The entire squad was instrumental in taking down Figgis' organization, yet he only threatens Peralta and Holt and only they go into witness protection? Did Figgis really fail to realize that Rosa was engaged to Pimento? Or that Amy, Peralta's boyfriend tricked his sister into revealing information?
Just reeks of convenience to get just Peralta and Holt away from the precinct.
Reguardless of how powerful Figgis is (or was), he can't kill the entire 99.
Its simply not possible, he's a mob boss not an evil overlord. Even if he succeeded it would destroy his empire as he would be declared the most wanted man in America, the police and the FBI would turn everything that had towards nailing him.
And no one would want to do business with him, cause they knew he was a dead man.
Besides as he didn't have a mole in the 99 itself, its likely he doesn't know exactly who was involved in taking down his organisation. He just knows about Holt as he's the 99's captain, and Jake cause he's the most senior detective.
Did Figgis really fail to realize that Rosa was engaged to Pimento?
Well as it was announced the day before Pimento faked his death, its possible he honestly doesn't.
Or that Amy, Peralta's boyfriend tricked his sister into revealing information?
Pretty much. No one ever found out that Amy went undercover to do that, simply cause Holt kept it quiet.
Figgis probably doesn't know Amy and Jake are dating. Though he may find out.
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Surely Figgis had to be tracking these people if he got Jake's number to call. Surely he must have had someone tracking Pimento to see he was in a relationship with Rosa if not yet engaged.
Even still, if he only threatens two people, it's convenient that it's Jake and Holt. Why couldn't it have been Sarge and Rosa or some other combo?
Surely Figgis had to be tracking these people if he got Jake's number to call.
Well specifically he must have been tracking Jake. I'm not saying he thinks they did it alone, just without a mole in the 99, he doesn't have all the details.
Surely he must have had someone tracking Pimento to see he was in a relationship with Rosa if not yet engaged.
Most likely, but their relationship did go from one date to wanting to marry each other in around a week or two.
Its not unreasonable he wouldn't think they were that close.
Even still, if he only threatens two people, it's convenient that it's Jake and Holt. Why couldn't it have been Sarge and Rosa or some other combo?
Why Jake and Holt?
Well Holt's obvious, as the Captain of the 99 he would be the obvious source of blame, as its extremely unlikely they could pull all this off without him.
Why Jake? Well its probably an educated guess, of the 99 Jake was closest to Pimento the longest. Likewise Jake is the senior detective, as such assuming he was a driving force in the busts isn't unreasonable.
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It's still wholly convenient to think that everyone else in the precinct is entirely safe from Figgis. If he can't get to Jake or Holt, he would certainly go after some of the rest. It makes *zero* sense that Figgis would just sit on his butt and not take his murderous anger out on the other detectives. *Zero*. He has to know the precinct was involved. I mean, Bob Anderson had interaction with Rosa before he revealed himself, so surely he must have interacted with Figgis or other people connected to him before the 99 took him captive. If Figgis is the type to just sit on his butt or be completely oblivious of everyone else in the precinct, then he's not worth going into witness protection over.
It's still wholly convenient to think that everyone else in the precinct is entirely safe from Figgis.
We have no guarantee everyone else is safe from Figgis, just that their not in enough danger it was believed to warrant witness protection.
It makes *zero* sense that Figgis would just sit on his butt and not take his murderous anger out on the other detectives. *Zero*. He has to know the precinct was involved.
Indeed but as I said, Figgis can't target the entire prescient. Even if he had that sort of resources it would be career suicide. And his career is already a lot less stable since the 99's arrests destabilised his organisation.
Heck he might be going after the two of them as he simply doesn't have enough power left to kill anymore than two of them.
Or maybe he's going to go after the others once Holt and Jake are dead.
I mean, Bob Anderson had interaction with Rosa before he revealed himself, so surely he must have interacted with Figgis or other people connected to him before the 99 took him captive.
Possible, it depends exactly what Bob told them.
If Figgis is the type to just sit on his butt or be completely oblivious of everyone else in the precinct, then he's not worth going into witness protection over.
Not if he's going to kill the one's he's not oblivious towards.
