Who is the moron military adviser?? - The Last Ship (2014) Discussion

[–] kingg-2 8 years ago

This is the third season. We pretty much exhausted the 1,000 or so military inaccuracies in past threads. Some biggies:

1) Star Trekization. The CO always goes on away missions, as well as the Master Chief.

2) Magic navigation - getting a destroyer up the Mississippi to St. Louis. Never mind the shallow waters of the river or the many low bridges. Also, sailing through 7-foot channels in the Mississippi Delta, that kind of thing.

3) Magic helo. Early on, they had no helos since one hanger was used as a lab and the other was shown as empty. Magically around the end of Season 1, a helo appears.

4) Magic ship - concocting a sail that can not only move the ship, but move it fast enough to spin the propellers. Which then somehow produce electricity to power the ship.

5) Magic weapons - going up against a Kirov-class cruiser and an Astute-class attack sub in 1-1 combat and winning. Also, the Astute having hypersonic cruise missiles that can hit multiple targets across the US when fired from beyond the Bahamas. In just a few minutes.

6) Magic crew - The O-4 Cheng crawling around replacing filters and welding. Officers manning all of the electronics and fire control stations. As stated, seemingly a crew of 150 officers and 150 enlisted.

These and dozens of other massively stupid errors that anyone who's ever been on a Naval vessel will spot instantly.

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[–] roofall 8 years ago

They've gone overboard, somehow it happened. Whether the target audience changed, or they're changing it - there's nothing left in this show (except for kids, but, then, we have some horrible scenes - killings, virus and such - for the children to see? no comprendo, whatever)

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[–] brux (14736) 7 years ago

Forgot about that sail rig .... this is the most idiotic show.
Then there was last week's air compressor from the helicopter duct-taped to the Nathan James to start the engines?

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[–] McQualude (4231) 7 years ago

Makes me glad I was never in the Navy so I can sit back and enjoy it. Their infantry tactics though are non-existent but I blame that on being squids. Only thing the Navy knows about combat is from watching TV.

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[–] mwleonard-1 8 years ago

Ever seen a movie about an aircraft carrier? Usually have the captain and a few officers and a chief. Nobody else exists!

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

careful, you're about to be viciously attacked as I am for saying the very same thing.

However as far as the military technical advisor goes... he is an ADVISOR. not the Director or Producer.
He has no say whatsoever on what actually ends up in the show. He can advise, they dont have to take his advise.

I was on a Fast Frigate

You were on a Frigate.
No such thing as "Fast Frigate"
FF means Frigate, not Fast Frigate.
The Hull classification symbols are just that. Symbols.. or codes... NOT ACRONYMS.

The individual letters do not have individual meaning. the grouping of letters as a whole have meaning.

With the exception of Aircraft Carriers, the basic hulls types are all designated with double consonants.
BB Battleship
DD Destroyer
FF Frigate
SS Submarine

Another such mistake is the ideas that SS meas "Ship,Submersible"
No... it just means Submarine.

The mistake is common, even among some who have served in the Navy. But it is wrong.

Another such common error, even among Navy sailors is the idea of a ship being an "Aegis class Destroyer", or an "Aegis class Cruiser".

Aegis is not a class for warship.
They're Arleigh Burke and Ticonderoga class Destroyers and Cruisers respectively. Aegis is a Combat information and direction system, installed on those two classes of ships.

Yet you still hear even sailors talk of Aegis class cruisers.

BTW... Which Frigate did you serve on?
My first wife and her entire family owes their lives to the crew of Whipple, FF-1062.

Myself, I served aboard Halsey (CG 23) and upon her decommissioning, aboard Kitty Hawk (CV 63).

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

BB: Big-assed Battleship...

LOL.

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[–] SpiltPersonality 8 years ago

BB means Battle Bus! Everyone knows that!!! *eyeroll*

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

LOL
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[–] Daddy_Tej 8 years ago

I served on the Baton Rouge - twice!

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[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

I served on the Baton Rouge - twice!

Pics or it didn't happen hana man.

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[–] Daddy_Tej 8 years ago

do you even like it The Last Ship (2014), or are you here just to make troubles, hana!?

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[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

Are you just here to wind up Coast Guard Sailor? He says you're not real navy man Mr hana.

