The Original Trilogy is the Old Testament (Judaism). The Prequel Trilogy is the New Testament (Christianity). The Sequel Trilogy is the Koran (Islam)... get it? Because all the prophet Mohamed(JJ Abrams) did was plagiarize the OT.
Darth Vader=Jesus. His maiming and burning on Mustafar was his crucifixion.
Red Letter Media=The Devil. Star Wars fans who hate the prequels are lost souls who believed the Devil's lies.
Very much agree... The fanaticism around this movie series and how it seems to be an existential issue for StarWars followers is very religious and cult like...
They're just trashy movies and were never meant to be taken so seriously.. Yes, every single one of them from the 1970s onwards... All of StarWars is just kids movies...
Agreed, Renovatio. Children in the 1970s must've been REALLY starved of entertainment for them to latch onto the OT like they did. I'm technically old enough to be that generation, but at the time, I was growing up in Switzerland (but NOT Swiss-born), so I was totally sheltered from that hype and mania.
i can understand kids liking the movies, but at some point people should grow up and not hold on so tightly to their childhood obsessions... the people complaining the most about these new movies are fully grown men!
shareAllow me to paraphrase CS Lewis. "Only children worry about being seen as childish. And only twats complain about people complaining about things on the internet, on the internet."
sharecute... but CS Lewis died before the rise of nerd culture and infantalisation of contemporary men... 😎
He never saw a generation of grown men with stunted emotional development, unable to form mature relationships with the opposote sex, holding on to their childhood fantasies as a crutch well into adulthood... The kind of men who are having an existential crisis about the new Star Wars, crying about the rape of their childhoods, etc...
It's not about perception, being seen as childish, it's about recognising that grown men are crying about attachments to movies made for kids today... It's worth commenting on...
He didn't see that... He simply didn't know the horror 😂 ... I've seen this in real life... their pain is real...
I think it would have been interesting to hear his take on it,.. He wrote the Narnia kids books, so perhaps he would be more sympathetic to their plight...
P.S. and to get back to the original post, i think he would have recognised the religious allegory that the OP is making... aren't his Narnia books also allegorical in some aspects to Christianity?
Well thank you for the thoughtful reply. Probably more than my post deserved and I take back the 'twats' bit.
But I never liked the argument of 'it's a kids film'. For one, it isn't, kids might love SW but there's an awful lot of violence and death in Star Wars. Remind me again how many children's films feature the roasting skeletons of the hero's foster parents? Star Wars are actually closer to war films, funnily enough, they're just insulated by the fantasy elements.
And secondly even if it *is* a kids film so what? They still bring joy and entertainment and the bar for one form of art shouldn't be set any lower than others simply due to 'reasons'. Say we discover a lost manuscript and all of Shakespeare's plays were actually aimed at 5 year olds. Would that change anything? Would they suddenly become less meaningful? Less poetic? Would the flaws simply disappear?
But you're right of course, it is pathetic to cry over movies but is anybody actually doing that? Or are people just pissed off that they're getting pissed on and are being told it's raining?
I'll give you my own thoughts. Films matter. Stories matter. Childhood stories even more so. We're all born with the rather unfortunate certainty of death waiting for us in the none to distant future and the only way we can experience lives outside of our own all too brief existence is through art: Stories, films, books, plays, whatever. So this is why people care passionately about these things when all it's all just make believe. Because make believe is important - other wise you're just stuck a rock waiting to die.
And yes - they were a Christian allegory. That's what the bible was lacking - Turkish delight and talking mice.
Lucas spent years trying to convince the world of a deeper significance to Stars Wars than a simple kids movie. It’s only after TPM and the criticism of Jar Jar Binks that he switched gears and claimed these were always just kids movies.
shareYeah it's part of getting old I think. Entering the Granddad phase. Look what Spielberg did to ET with the walky talky bollocks.
shareStar Wars wasn't only a kid's movie, it was a MYTH. It was a deliberate retelling in modern terms of the classic hero's journey in a way that modern kids, and others, could relate to. That is why it seems to have an almost religious significance to so many. Disney's desecration of Star Wars isn't just being cruel to childhood memories, it is a direct assault on mythic meaning itself.
shareI agree with a lot of your comments (the existential stuff, reminds me of Camus)... Kids movies matter... a lot... in terms of culture, but also as kids movies...
The thing is, i think that they matter more to us as kids, rather than they do to us as adults...
