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This stupid remake flopped....It sucked and flopped
shareLol obviously you dont know what a flop is.
shareThis horrible remake needs 250 Million to break even, now it's at 104 million.
Huge flop.
No it doesnt. Haha! nice made up figure.
MGM/Sony already stated it is a success and still hasnt opened in all markets.
So your boycott campaign is a waste of time.
It's a flop, they expected this to make 400 Million Worldwide LMAO its a flop wake up.
Budget is 100 million, it needs at least twice that to break even, without marketing.
FLOP
The budget is 90 million estimated split between mgm and sony. Supposed 42million each. Marketing is at 18.6 million and sony did its own distribution.
They said they would be pleased with anything over 135million. Only been out 2 weeks so far in the north america( the largest market) and is expected to still be in tbe top 5 this weekend.
Stop lying it only made 62 million in USA which is a HUGE flop for a movie with a 100 million budget.
Rule of thumb, it needs to make twice the budget at box office.
It's a FLOP and it will be out of the top 5 this week-end
Stupid remake supporter...Or are you a studio plant?? Dumbass.
You dont have a clue.
Your boycott failed.
You dont have a clue.
Your boycott failed.It's not my boycott, smart people don't pay to see trash remakes, let alone sanitized and politically correct ones.
Smart people can think for themselves and not a hateful drone like you. Buh bye euro trash.
shareWhere does all the money they spent in their budget go?
Into their own industry.
Even were this to be a flop, or let's be a bit honest here and say a bit floppy (because it really isn't that floppy) it's all money going back into the industry keeping it afloat and people in work.
Ever see those guys working on the roads? The ones standing around while one guy does something...? They probably fixed that road a year ago, nothings really wrong, or it only needed two guys on it.
All keeping things chugging along.
Anyone who doesn't realize this is a flop has no concept of marketing costs tied to the budget.
shareBut its not a flop haha. Tjis isnt meant to be a huge blockbuster. Its on par with the equalizer which was a hit. Mgm/sony even said they are pleased with the success of this movie.
And less that 20million in marketing by the way they said
shareMore typically marketing is half the budget, so they hardly pushed it
shareAnd less that 20million in marketing by the way they said
But its not a flop haha. Tjis isnt meant to be a huge blockbuster. Its on par with the equalizer which was a hit. Mgm/sony even said they are pleased with the success of this movie.
Marketing costs are PART of the budget. Do you think they are on top of?
Oh dear.
It doesnt really matter.
Its a solid movie ad doing well for a genre that todays generation doesnt appreciate.
Marketing costs are not part of the production budget.
shareWhen a film has a listed' budget', on this site or anywhere else, it will almost always include marketing.
This films 'budget' was estimated to be $90M.
If you presume 'budget' to mean 'production budget' then you will almost always be wrong.
Marketing costs are PART of the budget. Do you think they are on top of?
When you say Superman 'cost' that would almost always be the 'budget', this is what the studios say the film cost to get it to market.
If you want to talk about the production budget, then you say the 'production budget'. If you presume a film's stated 'budget' is only the production cost (especially when quoted after production and sourced from the studio), or that this is normal when a film 'budget' quoted, you will usually be wrong.
When you say Superman 'cost' that would almost always be the 'budget', this is what the studios say the film cost to get it to market.
If you want to talk about the production budget, then you say the 'production budget'. If you presume a film's stated 'budget' is only the production cost (especially when quoted after production and sourced from the studio), or that this is normal when a film 'budget' quoted, you will usually be wrong.
You show me an article that details the production budget and the marketing... again... did you read or comprehend my response? No.
shareou show me an article that details the production budget and the marketing... again... did you read or comprehend my response? No.
And you still haven't understood what I said, and provided a long winded regurgitation of the same information. It isn't any more persuasive the second or third time round.
You are quoting a source that has a breakdown of a films 'budget', to disprove that a films 'budget' doesn't include marketing, but you are quoting a source that provides a breakdown of the budget, including the production budget which is not typical, per what I already said.
Studios don't always provide a complete breakdown of the 'budget', and this more typically includes marketing. You're quoting Rob Cain at me. Who is Rob Cain? I'm going to go with what Tim Groves told me, at least for the moment. Thanks all the same.
Where does all the money they spent in their budget go?
Into their own industry.