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[–] Tanu Tuva 8 years ago

Hey, now that you mentioned it, what's the difference between CG and CV? And aren't they all sometimes suffixed with the letter N?

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

CV: Carrier.
CVN: Nuclear powered Carrier

CG: Guided Missile Cruiser
CGN: Nuclear powered Guided Missile Cruiser.

Both the N and G are suffix codes, N referring to nuclear propulsion, G denoting that Long ranged missiles are its primary armament.

For example, a DD is a Destroyer, a DDG is a guided missile destroyer. A DDGN would be a nuclear powered guided missile destroyer, which... there currently is no such thing, though in the novel this show is based on was a DDGN.

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[–] SpiltPersonality 8 years ago

I'm not sure why they do that, but I imagine it's something to do with compression. You have to compress ALL the functions of a working crew into a few people. To have a RADAR operator an an enlisted means you've gotta add ANOTHER character who isn't a decision maker. Hard to do I guess. but yes, you're right.

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[–] slackersmom 8 years ago

Here's my reply to a similar rant that someone recently posted (btw, we really don't need another post on the topic).

Some people complain that the show is unrealistic, because "such and such" would never be done in real life, so-and-so wouldn't do it that way, etc.

Some people don't know how to suspend disbelief.

This lesson is not new. Thanks to TV, a whole generation of young people has grown up thinking that crime-scene investigators actually question witnesses, accuse suspects, carry guns, and arrest people. If we believe TV, apparently every detective in NYC and LA gets into at least one gunfight or car chase every week (when in fact, 95% of LEOs serve for 20 or 30 years without ever discharging their weapons in the line of duty).

It's TV. Fictionalized and dramatized. Real life is much too boring for people to want to watch every week.

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[–] ydobon-1 8 years ago

Some people don't know how to suspend disbelief.

Imagine people's reactions if they were watching an action movie and the hero gets shot in the arm and dies from blood loss. Or the heroes are firing their guns full-auto and have to stop and reload every ten seconds. Or they need to hack into a computer system and the movie spends the next hour watching them trying to scam a password out of someone.

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[–] Dauw 8 years ago

^^^ this

Suspension of disbelief, say it with me. See, most people didn't serve on a frigate so they wouldn't know nor care about the minutiae of serving on a frigate. They care about entertainment. And just like sound in space and noiseless silencers, things make it into shows because it's either cool, or it would be boring and impractical to do it realistically.

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[–] ydobon-1 8 years ago

Suspension of disbelief, say it with me. See, most people didn't serve on a frigate so they wouldn't know nor care about the minutiae of serving on a frigate. They care about entertainment. And just like sound in space and noiseless silencers, things make it into shows because it's either cool, or it would be boring and impractical to do it realistically.

I have to admit that I'm guilty of nit-picking some things from time to time.

I used to watch Lost in Space when I was little and I loved it, but even back then it bugged me that the design of the ship didn't leave room for a lower deck, let alone all the storerooms and the cavernous engine room that they showed. Or the episode where the robot's tread section went AWOL and his top half was just hovering in thin air with no visible means of support.

I like things to at least seem plausible, so really obvious errors bother me. Like a movie called The Secret of the Ice Cave. Not only does the 5.25" floppy disk with the map instantly work on every computer he puts it in (this was the 80s, there were many different types of computers), it still works after being carelessly crammed into his backpack, and later in the movie it works in a featureless black box hooked up to a TV in a small Indian village.

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[–] SpiltPersonality 8 years ago

There are 'action' movies that do things accurately. Not without its faults, but Black Hawk Down (2001) does a very good job.

The thing is that the scope of the story is completely within the authors hands. They can choose to be lazy, or they can choose to do it right.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Some people don't know how to suspend disbelief.

This lesson is not new. Thanks to TV, a whole generation of young people has grown up thinking that crime-scene investigators actually question witnesses, accuse suspects, carry guns, and arrest people. If we believe TV, apparently every detective in NYC and LA gets into at least one gunfight or car chase every week (when in fact, 95% of LEOs serve for 20 or 30 years without ever discharging their weapons in the line of duty).

I know how to suspend disbelief just fine, thank you very much.
The problem is just HOW BAD these goofs are, and the amount in which disbelief must be suspended. In that case, your example fails.

