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Building a loop in time?


I can't remember much about the movie now, but what if...

Ethan Hawke's character was actually building a loop in time, but it looks like a paradox from our perspective since we are seeing it as our past and assuming it all happened as an integrated whole?

Originally we have a straight line:
1) No Fizzle Bomber
2) Fizzle Bomber appears
3) Fizzle Bomber kills people
4) Fizzle Bomber retires and is at the laundry mat.

Then Hawke goes back in time, at step 3.1:
1) No Fizzle Bomber
2) Fizzle Bomber appears
3) Fizzle Bomber kills people
3.1) Hawke enters the time line and begins work
4) Fizzle Bomber retires and is at the laundry mat.


So what the movie is about, is how he builds a loop by going back to step 3.1 and doing stuff piece by piece and then he can finally kill the Fizzle Bomber at step 4. So at the end of the movie it looks like this:

Then Hawke goes back in time, and begins to build the loop:
1) No Fizzle Bomber
2) Fizzle Bomber appears
3) Fizzle Bomber kills people
3.1) Hawke enters the time line and begins work
3.2) He gets a sex change
3.3) He falls in love with his female self
3.3) They have a baby
3.4) He moves the baby
3.5) Etc.
4) Fizzle Bomber retires and is at the laundry mat, but now he can kill him.

So from one point of view it looks like a paradox, but from a "let's build a loop" point of view, it looks like in sequence.


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Wow. This is a really good take analysis of the movie.

The only question though, is was the fizzle bomber always him?

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Look at my explanation ;)

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Yes, according to the movie it is always him. I understand all of this. I guess in a theoretical analysis of the movie, the fizzle bomber could be someone else initially, until he goes in a causes the fizzle bomber to be a serial fizzle bomber, changing the future and creating a loop.

Either way, this movie is so messed up (in a good way)!

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No because the Fizzle bomber is just him.
You know that they always say that thing about who comes first...The Chicken or the Egg... It is all built to be a huge paradox loop.. that never begin and never end ;)

yeah...such a great movie !!

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No man... you don't have to try understand when it began
It's a paradox and it never begin and never end

Just because Jane and John and Ethan Hawke and the Fizzle bomber are all the same person

She is the daughter of herself with himself
So nobody none can exist before the others

the characters are:

little Jane
Jane as an adult
The first John
the second John (Ethan Hawke)
the Fizzle Bomber

and they are always the same person !!

here's the time line (the Jane / john life ... not the movie)

Little Jane was born and is kidnapped by the second John and is carried in the past
Little Jane grows and becomes the adult Jane.
The adult Jane meets first John out of the university
Jane and John fall in love and conceive little Jane
Jane gives birth to little Jane and undergoes physical damage during birth and become the first John
First John starts living as a man and writes for a magazine
The first John meets the second John at the bar
The two John traveling together in the past
The first John meets Jane out of the university
The first John leave Jane and starts chasing the Fizzle bomber
The first John suffers face burns a meeting with the Fizzle Bomber
The first John becomes the second John (Ethan Hawke)
The second John goes to the bar to meet the first John
Together they go into the past
While the first John meets Jane out of the university:
the second John succeeds only to help the first John just face-burned, and then goes to kidnap little Jane and takes her in the past to start again the circle.
The second John fetches the first John who has to leave Jane
The second John retires
The second John discovers that Fizzle bomber is himself and kills him
The second John understands that the only thing he wants is to meet himself again and decides to really start to be the Fizzle Bomber.

... And again .... and again .... and again ... and again ....

SUCH A GREAT MOVIE !!!!!!

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