Okay... So everybody seems to hate this film.
What exactly did you want from it then?
I've just watched it. For me, it seemed alright as far as fantasy films go.
It was stupid in parts but no more silly then the originals.
Could have done with out the CGI giant dog racing but apart from that what's your beef?
I didn't get the film I wanted but I did get a film that surprised me into thinking about why I wanted the film I did not get and make me excited to see what is coming next. I haven't felt that way about a Star Wars movie in 37 years.
sharenot for the major talking points be that of Leia flying in space, Luke milking blue milk out of huge titties , throwing his fathers lightsaber away and snoke being cut in half without discovering anything about him.
There was so much to reveal after TFA, but these were just brushed to one side , i want to know how they found anakins lightsaber, who is snoke , why is he so powerful, where was he during the OT, who is Rey? if she is just some random girl, why is she so strong with the force , not only answer these questions but set up more to be asked, what is there to look forward to for episode 9? a rey and kylo fight?
By the end...my money back!
shareI wanted a wise, mature, powerful Luke, not this weird, bitter, hermit. I wanted a meaningful death (if he were going to die) not a cross universe hologram and then dying on a rock on the island. I wanted a good back story on who Rey's parents were, I wanted to know how she is so powerful with no training, still no explanation on that. I wanted to know who Snoke is and how he is so powerful and where he came from. I didn't want them to ruin the Luke character and explain Rey with "oh your parent's are dead nobodies" and we still have no clue as to how she is so powerful and has never been trained.
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40 years and you still want the same thing? Maybe Trump can Make Star Wars Great Again. After all, he won the "War on Christmas".
I bet you still want Westerns before Peckinpah, and Bond girls who only show up to have sex with Sean Connery.
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100% !
shareWell the OT is still there for you to watch to your regressive little heart's content. I'm surprised you put down your bible long enough to latch onto something from last century...and you're on the internets. You should stop feeling threatened by the "feminazis" and enjoying the Last Jedi by 2050.
shareHow was it anti-male?
Because there were girls in it?
I don't understand why having females in films like this, make (especially American) men so insecure.
I like the Last Jedi but I agree that it is anti-male. In fact I think that is very much the point in a loving way.
Poe and Finn go running off on their reckless, trigger happy boy-hero quest without telling Holdo (I.e.the babysitter) even after Leia (i.e.Mom) has demoted Poe. It's all a silly waste that actually kills even more of the precious few lives of the Resistance and ends when Mom comes home to discipline the "troublemaker".
Finn tries to commit a foolish heroic act of suicide only to be saved by Rose whose last conscious words chastise his foolishness.
Johnson has introduced the world of arms dealers and he clearly is interested in something more for Star Wars than just endless trigger-happy boy-heroes blowing up endless Death Stars built by imaginary bogey-men. He understands that that only benefits a military industrial complex.
Rightly or wrongly, Johnson is demythologizing Star Wars. Yoda (I.e. Dad) shows up and literally blows up the bibles that Luke admits he's never read in spite of being on an island for years with nothing else to do. Luke at the end of ROTJ was the best hope for the light side and all he succeeded in doing is continuing the cycle by creating a poor man's Darth Vader and in his insecurity tried to commit murder instead of nurturing him away from the dark side as Rey is trying to do with Ren.
There are no "good guys with a gun" in Johnson's Star Wars, only little-boys with dangerous weapons. The Last Jedi is subversive and "anti-male".
It is a leftist political film, repelled by the infantile POTUS and "gambling" class that put him there. Jaws and a New Hope ended the strident political masterpieces of of the early seventies. Network came true. We are living Chinatown.
This is not your Daddy's Star Wars and they have reason to feel betrayed. I like it. I'm with the spark of hope that is the Resistance.
That isn't anti-male though is it. That's anti-idiot.
And the "left's agenda" as you keep banging on about isn't to degrade men. It is to help men and women break the bonds that tied them and to evolve, unlike the right's stance of keeping the status quo. IE make another remake/rehash of an old film... like TFA
I'm glad that Luke was a unless hermit. As he pointed out his jedi legacy was one of glorified failure. He had no one left to teach him how to be a real jedi and he never even finished his fast track training. No wonder he was a crappy teacher.
All that stuff about mum, dad and babysitters it bollocks. It shows someone who is trying to dig too deep into what has always been a very shallow franchise. Deep films don't have huge appeal to the masses because you have to start getting specific. Once you get specific you cut out a lot of people that don't fit in that particular box.
Some semblance of continuity
I would have liked to see an exploration of Kylo and Snoke's past and their dynamic, we learn where Snoke was during the reign of the Empire, possibly it would be explained that he was aware of the true nature of the chosen one prophecy that the two equivalents of light and dark would have to destroy one another in order to bring balance to the force, so he waited in the wings for the prophecy to be fulfilled by Vader and once Palpatine was killed, he took this opportunity to rise and take his place as the Supreme leader. Snoke would use Hux as the face of the First Order until turning Ben solo to the dark side.
Luke would sense the anger, the hatred in Ben and instead try and teach him calmness and patience, but Ben is shown to be the weakest of Luke's Jedi students, who have been able to demonstrate great use of the force, unlike Ben who can barely focus enough to move a boulder from the entrance of a cave. Snoke would communicate with Ben in his dreams using the image of Anakin and through Force/lucid dreaming Ben would give in to his hate and anger and is now able to obliterate the boulder, his anger brings down Luke's home, crushing him leading the other students to think Ben killed Luke. The students would attempt to destroy Ben but he would slaughter them all, except a few who become the Knights of Ren. "Anakin" would inform Ben of a powerful master Snoke.
Meanwhile, Luke would be teaching Rey, as the Knights of Ren are sent out to hunt down and destroy the Resistance.
The bulk of the movie would focus on the First Order, rather than the Resistance, instead of there being a mutiny on the Resistance side, there would be a mutiny on the First Order side. Hux sees that Kylo is too unhinged, he attempts to bring this to Snoke's attention but Snoke is too distracted by the presence of Rey to see Kylo is dangerous and a danger to the First Order operation. Hux and Phasma conspire to take out Kylo and Snoke. Obviously, they would fail and we'd get to see Snoke demonstrate the true power of the dark side by torturing them to death with the force and while he is blinded by his hate and anger Kylo kills him and takes over, thus validating everything Hux had been saying throughout the movie and demonstrating the major flaw in the dark side, they are blinded by hate and anger.
Here are two things I wanted. I would have loved for the mountain scene continuation between rey and Luke to be different and more serious instead of him tossing the lightsaber over his head. The way they filmed it and the camera angles as rey handed it to him seemed off somehow. It would have been better say she hands him the lightsaber and they look each other in the eyes with Luke looking extremely sad. Maybe Luke just lets it drop to the ground. Also would have liked to see some scenes showing Kylo rens confliction and consequences he feels after killing his dad. Just little small subtle things that haunt him. The little bit of light still in him affecting him. I did not see it but I remember hearing about an interview adam driver gave that gave an indication of this.
shareThat's infinitely better than what the TLJ gave us!
shareExactly! I know I'm in the minority here but I loved it, whereas I despised TFA. TFA was a completely unoriginal rehash of Episode 4. The fact they went in a different direction is why I liked it. If they had made TLJ a rehash of Empire I would've been done with Star Wars. Get real people, if you want to watch the old movies watch the old movies. Don't demand they remake them.
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