I come from a whole family of Law Enforcement. I know just how unrealistic most procedural cop shows are to real life.

The level of goofs in this show are not the equivalent of the level of goofs in most cop shows.

They are more along the line of... Lets say that the detective team in Law and Order was trying to get somewhere and took the Lincoln tunnel, then to avoid the traffic standstill, drove upside down on the roof of the tunnel to avoid the cars, like Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones in "Men in Black" did.

Now a stunt like that works for MiB because it is a campy comedy about Aliens.
But if you were to see that in a Law and Order episode... despite all the goofs about police Procedures, you'd still go WTF!?!?! and not be able to suspend disbelief.

There are lots of good military movies. Every one of them has goofs that are not realistic and we can and do still suspend disbelief and enjoy them despite the errors.

It is the MAGNITUDE of the errors in this show that is ridiculous and THAT... is what you fail to understand.

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[–] Possessed-by-zeal 8 years ago

They have not only bad military advisers but no technical knowledge in many aspects of the show. Here my list:

1) In second season they say - burning human remains produce electricity. But burning human bodies is ineffective in any way. Crematorims use gas to produce enough heat to burn the bones.

2) Once power plant was captured - they stopped conveyer with human bodies. So there is no more fuel for power plant. Right? Wrong. Commander explained to "warlord" that they captured the power plant, but did not cut the energy. No fuel = no water boiling = no steam = no turbine rotating = no electricity. What did they burn instead?

3) They killed or captured the whole personel of the power plant and replaced it with several marines? Something should definitely blow up or stop working. Using coal or wood as fuel is not that efficient as using natural gas, it requires manual labor, lot's of it.

Speaking of military consultants - I stopped watching CSI at all after one man was found guilty based on RPG-7 !!!recoil!! that gave him the black eye.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Like I said before, I only watched a single episode of season 2, and that only to get details to answer questions people were having.
I know nothing of the power plant episode to which you refer.
But a few things stand out based upon your statements, If I may...

In second season they say - burning human remains produce electricity.

I do not think they were trying to claim a burning body produces electricity. That is an assumptive error on your part as to what they were claiming. It sounds like the bodies were being used as a fuel for a plant that generates electricity, not that the bodies generate electricity.
Burning coal does not generate electricity either, but coal is used as a FUEL in plants that do.

But burning human bodies is ineffective in any way. Crematorims use gas to produce enough heat to burn the bones.

You are confusing and conflating two separate things.

Bodies burn.
If they burn, then they can be used as fuel for things that need a heat source. Such as a boiler to produce steam for a steam turbine to produce electricity.

Crematoriums use Gas to burn bodies, true.
But the need for gas is because (as you pointed out) is to completely consume the body including the bones. But where you are making a mistake is that you are confusing the ability to use a body as fuel, with the necessity to destroy a body completely to ash.
You are conflating two totally separate and unrelated end goals.

1) A fuel source to produce heat as the end goal.
2) Complete destruction and reduction of body to ash, as the end goal.

Just because a burning body on it's own is not hot enough to 100% burn even the bones does not preclude it from being able to fire a boiler.

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[–] slackersmom 8 years ago

It is the MAGNITUDE of the errors in this show that is ridiculous and THAT... is what you fail to understand.

Most average, casual viewers of the show either don't notice the errors, or don't get bothered by them (suspension of disbelief). Same concept when people who work in the medical field are bothered by 'errors' in medical shows, or people who are lawyers notice flaws in legal dramas--or police procedurals, military shows, etc. It's a scripted show, not a documentary, so there is always some level of creative license taken that some will notice (and be bothered by) but most others won't.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

You just ignored every point rather than try to refute them.
You can STFU with "it's not a documentary" crap arguments. I KNOW that.
Of course there is creative license taken. Of course there will be goofs. I have admitted that.
You FAIL TO GRASP THAT THERE IS A FRAKIN DIFFERENCE IN THE MAGNITUDE OF ERRORS!

You're watching "Sons of Anarchy"
But all of a sudden, the bikers start riding their bikes vertically up the side of high rise buildings like Ghost Rider.

But hey.. It's scripted not a documentary on gravity and physics, Right?

