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The final plot twist

posted 9 years ago by JackStokes
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Was the final few moments of the movie meant to be the twist ?

To me they made it clear that John Jane and others in between were the same person
I saw it about 10 mins before Ethan hawk got up from the chair revealing the scars

[–] chip92114 9 years ago

So, why did John become the bomber as old John? Because he became delusional due to doing so many jumps?

[–] drivenkick43 9 years ago

Yes. I think so. That's why they emphasized the negative side effects of too many jumps throughout the movie. His time machine thing was supposed to decommission, but it didn't, allowing him to make even more jobs and get even sicker, which leads him to become a terrorist bomber while thinking he is doing good.

[–] registers-944-48791 9 years ago

Exactly, he continued to use the machine to try to save people. His purpose then was to save more and more people, but he became crazy.

Then he finally decided to become that terrorist, because doing so he'd create and enhance the agency.

[–] sevastokrator 9 years ago

chip92114:

So, why did John become the bomber as old John? Because he became delusional due to doing so many jumps?

Or:

After killing the Bomber, disturbed John kept obsessing about what the Bomber said, about preventing greater disasters, and to his dismay found it all to be true. He then also remembered his little talk with Robertson, when Robertson told him about the need from the agent 'operating from the outside', and also Robertson's final speech about the Bomber. His still active machine was a sign enough to show him that he was to become that agent operating from the outside. He set his mission to prevent those greater disasters, and also shape his previous self - if he hadn't, he would have messed up his own timeline.

As he grew older, and more delusional due to jumps, he started to figure out that he physically resembled Robertson more and more. As his final try to set thing differently, he waited his previous self in the laundry, but equipped with a vest and bloodbags knowing that he would probably be shot. That happened, he was shot but not to death, and he was rescued by the Agency, his mission to prevent greater disasters recognized, his brain healed, and he himself revealed to be Robertson, on his mission to 'lay out the dominoes' for the entire John's life, managing at the same time Jane, John, and Bomber, watching out for each of them to survive.

[–] registers-944-48791 9 years ago

I noticed it when Robertson was talking to him, after they just met. I was astonished with the idea that both lovers were the same person and the child was born from the sexual union of a unique person. Robertson starting talking how he was special, then I saw the he was the kid. I still haven't noticed that the kid would be sent back in time to the orphanage.

[–] JackStokes 9 years ago

At the start or when he takes the baby

I Forget when he meets Robertson

[–] prplayer 9 years ago

i usually suck at trying to get the twist of a movie, but this one i managed to guess right well before it was revealed

so many movies, so little time

[–] jbaddock 9 years ago

There wasn't a twist - it was obvious from the moment that 'John' went back and met 'Jane' that they were one and the same person, as was The Barkeep (after plastic surgery) and, probably, Robertson as well (although how he fitted into the character's timeline isn't clear). Given that almost the entire story involved the same person at different times in his/her life, it wasn't really a surprise that the Fizzle Bomber was also Jane/John Doe - the question at the end is whether the Barkeep becomes the Fizzle Bomber. The implication is that he will, because it will create too large a 'temporal footprint' if he doesn't, not to mention the fact that it will change his/her own timeline. Even though he claims that 'you have a choice', in reality, he/she never had. There's also the classic time travel paradox as hinted by the snake eating its own tail and by the song 'I'm My Own Grandpa' - where did this loop in time actually start?