Even were this to be a flop, or let's be a bit honest here and say a bit floppy (because it really isn't that floppy) it's all money going back into the industry keeping it afloat and people in work.
Ok, I'll explain it slow, like.
Let's say you own a lemonade stand.
You don't actually run it, you just paid for it, and you pay the salaries of the people that make and sell the drinks.
You can't always guarantee a supply of lemons. Sometimes there a good crop, sometimes there's a bad crop. You also can't always control if people will be thirsty.
But you can try to keep the customers thirsty for your product, by driving out competition, and marketing the product effectively to them.
Now sometimes you get lots of lemons cheaply, and lots of thirsty buyers, and you can make lots of money selling your lemonade.
Sometimes things are not as stable, and either the lemon supply is unreliable, or the buyers are distracted, or unwilling to buy for some reason.
So what do you do?
You normally have 3 staff at the stand preparing drinks, and you have a marketing guy that costs a fortune, and a lawyer in case someone gets food poisoning, and an accountant to make sure the tax man doesn't send you to jail or get any tax from you.
All these people need to be paid, or they leave you. So you have to make a decision...
Now you can fire some of them to save money. But then when the customers come back, or fruit production picks up again you will have to rehire, and retrain. You might even have to rebuild because the stand got rundown and out of date, or you lost the rights to the place your parked your drink stand. That gets expensive.
So instead you take a loss, keep your staff in employment even if there isn't enough demand for the product to justify the costs, and you trust that the customers will return for lemonade soon. In the meantime your employees are busy, and the business runs as usual, your company remains visible in the marketplace, and the competition can't find any leverage into the market because you have continued to supply what demand there is.
Hollywood's ideal solution is own the farm, own the trucking company, own the factory, own the stand, and own the marketing company, and demand anyone that wants to sell your lemonade has to buy three other flavors that no one wants to buy. This is called vertical integration, and while it was snuffed by the federal government in the U.S the studios still manage it on other countries.
I hope this explains the basic economics.
Ok, I'll explain it slow, like.
Let's say you own a lemonade stand.
You don't actually run it, you just paid for it, and you pay the salaries of the people that make and sell the drinks.
You can't always guarantee a supply of lemons. Sometimes there a good crop, sometimes there's a bad crop. You also can't always control if people will be thirsty.
But you can try to keep the customers thirsty for your product, by driving out competition, and marketing the product effectively to them.
Now sometimes you get lots of lemons cheaply, and lots of thirsty buyers, and you can make lots of money selling your lemonade.
Sometimes things are not as stable, and either the lemon supply is unreliable, or the buyers are distracted, or unwilling to buy for some reason.
So what do you do?
You normally have 3 staff at the stand preparing drinks, and you have a marketing guy that costs a fortune, and a lawyer in case someone gets food poisoning, and an accountant to make sure the tax man doesn't send you to jail or get any tax from you.
All these people need to be paid, or they leave you. So you have to make a decision...
Now you can fire some of them to save money. But then when the customers come back, or fruit production picks up again you will have to rehire, and retrain. You might even have to rebuild because the stand got rundown and out of date, or you lost the rights to the place your parked your drink stand. That gets expensive.
So instead you take a loss, keep your staff in employment even if there isn't enough demand for the product to justify the costs, and you trust that the customers will return for lemonade soon. In the meantime your employees are busy, and the business runs as usual, your company remains visible in the marketplace, and the competition can't find any leverage into the market because you have continued to supply what demand there is.
Hollywood's ideal solution is own the farm, own the trucking company, own the factory, own the stand, and own the marketing company, and demand anyone that wants to sell your lemonade has to buy three other flavors that no one wants to buy. This is called vertical integration, and while it was snuffed by the federal government in the U.S the studios still manage it on other countries.
I hope this explains the basic economics.
Well, when you remark a Western and cast a black man leading a posse in the 1800s--as if that was realistic--what would you expect? A FLOP. This movie automatically loses credibility because of its gross historical inaccuracy.
shareLol another trump supporter giving his false history report. Read a book, son.
shareSpeaking of Trump (not a fan, but I like the way he's become a bogeyman to the Stupid Left*), if the movie wanted an evil-capitalist villain who advocates coercion, they should have used George Soros. I'm unaware of Trump killing anyone; but Darth Soros is a big fan of the State, the biggest, bloodiest, most heavily-armed gun-toter in History. "Der Staat" makes Bogue's hired guns look like Quakers.