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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

It's not the producers/writers/network's job to be error-free, their job is to make an action/adventure series for the summer time. If they get something wrong, boo hoo only people who really understand that sort of thing will be irritated but they don't make up the majority of viewers they want so they don't care, if they get something right and it makes the same type of viewer happy it's no big deal for them anyway. Doesn't matter how small, or how huge. General TV viewers will only care about the story and characters, if the program delivers accurate depictions of real life naval military but the story isn't any good they won't care, if its good but its full of mistakes same deal.

Truth is just about every show based around a particular profession in the world is going to fairly simplified and dumbed down in order to have wide appeal for the average TV viewer who normally is not affiliated with said job to make a living with.

Your Ghost Rider/Sons of Anarchy is definitely silly and outrageous and would've turned off *a lot* of fans off from that series, but given that it was strictly a crime drama set in the real world of course something of the sort would be laughed at, mocked, and feel like a giant middle finger to the average TV viewer. The Last Ship is an OTT, post-apocalyptic action/adventure series that's meant to be big concept..."Swank"-ing moments are to be expected in some way shape or form( "swanking" referring to the fictional drug created by Senator Mendoza in the McBain movie on The Simpsons that is supposed to be "ten times more addictive than marijuana", despite marijuana being proven to be not being addictive at all).

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Jesus Christ... what is it with people not getting it?

You and others keep arguing a Black and White position.

You are coming from a position of "All goofs are minor" and accusing me of taking all minor goofs as major ones.

OKAY... Now read these next sentences of mine very VERY carefully and UNDERSTAND what is being said....

I get that it's not perfect.
I get that it will be somewhat dumbed down for a wider audience.
I get that there is always going to be goofs.
I get that it is not a documentary.

Do you understand that I get these things?
GOOD!

So stop using these false positions against me as though I need to understand them. I GET THEM!

NOW....

There are all manner of goofs in this show. I DO NOT CARE about minor goofs.
I expect and accept minor goofs.
But the problem with this show is that it is inundated with a crap ton of MAJOR goofs... Things that should annoy and piss off the average viewer.
Things that you don't need to be IN the Navy and have the training to catch. things that any viewer should catch.

A ship vs Sub battle in waters only 15 to 20 feet deep? SERIOUSLY?

A Nuke explodes over 1,300 miles away and they SEE the explosion on the horizon SERIOUSLY?

You don't have to be a Tomahawk Missile technician to know that tomahawk missiles cannot travel all over an entire continent blasting targets within minutes, flying at hypersonic speeds. The speed and range of a tomahawk is general knowledge and publicly known.

You cannot turn the propellers of a ship backwards and generate electricity. Utter bullsh!t. You don't have to be a Navy Gas Turbine Technician to know that.

These are not simple goofs that only a sailor would spot. They are egregious errors that is "a giant middle finger to the TV viewer" as you put it.

The problem, is that the average viewer nowadays is "below average"
We have college students that cannot find the US on a Map of the United States.

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[–] SrEditor 8 years ago

Perhaps we must see the show as having elements of SciFi, including an alternate universe. A universe in which the Mississippi is navigable all the way to St. Louis.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

That is a cop-out, to avoid admitting the errors.

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[–] kingg-2 8 years ago

If they invented a country called 3rdworldistan and had the ship going up a river to an inland city, that would be fine as an alternate universe. However, the Mississippi River and St. Louis are real things that exist in our universe. You can't just change that.

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[–] SrEditor 8 years ago

They are indeed. But would it not be possible in a parallel universe for the Mississippi to have been dredged all the way to St. Louis? For ever bridge to either have been destroyed or built to be a drawbridge?

(btw, I am arguing the point for purely pedantic reasons. Not beacuse I don't agree with everyone who thinks it's absurd.)

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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

Jesus Christ... what is it with people not getting it?

You and others keep arguing a Black and White position.

You are coming from a position of "All goofs are minor" and accusing me of taking all minor goofs as major ones.