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He can target certain individuals within the precinct if not the entire precinct. If he can only kill two and his convenient top two are away, he can just as easily go after another two.
And tell me another reason why Bob wouldn't say anything about Rosa aside from it being convenient reasoning for just Jake and Holt. In fact, why not Jake, Holt *and* Rosa who have to go into hiding? It's convenient that it's just the show's two big stars instead of also characters who would organically likely be threatened in this situation.
I mean considering how rushed the finale felt, I guess it's not surprising that they didn't think harder about how organically this would play out.
He can target certain individuals within the precinct if not the entire precinct.
As I've already said he realistically can't target the entire precinct. As killing that many cops would lead to a massive bounty on his head, and mean no one would be willing to do business with him ever again.
If he can only kill two and his convenient top two are away, he can just as easily go after another two.
Indeed, but only after the first two are dead.
And tell me another reason why Bob wouldn't say anything about Rosa aside from it being convenient reasoning for just Jake and Holt. In fact, why not Jake, Holt *and* Rosa who have to go into hiding?
Why? Well its entirely possible that Annderson at the time didn't see Rosa as so important. No one's saying he failed to mention her, but he could have not given her due.
After all he knew Holt for years, knew what he was capable of and could see he was leading this investigation. He met Jake, could see Jake was effectively spearheading the investigation, and I imagine it would only take him a brief glance at his file to learn Jake was the leading detective in the 99, and had the highest arrest rates.
Rosa however at this point could be seen as only helping Holt and Jake. I might be wrong, but I don't think Bob learned about her connection to Pimento, so when the information was relayed to Figgis Rosa might not look so important.
It's convenient that it's just the show's two big stars instead of also characters who would organically likely be threatened in this situation.
Isn't it organic that Figgis, having taken a massive hit to his organisation and his resources, would turn what he had left against the two people he believed were the most responsible (and honestly were the most responsible) for damaging his operation so badly.
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Surely killing a police captain would put a bounty on his head anyway so what difference does it make to go after someone else in the precinct? A Sergeant, for instance? And why on earth would he just wait for his supposed top two to come around for him to kill instead of just going after another two in the meantime? *Zero* sense.
Is it possible that Bob didn't mention Rosa or that Figgis believed only Jake and Holt were the most responsible? Sure. Likely? Doubtful. It's very obvious that the writers wanted an excuse to take only Jake and Holt away from the precinct and considering how rushed the finale was, it's clear they didn't think about how organic it would be.
Surely killing a police captain would put a bounty on his head anyway so what difference does it make to go after someone else in the precinct?
I never said it would make a difference if he killed someone else. You were suggesting why he didn't just kill all the 99 rather than a few of them.
Killing a single officer puts a bounty on your head. Killing a captain is worse. Killing multiple officers sends the ninth Calvary after you.
And why on earth would he just wait for his supposed top two to come around for him to kill instead of just going after another two in the meantime? *Zero* sense.
What makes you think he's not going to do exactly that? We haven't exactly seen how this story resolves itself after all.
Is it possible that Bob didn't mention Rosa or that Figgis believed only Jake and Holt were the most responsible? Sure. Likely? Doubtful.
See here's the thing? Why is it doubtful, ignoring for a second the fact that Jake and Holt WERE the most responsible for taking down Figgis organisation. Who would you turn your attention to? A police captain leading and investigation, and the highest detective spearheading it, or just another detective who was also there?
Unless Figgis knows about Rosa's connection to Pimento, why should she stand out over the others?
It's very obvious that the writers wanted an excuse to take only Jake and Holt away from the precinct and considering how rushed the finale was, it's clear they didn't think about how organic it would be.
See here's the thing, you made this post claiming you wanted to discuss it, but all you do is keep coming back to complaining about it.
Now if that's what you want to do I'm fine about that. Everyone's entitled to their opinion after all, but it means I'm effectively wasting my time trying to do anything else.
Of course not, I'm wondering why she would stand out compared to all the other cops doing the exact same thing. Unless your suggesting the Nine Nine went around personally arresting all of Figgis's goons one at a time, rather than turning the information over to their superiors and causing a series of mass arrests as is procedure in these situations.