*where Saul Alinsky meets the Dumbest Generation.
when you remark a Western and cast a black man leading a posse in the 1800s--as if that was realistic--what would you expect? A FLOP. This movie automatically loses credibility because of its gross historical inaccuracy.
People need to read more. Sad times.
shareI've been studying frontier history for decades, sonny. What's your background in history? You certainly come across as a scholarly, well-read kind of guy.
shareMasters in american, european and asian history. Suffolk university boston.
shareSo not just a Masters in 'Asian history'...
...not just a Masters in 'Asian and European history'...
...but a Masters in 'Asian', 'European', and 'American history'?
You sure you didn't just do an undergraduate degree with a history paper in something Asian, something European, and something American, and slightly embellish your credentials?
Or is the truth even less honest?
Cos that sounds like a pretty BROAD Masters to cover the history of three continents, let alone not doing it in a particular period, or aspect of 'Asian', 'European', or 'American' history...!
I mean I don't want to say I don't believe you, but it sounds like complete BS.
I gave a broad look into my credentials because its all that i feel explaining. I know my history and its saddens me how very little people on here do and make terribly, silly arguments and make claims that that shouldnt
shareYeah, but your credential seem a bit broad.
When I was at primary I can remember we had the freedom to choose what subject we presented, and I did 'Birds' (against the advice of my teacher I must add).
No, not just one aspect of birds, like aerodynamics of winged flight, nor a particular species, like canaries, nor something that birds do, like migration. No, I did Birds. And learnt the need to specialise in any future research topic.
Now, perhaps they have different expectations when completing a Masters in ye olde Boston Town, but my understanding is that you choose to write a Masters thesis on a subject. This subject usually being an extension of undergraduate or honors study, your choice receives approval from a senior academic, and you bugger off and do your research, produce a great wafty text, and at the end you get a couple more letters after your name, if you want them.
Now, forgive me again, but what Masters program encompasses Asian, European, and American history, such that one would claim particular expertise on a web forum having completed it...?
Because at this stage it's a claim with all the credibility of having completed a Masters in Birds.
Well being in primary or elementary school as we call them in the colonies are very different than universities. But if you must know 18th 19th and 20th century american history. 19th and 20th european and 20th asian more specifically japan 1915-1975.
shareYeah, I'm getting a "phonus balonus" vibe from this guy, too, Smokey. I understand academic standards have slipped since I was in college, but this guy seems about as much a scholar as Bernie Sanders does about being an economist. If someone asks you for sources, and you say, "google it," you don't exactly sound like David McCullough.
shareAgain, I have absolutely no idea how a Masters degree program would contain even aspects of European, American, and Asian history and from two whole centuries apiece... Perhaps such a program is incredibly broad there. However, I find that highly unlikely.
The point of postgrad is to identify something you wish to specialise in, and research deeply in, with a goal of produce some sort of new research about the subject.
You simply can't research deeply on three continents, and six centuries of general history in the space of two years (let alone one, which many Masters represent).
I think anyone that ever went to university can smell that rattish odor in such a claim, and I've seen them calling people uneducated to end discussions since. So I think it is safe to say this is just message board bs.
AMEN!
shareWell, when you remark a Western and cast a black man leading a posse in the 1800s--as if that was realistic--what would you expect? A FLOP. This movie automatically loses credibility because of its gross historical inaccuracy.Inaccurate as determined by Hollywood movies made in the Jim Crow Era, the studio heads were afraid of offending racists, so that's what set the standard for historical accuracy, not things that actually happened.
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Let me correct you: it has been depicted thus in any Hollywood movies set in the Jim Crow era, and made before this recent demand for Westerns pretending racism wasn't really a problem at all, and white people back then were ultimately really, really, enlightened (despite supporting slavery for generations).
All those earlier films you snub were at least the more honest to just avoid the issue completely, by ignoring the fact there were any black people in that era (excepting a fat mammy for Rhett Butler or a stable hand or some other menial laborer).
For the majority of black people in America living in that time this was an honest rendering of their lives and expectations! Far more so than a rendering of the wild West where Will Smith or Denzel Washington ride about on fancy freaking ponies dispensing justice to evil doing white rubber barons etc etc. Freed slaves were often land owners, but these would not be significant holdings, merely subsistence farming to support themselves, and many weren't successful, and certainly would not have provide them with wealth enough to provide their children with education or land of their own, they were still hampered by institutional racism, so most did work as laborers, farm hands, servants etc. This is no reflection on the capabilities of black people, but a broad reflection of the racism of white society after the civil war.