Nope, I didn't say the goofs on the show were "minor" and thought you were taking them to the next level. I get it - this show is based around a profession you're quite enamored with and you are not a fan of it when they make major mistakes without any care because they're more concerned with setting up action set pieces and drama for the characters. Welcome to the world, everybody who has made a career out of something will come across a show or film based around said career and they'll likely find something that will puzzle them because of how simplified and inaccurate it is. It might annoy them, but to people with different careers and interests will not be bothered by them, but I figure the majority of them would understand that those stories are not total representation of the way those professions are in real life. It's just the way it is, but unless its your career to review TV shows or films then you can freely avoid said shows or films and find something else that would satisfy your needs - This IS the golden age of television, after all...

There are all manner of goofs in this show. I DO NOT CARE about minor goofs.
I expect and accept minor goofs.
But the problem with this show is that it is inundated with a crap ton of MAJOR goofs... Things that should annoy and piss off the average viewer.
Things that you don't need to be IN the Navy and have the training to catch. things that any viewer should catch.

A ship vs Sub battle in waters only 15 to 20 feet deep? SERIOUSLY?

A Nuke explodes over 1,300 miles away and they SEE the explosion on the horizon SERIOUSLY?

You don't have to be a Tomahawk Missile technician to know that tomahawk missiles cannot travel all over an entire continent blasting targets within minutes, flying at hypersonic speeds. The speed and range of a tomahawk is general knowledge and publicly known.

You cannot turn the propellers of a ship backwards and generate electricity. Utter bullsh!t. You don't have to be a Navy Gas Turbine Technician to know that.

These are not simple goofs that only a sailor would spot. They are egregious errors that is "a giant middle finger to the TV viewer" as you put it.

I seriously doubt most people would watch an admittedly OTT action/adventure series based on a post apocalyptic premise that airs on TNT of all stations for accuracy even if it runs contradictory to how real life works. If they do that's their problem and they'll probably end up learning the truth and feel silly about thinking it was ever possible to begin with.

The problem, is that the average viewer nowadays is "below average"

I guess you're right I mean look at Breaking Bad, Fargo, Penny Dreadful, Game of Thrones, Mad Men, House of Cards, Scandal, American Crime, Orange is the New Black, Black Sails, Ray Donovan, The Affair, Outlander, Community, Rick & Morty, Mr. Robot, Narcos, Master of None, Daredevil, Bloodline, and Sherlock were all failures on arrival and did not have the benefit of second, third, or fourth seasons because the below average TV viewer was more intrigued by what was going on with The Kardashians or Jersey Shore and cult favorite shows from yesteryear like Twin Peaks and Arrested Development never got their shot to continue after proving to be smart and uniquely crafted entertainments...Oh wait.

Not to say there isn't any crap on TV that the average viewer watches that should've either ended a long time ago or should never have made it to air, but fact remains we are living in the golden age of TV right about now and with as much variety out there as it is the most average of viewers should at least recognize a series like The Last Ship as an absurd time waster for the summer season.

We have college students that cannot find the US on a Map of the United States.

Before going all doom and gloom I'd suggest taking into the consideration that these college students were
A)High as a kite.
B)Drunk as hell.
C)Probably were trying to illicit some laughs out of their peers.

Other possible reasons behind such a thing, but I think those three are the most logical to consider upon face value of such news.

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[–] jrneptune 8 years ago

I for one appreciate your comments. I watch the show but it has major flaws tactically and in reality. As you stated clearly the list of flaws is long and growing.

You should have some fun with it and post the list in the trivia section but for me it is like watching a Navy recruiting ad. The U.S. military has an exception in truth telling when it comes to their advertisements and I have to wonder if the producers of the show don't feel the same carries over to the show.

I also thank you for your service to your nation and taking the time to share critical information with others.

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[–] willsons-2 8 years ago

I have read all of your posts and I get what you are saying.

I am pretty tolerant of inaccuracies/goofs/poetic licence if the show/movie is otherwise entertaining and is not dependant upon something that is impossible in the universe in which it exists.

It is the one reason I hate Interstellar: there is no way he could have survived in a space suit close to a blackhole after the gravitational forces had ripped apart his ship. It is complete nonsense. And don't get me started about a construct "inside" the blackhole.

That really bugs me. So much so the mild enjoyment of the previous couple of hours went out the window. I simply cannot understand how anyone could like that movie and yet it rates high on IMDb.