And if you do, do you really think Figgis wouldn't notice her involvement?
Why would she stand out?
And do yourself a favor and think in terms of probability, not possibility.
Okay, only if you promise to actually entertain a few of my suggestions before outright dismissing them.
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I never said it would make a difference if he killed someone else. You were suggesting why he didn't just kill all the 99 rather than a few of them.
I changed my tune to changing his target to one or two of the others as I said above.
Of course not, I'm wondering why she would stand out compared to all the other cops doing the exact same thing. Unless your suggesting the Nine Nine went around personally arresting all of Figgis's goons one at a time, rather than turning the information over to their superiors and causing a series of mass arrests as is procedure in these situations.
The answer is in the very bit you quoted. She would stand out because she would be hands on in and at the forefront of dismantling his organization. She's the most eager to take him down. And in terms of handing information over to superiors, Jake is not a superior, so he would stand out no more than Rosa.
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I changed my tune to changing his target to one or two of the others as I said above.
Okay, with you.
The answer is in the very bit you quoted. She would stand out because she would be hands on in and at the forefront of dismantling his organization. She's the most eager to take him down.
That she would be, but its unlikely she would personally make any more than a few arrests. Dozens of cops would be sent after Figgis's people, as such it might be a bit harder to notice on that was working harder than the others.
And in terms of handing information over to superiors, Jake is not a superior, so he would stand out no more than Rosa.
Yeah Jake actually is superior to her technically. He's the precincts first class detective. Hence why he was left in charge when Holt and Terry were gone for the day. He doesn't outrank her, but due to arrests rates he is technically higher than her.
Likewise I didn't mean Jake and Rosa's superiors, I meant the top brass. A series of mass arrests against such a powerful mob boss, to the point of investigating police and FBI corruption would need to go all the way up to the Commissioner.
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Rosa was in charge of the Giggle Pig case from Season 2 so one detective doesn't outrank the other. And if Rosa didn't personally make any more than a few arrests, Jake would make no more or less arrests. So as I said before, it ultimately reeks of convenience that it's just Jake and Holt that get threatened and go into hiding. They really could have had Rosa go into hiding with Jake and Holt if they really wanted to have Jake and Holt go into hiding. I don't see why they couldn't. It's extremely plausible.
Rosa was in charge of the Giggle Pig case from Season 2 so one detective doesn't outrank the other.
Cause she was assigned to be head of that investigation. Just as Jake heads any investigations he's assigned to. As I said, he doesn't formally outrank her, but he technically higher due to arrest rates.
And if Rosa didn't personally make any more than a few arrests, Jake would make no more or less arrests.
But it was Jake who spearheaded the investigation that led to all the arrests being made in the first place. That bumps him up.
They really could have had Rosa go into hiding with Jake and Holt if they really wanted to have Jake and Holt go into hiding. I don't see why they couldn't. It's extremely plausible.
Of course they could have, they just didn't need to.
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I think he mentioned them only because they were the two who did the most in the operation. Bob didnt interact with anyone else besides Rosa but she didnt do much in the operation. Remember bob had to call it in before the hospital. So presumably when holt and jake contacted him. And then he gave Regis their numbers.
Rosa did do quite a fair amount. She was the initial person chosen to go undercover in the women's prison. She helped stage the fake funeral for Pimento. She was involved in the heist to turn off the cameras, using yoga to hide in the cart. She used her apartment as the safe house to hide Bob.
I don't see how screwing with the cameras qualifies as not doing much in the context of a heist. It's not like her prep for the heist was any different than Jake's. She was practicing yoga. He was practicing a pull-up.
Rosa did a lot more than Terry here.
On top of that, how much did Jake do between coming back from Texas from Amy and Bob coming in? Not much more than Rosa.
Idk man, it does not bother me, the suspension of disbelief is really high on this one since the last 4 episodes or so made up for the worst season out so far, but even then, still fun. So, the show is so nice and fun to watch that I can overlook plot holes somehow. If anything I thought it was not believable they could just go into the FBI like that.