If you want to talk about a Western set after Jim Crow sure, there won't be so many limitations on black people, or racial violence, because it's after the 50's. That's the 1950's, about a century after this film is set. We are talking about 19th century, and living under Jim Crow laws, or their defacto equivalent, and before those laws the Black Codes, and before that slavery.
Now you idiots seem pretty determined to accuse anyone of racism who points out this movie was rubbish for its portrayal of historic race relations, the expectations of contemporary black people, and the attitude of most people in that time, and I have to ask why?
The people saying a black man could not be the character Denzel was in the time this movie was set are not racists. They do not think a black man was either unworthy or incapable, physically or mentally or for any reason within his control unable to be that person. They do not subscribe to phrenological theories that black people have three bumps in their skulls making them docile, nor contemporary scientific 'wisdoms' that declared the black man somewhere been human and ape!
What they are saying, and rightly believe, is that for over a century after the civil war, America remained hostile to black people (and, arguably, is still). While this hostility did not meet the barbarity of the treatment of the native Americans by whites, they did continue to suffer oppression, and abject racism, and could very rightly have feared for their safety if they did not exercise caution in a many of the white communities at that time, if they were welcome at all.
This film and others like it present a fantasy, and that fantasy white washes the very real oppression black people continued to suffer long after the civil war. Identifying that is not in any sense racist. Perhaps you are confused about what it means to be racist, or just generally confused about most things...
What sparks my curiousity is why so many seemingly fragile Americans are determined to preserve some mythical, fantastically and farcically enlightened distortion of their history.
Jim Crow laws covered the Southern states, and it wasn't much different anywhere else.
After the war you could be a lot of things if you were black. You could marry, and not worry about your master selling your wife, your children, or you, or having you flogged, beaten, raped or killed at their discretion.
It was indeed a very enlightened and exciting time for black people!
What a magical place it must have been then... not even a generation after being a slave with no rights, and nothing more than property, to find overnight all the white people awoken from their racist slumber, and accepting you as a fully fledged member of their society!
(this is the myth being peddled on here by the real racists)
In this new multi-ethnic society you had no fears at all! As a black person you could be a sheriff, and ride about the land, and from state to state, as if you owned it, without paying a curious or concerned white person a never mind. Hell, you could even speak your mind to white strangers who caused you offence, or arrest them willy-nilly and without the direct instructions or authority from a white superior. You would not be harassed, beat up, or lynched in many parts of the country. And very certainly only evil white people called black people the big bad 'N' word, and if they did, a black man was in every right to have words and/or shoot that white person, for not affording them the respect due cause of emancipation.
Oh, yes. The sky was the limit for black people in 1850.
(Of course that is just the mythology this film perpetrates, and the fantasy of the deluded racists that think black people had a fair hand in America as soon as Grant beat Lee)
Of course it is great for all children to have aspirations, and if a black kid wants to be a cowboy, and be like Denzel. GO FOR IT! More power to you.
But as responsible adults we shouldn't want to encourage that kid to make a time machine and go back to 1850 to try and be one!
What sparks my curiousity is why so many seemingly fragile Americans are determined to preserve some mythical, fantastically and farcically enlightened distortion of their history.First, when the South lost the Civil War, many people were willing to live by the new order. That attitude would not last long without a serious improvement in the lives of the many working class whites. Historian Eric Foner says that one of the biggest failures of Reconstruction is that they didn't create a class of Southern whites who saw their prosperity coming from Republican policies.
Jim Crow laws covered the Southern states, and it wasn't much different anywhere else.
After the war you could be a lot of things if you were black. You could marry, and not worry about your master selling your wife, your children, or you, or having you flogged, beaten, raped or killed at their discretion.
It was indeed a very enlightened and exciting time for black people!
What a magical place it must have been then... not even a generation after being a slave with no rights, and nothing more than property, to find overnight all the white people awoken from their racist slumber, and accepting you as a fully fledged member of their society!
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Films aren't obligated to be historically accurate, they're fantasies made to entertain, not educate.
It still has a month left in theaters. I suppose though in some people that saw Westworld on tv is saying why spend 20 dollars on this,when they our paying 100 to see that.
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