Now I have said all of that to say this:
1. I can relate to what you are saying;
2. Other people do not have the same problem as I do. I do not understand it, but it is a reality. It was not a deal-breaker for them.

The same applies with TLS. I have spotted most of the "goofs" mentioned above and now I know a few more that I did not know of before, but they are not "blackhole" type of goofs to me and so I can maintain my suspension of disbelief and enjoy the story and the characters.

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[–] Orlando_S_Gondar 8 years ago

It is the one reason I hate Interstellar: there is no way he could have survived in a space suit close to a blackhole after the gravitational forces had ripped apart his ship. It is complete nonsense. And don't get me started about a construct "inside" the blackhole.

That really bugs me. So much so the mild enjoyment of the previous couple of hours went out the window. I simply cannot understand how anyone could like that movie and yet it rates high on IMDb.

Um but that is not a goof, Do you not know anything about black holes? Watch the hawking paradox on curiosity stream. PLEASE. And besides in the movie Wasn't the whole thing more of a metaphor for LOVE saving humanity? Actually interstellar is not wrong about black holes if you go by the current and i mean the very forefront of physics, look up the hawking paradox on curiosity stream to learn about it. At some point they talk about, if you watch someone get sucked in you would watch them and their information get smeared along the event horizon and they die BUT the person actually going in .. from thier perspective, could actually not experience this at all, they would or could think they are still intact, etc etc. Which allows for a certain reality from his perspective. This is science talk and it goes into deeper ideas but are all based on good accepted, modern, and the latest science. With that in mind he could have gone in there from his perspective and not been destroyed allowing him to do things perhaps like what happens in the film. Which were very beautiful events and make for a very heartwarming film you somehow don't like. Based on your own lack of knowledge to boot. What happens in the film solves for science, ie the information paradox, solves it with an experience from the protagonists perspective that was quite beautiful. What would actually happen going in could be absolutely nothing from his perspective, ie nothing special anyway, but to you he gets torn up. science literally says since the information is there, he is alive and dead, dead from your perspective alive from his. In fact its the biggest most famous debate about black holes, hawking used to think things got destroyed until he recently changed it, solving for the information paradox with an explanation incorporating the multiverse. That's right the freaking multiverse.... but anyway...

How is that a goof exactly????????????
Where is your suspension of disbelief?
That totally works as current science mixed in with a lot of heart.
It sounds to me like you think things are totally destroyed going in and that's that done, then you believe the widely disregarded theory hawking admitted is wrong, again because the information paradox needs a solution and things are not simply destroyed. His latest theory again incorporates the multiverse but im not about to try to educate you over not liking a movie, I am just saying you needed to open your mind but a little bit. Not even that much based on current findings he could have totally experienced that. How he communicated it to his daughter is a different story but hey..Love right? lol. Its not breaking science as bad as you think it is. There is much worse constantly on tv and shows. I promise many of which you probably enjoyed just fine.

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[–] willsons-2 8 years ago

Um but that is not a goof, Do you not know anything about black holes?

They are ultra massive and exert such huge gravitational forces that light cannot escape. The gravitational force is demonstrated in the movie when the ship is destroyed but the human in a flimsy spacesuit was more resilient. Yeah that makes perfect sense. My bad.

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[–] slackersmom 8 years ago

First of all, there's NO NEED to be nasty and vulgar. 

Secondly, from your perspective, I/we "don't get it." From my/our perspective, you don't get it.

Thirdly, you're entitled to your opinion, as are the rest of us. That doesn't mean you're right and the rest of us are stupid, or vice versa. It's just a matter of having differing opinions.

Hope that's 'okay' with you. 

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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

Probably not 'okay' with him, expect another rant or something.

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[–] ritawood 8 years ago

I put him on ignore a year ago for reasons you have now probably discovered for yourself. IMO he really isn't half as bright as he wants others to think he is. I find his comments are no great loss.
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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

Not my first encounter with CGSailor. I remember a friend of mine actually got into an argument with him way back in the day and when they told him to "get real" CGSailor took it literally and said "I AM real boy, I am NOT a robot..." Wow...For someone who claims to be smarter than the average joe that was...Anything but a smart thing to say.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

I never said any such thing.
You'll have to provide a link to that one.