I love stupid horror movies from my adolescence and while I might recognise some deeper existential meaning to Cronenberg's Dead Ringers or social commentary in Get Out, I still recognise them for the trashy horror movies that they are... When Jordan Peele called Get Out a documentary in response to the Golden Globes classifying it as a Comedy for their awards show, i think he touched on this issue... Not that the movie is actually a documentary or a comedy, but rather that it was simply an expression of his artistic sensibility to us... His voice in a work of art as interprated by an audience...
it only really exists in that space and moment in between the audience and the screen, everything else is what we do with that experience as individuals and as a culture... For me, it remains a hillarious comedy of manners and horror movie... 😎
But back to kids movies, we shouldn't allow our childhood attachments to stunt our development... I know it's not a popular opinion anymore, but I think people should grow up (ideally without losing the sense of wonder and fun of childhood)... there is an adult world to be explored and to learn to navigate and not hide from. The last jedi is clearly a wake up call for a generation of men oblivious to the changes im the adult world around them... The Big Bang Theory TV show is a warning, not something to emulate... I find it no less of a horror than Get Out, but the scariest part is that the audience doesn't seem to have a clue that they watching a male version of The Stepford Wives! 😉
P.S. That second to last paragaph is properly pretentious... Kinda proud of it... 😁
But back to kids movies, we shouldn't allow our childhood attachments to stunt our development... I know it's not a popular opinion anymore, but I think people should grow up (ideally without losing the sense of wonder and fun of childhood)... there is an adult world to be explored and to learn to navigate and not hide from. [/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]The last jedi is clearly a wake up call for a generation of men oblivious to the changes im the adult world around them...
I mean trashy as an aesthetic choice... it liberates the art form from the polite confines of the prestige drama or the "noble", "important" narratives that we are supposed to hold in high esteem.. we connect more fully...
Have you seen the French movie Raw (Called Grave in France)? It is the most immersive, visceral coming of age movie about a French girl who goes to college and is starts to find herself through navigating the alien adult world outside of her parents household... it also happens to be a vegitarian cannibal movie! 😎😂
I cannot think of an alternative way to get a two couples of late 20s early 30s friends to sit through and understand the visceral nature of a young woman's sexual and emotional awakening... This movie does it... it wouldn't as an ernest, well meaning drama, but it can go there as horror movie...
But to deny it's trashyness is also to deny the nature of the medium and the chosen aesthetic... Would it work without the nudity, the armpit hairs, the gore, the vegetarianism and the sexual undercurrent to the psycho cannibalism?! it wouldn't... it is part of the movies appeal and it's ability to connect to us as an audience...
There is not point in denying the hotness of the two French girls and their predatory nature... it is part an parcel of the film's impression on us...
I don't lie to myself about the complex themes of the film, when I recognise that I also appreciate the more primal attributes of the film...
The charm of Star Wars is that it is a kids movie... as are the minions movies... to deny it is to deny the nature of these movies...
Nice try but I'm unconvinced. Neither Dead Ringers nor Get Out are going for a trashy aesthetic... Raw might but then I haven't seen it, but I feel you're bringing up a movie with a trashy aesthetic to retcon your point. In any case - Staw Wars isn't a kids movie. It's a movie kids love, sure, but that is due mainly to the scifi/fantasy trappings, not the story and definitely not due to the copious amounts of death and violence.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is a kids movie. Bedknobs and Broomsticks is a kids movie. Now there's no harm in liking either as an adult but there's no doubting their express intention of catering for the kiddies. Star Wars is aimed at everyone, and it succeeded in this aim, given it's one of the most broadly liked film sagas in history with young/old males/females alike loving it.
I'm not here to convince or convert... Just sharing my views 👍
I mean the whole concept of horror movies is trashy... it's pulp... not made to last and be revered... we're there for the thrills... the gore, the suspense... it's very base and not meant to be meaningful, important or "worthy", yet it can touch us in meaningful and worthy ways... I'd argue, it can only really do so if we accept the trashiness of horror movies...
If we take them too seriously, it takes away from the aesthetic and the impact... Get Out hits us in a way that is very different than Look Who's Coming to Dinner... The comedy horror-ness of it is key... it's not a serious movie and that's why the social situations in the movie are even creepier, rather than just being awkward... as well as the meaning behind the movie's themes... Is the family being creepy, inappropriate, or is Chris just being paranoid and overly sensitive and quick to be triggered? You don't get that sense without the horror movie doubt and suspense... the sense that there is something at stake...
Star Wars is an extremely silly fantasy movie... It's even sillier than the ring lord movies and comicbook movies... It's very much for kids... in the 1970s & 80s kids weren't as sheltered... Kids played cowboys and indians... GI Joe cartoons were about war and such... Potential nuclear holocaust was in the back of childrens' subconsious...
Star Wars only seems adult today because we have had a few generations of men who have refused to grow up and have held onto it tightly... Very few people come to it as adults and see it as adult...
It's like the harry potter books and movies... despite the millions of adults who enjoy them (in an adult colouring book way), they're still kids movies... and to not recognise that is to miss the point... as it is with Star Wars...
We won't agree I think... but it was nice to hear your perspective and i can see your side...
By the way, Raw/Grave is worth checking out... Well made debut effort... A friendly recommendation from one movie "twat" to another 😉
But you are though. Trying to convince yourself at least.
I enjoyed this exchange though - and will look at for Raw/Grave. Sounds just like my cup of tea!
Very much agree... The fanaticism around this movie series and how it seems to be an existential issue for StarWars followers is very religious and cult like...Except this isn't what the OP is saying. He is making that criticism toward people who disliked the prequels and slammed Lucas. Yet he is behaving the same way they did, only towards the new Disney films. share
the irony of his post is not lost on me 👍
shareSo....I'm an Atheist nowadays.
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