When is the first movie made about the works of art stolen by allied troops (esp. GIs and Russians) in Europe (esp. Italy and Germany) after WWII ? (If you can recommend some, I'd be really grateful.)
It's not worth going into details, but just like "The Book Thief" the movie is full of horrible cliche-Nazis. Why not try another approach like the French do in "Diplomacy" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3129564/?ref_=nm_knf_i4 or in "Section Special" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073679/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_16 or completely different like in the Danish movie "Under sandet" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3841424/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 ? Haven't we seen enough of always the same characterisations? Doesn't it become boring after 70 years? My God - even the Nazis in "Inglorious Basterds" were more interesting and multi-faceted than the caricatures in this movie. I guess it's Hollywood: If you lack good and new ideas, just stick to the old ones and rehash them endlessly.
I completely see your point of view and respect it completely. I do not criticize your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it, although I disagree on certain points, which are of a more general nature.
Just a few thoughts and ideas to consider:
. Are human beings either good or evil ? Is there no in-between ?
- Do people change in the course of their lives for the worse or the better (I know I did and still do) ?
- Why is this (mostly) denied to those people who are depicted as villains (be it Nazis, Jihadists, Al-Quaeda, Al Capone, the Spanish conquerors of South America, Pontius Pilate etc.) in movies? (I think because (esp. Hollywood) likes to present a simple image of life to its viewers (which of course makes life easier)).
- And I think were are discussing different aspects here. You are talking about historical accuracy (U-471, Argo), in which I completely agree with you (and in this respect "Woman in Gold" does not offer too much, as has been discussed in other threads and a simple Google search will prove that - this as a response to your view on fiction vs. reality in your post). I am talking about human realities and behavior. And in my humble opinion, villains can be loving husbands and wives, good fathers and mothers, well-meaning community members etc. etc.
Why is "Breaking Bad" so successful? From the outside and in the eyes of the law he is a ruthless drug dealer who has ruined the lives of countless people and needs to be punished for this (in your own words) "forever" ("They don't get free breaks or alternative endings, after what they did."). What we see in the show is a different point of view. A man struggling with his inner demons trying to save his family (a noble character trait). Is Saul Ausländer in "Saul Fia" evil, because he helped the Nazis in the extermination camps? Modern law and legal standards would possibly condemn him.
Take the latest blockbusters: Who is right? Who is wrong ? Captain America or Iron Man ? Batman or Superman ? Is one of them evil and the other one good ? (And I am not discussing the quality of such movies in general, bus the credibility of the characters and their motivations).
If I may I would like to recommend watching the documentary "The Pity and the Sorrow" ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066904/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2 ) and then decide for your yourself, if all the French collaborators with the Nazis were evil or if there is something more to some of them.
Opinions, naturally, depend on personal experiences. Yours seem to have been quite different from mine. But I am reluctant to judge people having lived in times and circumstances quite remote from my own time and conditions, no matter how many books or films and documentaries I read/watch on a subject. There is one human constant in my view and that is that people are never one-dimensional.
I hope I have not offended you with my ramblings ;)
Thanks for your kind reply and your recommendation - I will try to locate it as soon as possible in my region; it sounds really interesting. I checked here on IMDb http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4338336/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 and will do some research how to get hold of it.
Let me just add that I am really not very fond of Nazis myself and that it is not my favorite pastime defending their depiction in movies - my criticism was more aimed at that kind of film-making and simplification that is dished up in (too) many movies.
Our conversation proves that even on IMDb a civilized conversation is possible ;)
Thanks to you both. I enjoyed reading your conversation. Nice to find such well thought observations on a message board. Seems rare these days. Again, thanks to you both for the enjoyable read.