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Was not a good idea to have a lead character point out limitations of Star Wars IN Star Wars


When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, I made the mistake of pointing out that my teacher had cellulite thinking she would be impressed with my word use. What I didn't realize in my childish arrogance was that I was saying something horribly offensive; only on reflection years later, did I realize that a certain type of intelligence without heart means nothing. I was too smart for my own good, and so is Rian Johnson. This has the feel of a bad tongue-in-cheek nineties sci-fi sequel, like Alien Resurrection. It suffers from the dueling urges to pay homage but also critique its forbears, which ultimately results in self-parody (the death knell for any big studio franchise). Star Wars doesn't work if you're doing it with a self-aware wink because fairy tales don't work that way - and Star Wars is essentially a fairy tale. We get it Rian, you're a clever fuck and probably don't find a big studio movie very intellectually stimulating. You're having fun slumming in a Star Wars sequel, but could just as easily be working on something WAAY more exciting and original. My suggestion? Go for it. Your talents don't mesh with the innocent, determinedly cornball world of Star Wars. It's a safe-space for nerds, which means its absolutely not the place to shout, "this is all kinda stupid, innit?"

Additionally, when Luke Skywalker himself tells you that his character doesn't feel right, you listen and try to come up with a fresh angle that still honors what came before and what fans want - you don't arrogantly insist on having it your way. I can't believe that hearing Mark Hamill expressing concerns about his character didn't give you pause.

Did I hate the Last Jedi? No, not really. But...search your feelings, Rian. Star Wars was never meant to be a clever spoof of genre tropes - it comes to us from the earnest and the very dopey era of late seventies sci-fi filmmaking. Probably Firefly is more your style.

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Damn insightful stuff. But I do think after 40 years and 7 films challenging the "safe-space" is appropriate. That it happens in an actual episode of Star Wars, makes it extraordinary, probably historic. No easily dismissed offshoot. This is in your face canon.

You are being unfair if you think Johnson is just shouting "this is all kinda stupid, innit?" There's more there. Poe's "permision to jump in an an x-wing and blow stuff up" after being chastised and Holdo's "I like that one" after Poe commits mutiny a more forgiving attitude.

Johnson is trying for something and if some people can't be open to that, that says more about their closed minds and narrow preconceptions, than Johnson's film.





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He could have tried for something less destructive of my fond memories. I hate what Star Wars has become now.

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I know you do and I'm sorry. Maybe it's time for you and your therapist to look at why you are so emotionally invested in a film franchise and your "fond memories" instead of the real things currently in your life.

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Why don't you fuck off and learn how to have an actual conversation with another person instead of spending your life in an insulated safe-space - the ultimate safe space insulting people in the internet where they cannot give you the real reaction you need to feel ... like your annoying face being pummeled. You are so clueless you do not deserve to be able to inflict your BS on other people ... so I put you on IGNORE.

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Pummeling people's faces over Star Wars movies?

Lolwtf

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Every post I see by you is loony left or abuse like this.

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Maybe he’s invested because modern real life kinda sucks? That’s the whole point of film - escapism. Films are meant to be fairytales that offer an idealised escape from the real. Ralph has no need of a therapist, but perhaps you need one to discuss your lack of empathy.

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Explain to me how "I know you (hate what Star Wars has become) and I'm sorry" shows no empathy but wishing my face would be "pummeled" draws your sympathy. I wasn't aiming at either of you but it looks like I hit a nerve with the "my life sucks and I want escapism crowd".

I sincerely am sorry if that is your situation and raging at Star Wars movies that don't meet your emotional neediness is how you displace your anger at yourself and the circumstances around you. I do think therapy could beneficial for all three of you before you do something dangerous but it's your life and a free country. God Bless America.

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I have no wish for your face to be pummeled, but you show a lack of empathy in that you can’t seem to understand that to some people, real life is way less than ideal and contains things that are legitimate sources of anger. I’m not saying a movie necessarily is, but you suggest that wanting escapism is a cause for therapy. I simply disagree.

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I see. So your point is that you have to destroy Star Wars completely (!) to make more Star Wars movies.

Just one question: If they have nothing in common with Star Wars (cause Star Wars is so ugly in your opinion) .... why call them Star Wars movies?

You realize now that you are just a hyped Disney gloryhunter and no movie viewer at all?

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"destroy Star Wars completely" ? Can you not see how childish your histrionics sound? Of course they have things in common with Star Wars. It's called Star Wars not Luke's Journey. Where did anyone say anything about Star Wars being ugly? You're either a child, a loon or a looney child.

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So what part beside "Jakes Journey" was so Star Wars-like? Didnt you hyped fanchild get the point, that this isnt about Jake Skywalker. Its about everything was destroyed with this movie. Thats why its the worst "Star Wars" movie ever released.

Noone supports your Last Jedi-idol anymore. No reason anymore for acting like a braindead gloryhunter.

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Bless your little heart. I hope you get the help you need. You've been reduced to babbling incoherently.

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I see, my question was too complicated for your fragile little mind. However .... faktum est .... Star Wars is dead. All that remains of it is a soul- and pointless label which Disney will use randomly as long as it will bring any profit. And it doesnt matter at all, if you accept it or not. Simply cause you cant change it.

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Sorry, if it's dead for you. I'm excited and intrigued where it's going. I haven't lost faith that Disney will keep producing spectacular productions and that Kennedy, Abrams, Johnson and Howard will entertain, surprise and challenge my preconceptions and expectations. I hope you find a new pacifier to gratify you.

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It's over and done now. I am not sure I would believe Hamil, but you are right in this case, this movie was in terms of Star Wars the worst of a series that has continually gotten worse, and aimed at younger and younger toddlers. Of course it is insulting to people who have followed the series, but they should know that by now. Same with the Star Trek movies.

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I dislike that Disney disposed of long-established canon without a blink (Thrawn series, etc), but I don't think this series ruined find memories of my childhood. The only way to go from the prequel trilogy was up, right? I liked the fresh perspective, and I can appreciate a (very subtle) head nod to the past work. The main problem that I think people don't acknowledge is that SW really started a genre, or at least blew it WAY into the mainstream. It wasn't Science Fiction, it was Space Fantasy. The biggest problem with that is they pretty much nailed it the first time. Honestly, if they had stopped at RotJ and never touched it again, including special edition touch ups (looking at you, George), everyone would still be on how epic it was and how the first two couldn't be improved, but how RotJ ruined everything and why Ewoks sucked so bad.

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