A Delicate Irony


With the genius of destiny, this film is getting the same reaction as Turner himself did.

Admired, reviled, hated, loved, and understood by the same 5% which validate all culture.

5% of us are artists, 5% left handed, 5% gay, 5% wealthy, whatever, and 5% understand that this is among the great .0005% of all human endeavor which we allow to speak for justice, for love, for art.

Bravo Mike Leigh, Tim Spall, and all who created this.

For those who don't understand this, well, 95% is the vast majority, and you could do worse I suppose, couldn't you?


P.S.:

This wasn’t meant to be self congratulatory; it takes neither courage nor vision to view a work of art as you or I did, only a ticket. I'm surprised at being raked over the coals for pointing out that the audience for this film was tiny. The comments weren't aimed at those absent, but rather at those who saw the film and expressed disdain for it. Sorry, but I felt that deserved a rebuke. I'm protective of the things I love, and I loved this film.

What takes courage, and what I was congratulating, was the artistry.
The courage to travel a hard road, and risk so much, for a vision. To accumulate resources, to achieve.

What’s annoying is this:

Financial failure: Total reported gross for the film in 2014: $5m, about 5% of what a blockbuster can makes on its first weekend.

Peer rejection: The director, the star, and the film itself being ignored by the Academy.

Public response: Roughly one movie ticket in 2000 in 2014 was for Mr. Turner. And about half of the comments, (at the time of writing) were of the genre: “two hours of my life I’ll never get back…boring snooze-fest…Grunting is not acting"…etc. The irony was the parallels of these attitudes to the work of great artists throughout history. "Grunting is not acting" seems a haunting echo of Ruskin’s own criticism of Whistler: "Throwing a pot of paint in the public’s face".

As for elitism, well, a work of this caliber is elite, but why elitism? Elitism is simply snobbery, and one major point of the film is that a barber’s son from Covent Garden could show the world, and continues to show the world, how it’s done. He was elite. By extension, the audience for Turner, and Mike Leigh might be called ‘elite”, (though I wouldn’t choose that word). But this isn’t a moral judgement.
To be elite is just a category. Elitism is a social construct designed to discriminate. Elitism is exclusionary, it exists to create a barrier between one group and another.

Those who fight for the place of art in society get little satisfaction. The reward is in the work itself. They are rarely Elitist. To the realm of art all are welcome, even the occasional Aristocrat, (provided they mind their manners). My disappointment is that so many seem not to care.

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Bravo! 

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The film is indeed great.
What isn't is your petty elitism.

Later that day, after tea... I died, suddenly.

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I don't think I've ever seen someone offer such unsolicited trolling. It is quite an impressive effort. You've elevated the game, by neither mentioning Transformers or any mother's basement, but in the end, it is indeed trolling.

Here's the deep irony in your comments. Everyone likes this movie. I don't mean some mystical five percent of which you speak, but there is nary five percent who did not like this film. Actually, very few walked away without a sincere appreciation for the movie and a new found reverence for the artist himself.

I liken this movie to Fellini's 8 1/2. Fellini attempted to direct, a film about directors, for directors. Mike Leigh has created an art film, about an artist, for artists. The difference is, everyone went into this movie knowing that and to bash it, even slightly, would be to allow others to attack one's knowledge and culture.

What really gets me, is that you did something so incredibly clever, that I'm going to actually laud your efforts. You said nothing about the film, masking that fact with arrogance and self adulation. I've seen some of your other comments and you're an expert at reading the trivia sections, both on IMDB and other sites and you're quick to point out other people's lack of awareness. Yet, I've yet to see anything where you actually make your own feelings of why something is good or bad and post it, for others to judge. As someone who has quite a few bouts with some really intelligent trolls, I at least respect that they defend what is within the film and not merely there own good fortune when it comes to intellect and culture.

I'm sure you'll have some response that will (in your mind) slice me with great precision, but remember, you will be wrong about your initial assertion. You are in that vast majority, which you hold such disdain for, but like you and the rest of the 95%; you could do worse, couldn't you?

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That you had to completely make up your 5% "statistics"--every one of them--in order to contrive a comment about how you hold membership in that rarified 5% club, is pretty telling.

It is widely believed that lefties make up about 10% of the population.

It is widely believed that homosexuals make up about 2% of the population.

Define "artist," and then convince me that only 5% of the population fit your strict guidelines.

Define "wealthy" and then convince me that only 5% of the population fit your strict guidelines.

What percentage of the population are elitist snobs? Wait, wait, don't tell me… 5%?

I don't suppose you could do worse, could you?

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Kinomachtfrei,
English is my mother tongue, but I am unable to make much sense of your rambling babble. You went to a great deal of trouble to try to communicate something of import to you, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what it is.

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Fair enough. But I'm still curious what you thought of the film?

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Kinomachtfrei, every interview I've seen with Mike Leigh echoes your thoughts exactly. Are most of the above comments from people who misunderstood you? I don't get it. They remind me of those who thought Randy Newman wrote Short People because he hated short people.

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Yes, I know. That guy Mike Leigh is always stealing my ideas.

Seriously though, I almost didn't read your post because I got so tired of being flamed. The Randy Newman quote is apt, I remember that absurd scandal. So, thanks for the support, I just wish this magnificent film could be seen by more people as I, (and presumably, you), see it. After three more viewings on Blu-ray, I think it may be the greatest portrait of an Artist ever put on film. I can't even think of what comes close. Cheers.

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I agree, and I admire it even more each time I see it. It got me reading Standing in the Sun (Turner bio). Very well done but not as satisfying as the movie! Just an astonishing achievement. Did you like Topsy Turvy?

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The first stage performance I ever remember seeing was 'The Mikado'. Utter silliness became entirely acceptable in the context of "Tit Willow" and "I have A Little List". Topsy Turvy brought me backstage, decades later, in a most delightful way.

How that could have been made by the man who did Secrets and Lies is astonishing. He's a treasure.

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Yes, I hope he continues in the vein of these period pieces, they are rare diamonds.

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