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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

Well if memory serves me right that might've happened quite a long time ago and it might not have been you but somebody with a similar username so there is likely no link for proof to provide as it was too long ago and mix-ups are bound to happen on such a large site anyway, so sorry for the accusation. I too was once accused of being on the board for Live Free or Die Hard in 2007 defending it left and right and disowning the original three films but in actuality I barely visited that place when the movie had opened up for wide release and I didn't care for it very much as it did not come close to the quality of the original three which I had previously owned in a trilogy pack before upgrading to Blu-Ray. It happens.

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[–] ozart2002-919-392694 8 years ago

I have him on ignore as well.....there are ways to impart "knowledge" of a topic that can inform or denigrate - CGSailor has perfected the latter, by installing himself as the supreme killjoy on any military (especially naval) thread. One can only assume that he is friendless and bitter, with nothing important to do. I would expect a snotty OTT reply from him, but fortunately I have him on IGNORE!

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Ritawood, who responded to you, is a liar, who made up stories about going through a pass that is silted closed and undredged in order to be right and prove me wrong.

His problem is that actual navigation charts and overhead imagery prove him a liar. He therefore has a grudge against me.

Like or dislike me for my rants against stupid goofs all you want... just bear in mind Ritawood is a known liar who will tell bullsh!t to win.

He tried to prove I was wrong about the channel the Nathan James was in was too shallow by "claiming" that he was on a ship that went through that channel.

The problem with his "claim" is that I then provided documentary evidence via overhead imagery and actual navigation chats that the pass is unusable, too shallow and un-dredged. Beyond all shadow of a doubt was Ritawood proven a liar.

He has been antagonistic towards me ever since.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

Eh, okay...Thanks for the info.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Actually I got no problem with YOUR response. well thought out and articulate despite you and I having a difference of opinion.

Slackersmom's response of "It's not a documentary, get over it"... isn't.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] Darwinskid 8 years ago

Well I'm happy we can at least agree to disagree on this issue, sir.

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

If you examine my "rants" above carefully... I got no problem with differences of opinion. My "rant" was mainly directed at those that were "dismissively attacking" my opinion.

The only people I attack are those that attack others without cause, trolls, or people who post the most inane and ignorant crap (factually, not difference of opinion)

And another one to watch out for. I don't know what he said as he is ignored, but I see my stalker troll has turned up. Daddy_Tej and Rajeshmulan are the same individual, a stolen valor troll with multiple sockpuppets (Daddy is the primary and Rajesh is one of about 20 different socks)

He likes to follow to any boards I comment on to make stolen valor claims as to his nonexistant service.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] isotop235 8 years ago

Don't even get me started on "A Few Good Men." Great movie but those inaccuracies.

UFFDA!!

Fiery the angels fell, deep thunder rolled around their shores, burning with the fires of Orc

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[–] Nemesis42 8 years ago

They are just going for entertainment, not logic. Unfortunately those of you that know military reality will be disappointed.

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[–] ritawood 8 years ago

There are those of us who know military reality but are not disappointed and enjoy the show very much. It's really only one or two people on here who don't-one of them doesn't even watch the show, yet feels free to attack it and run it down at every opportunity. Unfortunately those few people are usually the loudest and cause other people to stereotype the rest of us.
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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

There are those of us who know military reality but are not disappointed and enjoy the show very much.

That would not be you. Knowing Military reality, that is. I have no doubt you enjoy the show.

But I am surprised that you can even show your face in this board, after being flat out busted lying and perpetrating bullsh!t just to get one over on my telling facts.

Or are you STILL going to insist you traveled through a Pass that is physically impassable.

Oh wait.. I forgot...

You were so adamant about your being right and my being wrong that you deleted each and every one of your bullsh!t posts.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] Novtej_Dil 8 years ago

I have freind who are military and non-milatry, and they enjoy the show equal, hana

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[–] CGSailor 8 years ago

Another new sockpuppet to go on ignore Daddy-Tej.

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[–] ajm2259 (128) 4 years ago

I saw they did manage to get ONE THING.right that most other movies and shows don’t. Near the end of the series when they needed to retake the command center the guys that had secured the replica rehearsed how to go about assaulting the real one. Most military shows and movies don’t show that stuff.

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