked by many in favor of focusing on pointless fan theory bait. With TLJ The reality of the lazy crap writing of TFA simply caught up to itself and could no longer be overlooked.
shareI'm always impressed by how wrong you can be in such a few words Renovatio - you have that down to an art form!
Hardcore fans have been crying out for a Kenobi movie for years - it's got great potential for a story and it has a perfect actor at just the right age to play the part. Solo - whatever it's merits/flaws - always had a huuuuge hurdle to overcome in that it was never going to star Harrison Ford and who wants to see anyone else play Han?
The only reason I can think of that Disney has been avoiding the idea is that the story would be required to be different (not much room for massive Space Battles) and seeing as Lucasfilm lacks a single strand of creativity this is enough to give them cold feet.
I see where you're coming from, but fans would still find a way to tear down a Kenobi movie... There is always something to complain about... And Disney are once bitten twice shy about such character spinnoffs due to the Solo fan boycott...
shareYes but which film in history doesn't have people complaining about it?
I just find the idea that Star Wars fans are 'difficult' hilarious when there were three, near universally derided films in a row and yet TFA, a shameless knock off which made no sense earned over $2B and rave reviews from fans and critics alike.
The fans M.O. is that they hype, then they destroy... that has been the pattern until Solo, which was boycotted...
It's part of the fetishising of the OT... The obsessive, nearly hermeneutic adherence to the OT means that anything else will end up being destroyed by the fans, even if initially well received and hyped... As by definition anything new is a departure from StarWars-scripture...
If you cannot see the difference in fan reaction between starwars fans and other movie fans, even other obsessives like the comic-book/Superheroes lot, then I don't think I will be able to make my point understood to you...
But that's fine... I still think that a decent Kenobi movie would be demolished by the fans at some point even if it was initially well received, which would be difficult anyway as it would be a Kathleen Kennedy production...
But there is no 'they' - we're talking about millions of people with wildly different tastes; it's nonsensical to group Star Wars fans into a box. And what should people do - just say 'Thank you, mrs Kennedy!' and doff their cap as they get yet another Shitty Star Wars movie? You don't even like Star Wars and you seem to be arguing that people should be less picky, less discerning, more accepting of crap movies churned out by a massive corporation that just up and bought somebody else's ideas. If people just universally raved about Disney Star Wars you'd be calling them 'children' and that they're blinded by their 'childish obsession' with Star Wars but when enough people get together and say, 'nah, these movies are a bit shit' suddenly that is even worse?
You make no sense Renovatio and the reason why is no doubt due to your rather strange hate boner you have for Star Wars. Did someone jab you in the eye with their IG-88 toy when you were a child?
And if you don't believe me that Star Wars fans are INCREDIBLY forgiving just look at R-1. It's the least divisive SW movie since Jedi, has 85% on RT from both critics and audience, has no Youtube channels dedicated to mocking it, has no accusations of Mary Sues or whatever else and yet it's ultimately a very mediocre dirty dozen in space with multiple redundant scenes and a cast of characters that all die the moment they've served their purpose for the plot.
So yes - if Disney knocked out an Obiwan movie that wasn't objectively shit and just ticked a few god damned boxes the fans would cream themselves silly and be throwing their money at Disney. Well... they *would* before this whole thing turned into 2016 2.0 and Lucasfilm decided that insulting their customer base was a good business decision.
Exactly my point... Rogue One is inoffensive to 'hardcore' fans (the ones we're talking about, not everyone, clearly) because it doesn't touch legacy characters and doesn't touch much of the StarWars scripture...
A Kenobi movie now would be controversial... Fans, sorry 'hardcore' fans wouldn't just say "that's a bit shit" and walk away... They would mount an anti-Kenobi-movie campaign, arrange boycotts of tangentally related movies and such... They're already on high-alert... It's just asking for trouble to touch a legacy character now...
We don't have to agree... it's fine...
I know we don't have to agree; if we agreed there'd be no point to a forum!
But I enjoy a good argument and I suspect you do to.
Now R1, you see, it *did* annoy some of the hard core fans. *some*. Because it overwrote pre-existing stories and I saw a fair few people complaining about that, but ultimately, a flawed movie was very well received because people LOVE star wars, not because they're too picky.
I suspect our points of view intersect at some point: I agree that people like Star Wars too much - I see these Youtube video clips of grown men with walls of Star Wars paraphernalia behind them and it makes me cringe. But then I'm watching them aren't I? So who am I to judge. I think my point is that because people love Star Wars so much they've blinded themselves to bad products and stories leading us to the point where we now have more bad Star Wars movies than good ones. Your point here seems to be that no matter what Star Wars fans won't be happy - and you are right there, it's just a question of the scale of the unsatisfiable fans. You think it's a lot, I say it's a few. And we will never know...
What we need is a genuinely great Star Wars film that tests the hypothesis... but that seems very unlikely to materialise in the near future.
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