I'm curious of the ages of fans of this type of film. Hollywood is flooding the theaters with Super Hero films, animated nonsense and action films. Are there any "thinking" film fans still left out there that choose to view something other than cartoons ?
Those fans of Marvel and other comic books, don't get me wrong, I understand the artwork and writing involved. And some of these films are well done and well acted. It just seems to me that Hollywood is forcing these films on the public and making remake after remake, apparently the general public is paying to see them.
Whatever happened to films like Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, Apocalypse Now, Raging Bull or Ghandi ? Are the intellectual films and fans a thing of the past?
It is currently the summer of 2016, and the most publicized new films are the new Avengers film, Angry Birds and the Secret Lives of Pets, give me a break.
It is currently the summer of 2016, and the most publicized new films are the new Avengers film, Angry Birds and the Secret Lives of Pets, give me a break.
Isn't there some theater near you playing some unknown movie starring some unknown actor that you can go see? I'm sure it will be nominated for an Oscar and soon forgotten so you can congratulate yourself for liking it.
We get it. Movies are "serious matter" for you, and there should only be movies which deal with serious matters. You made that quite obvious by your list - there are only a couple of movies listed which could be considered comedies.
"there are only a couple of movies listed which could be considered comedies.
Actually there are quite a few however most people would not consider them as comedies, "Buffalo 66", "Man on the Moon", "Little Big Man" and at least a dozen others that would qualify as "tongue in cheek" comedies, I should include "Serial Mom" in my list. Hopefully that satisfies your comment.
I do appreciate the well thought out comments, but that doesn't alter my feelings on my original post. The Godfather, The Shining, Tootsie, Deliverance, all were given huge publicity and advertising support by the studios that created them, where are they now?
Whatever happened to films like Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, Apocalypse Now, Raging Bull or Ghandi ? Are the intellectual films and fans a thing of the past?
If you're over 13, you should really be ashamed of yourself.
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I'm 64 & those are brilliant films. Chinatown is my favorite film. Hollywood fears unknown quantities. They like sequels & remakes, because they have a guaranteed audience. 'Hollywood' studio films aren't about artistry---but business.
Coming to this board to try and shove your personal preferences down other peoples throats makes you a child regardless of your age. And how do you define "artistry"?
"how do you define "artistry"?" A film that makes me think and want to be creative. Art is something to contemplate, not to be devoured like an ice cream soda. The only way I can express this to you people is to say that I have extremely high standards with regard to cinema. There are very few films that I can actually enjoy, they must be either clever, very well done or contain an incredible performance. My original post was basically to say that the mainstream films in the present age don't offer anything close to this.
"Coming to this board to try and shove your personal preferences down other peoples throats makes you a child regardless of your age"
This is a forum, opinions are expressed, where did I shove anything down someone's throat ? You disagree so you resort to insults, that above anything I have posted reflects immaturity.
It is currently the summer of 2016, and the most publicized new films are the new Avengers film, Angry Birds and the Secret Lives of Pets, give me a break.
Do you gravitate towards these kinds of movies so much you don't notice all the other movies coming out ? You seem to be blind to anything other than what the media tells you to like, if you only go by the 'most publicized' list. Because if you don't, you wouldn't be asking this question:
Whatever happened to films like Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, Apocalypse Now, Raging Bull or Ghandi ? Are the intellectual films and fans a thing of the past?
Because they're clearly still out there, something you'd know if you were a fan of such movies.
I'm not sure if you can't comprehend that people can like ALL KINDS of different films. Also Hollywood doesn't "force" a film on anyone, there's plenty of movies out there for everyone's tastes. Yes the 1970's had a special kind of cinema, you forgot a few other classics, many of which I saw IN the theater.
But growing up on super hero comics I'm lad they're in the flesh and on the screen nowadays. If they keep making them until I'm 100 I'll keep watching them. Maybe we'll get a good Fantastic Four by then.
Equating the admiration of fantasy stories to immaturity is in itself a sign of arrested development...
Now, many of my favorite movies are ones you would probably deem "thinking" films... Lawrence of Arabia, Godfather, Apocalypse Now..
But... Where do you draw the line? Is Blade Runner a thinking man's film? Is 2001? They have sci fi elements. Does that exclude them from your list of mature films? What about a really well made fantasy movie like The Lord of the Rings? Great story and characters... But it has trolls and monsters so it must be for dumber audiences, right?
Ok, I know I'm exaggerating your point for effect, but seriously... Are you judging movies on their concept or their actual content? Spider-Man 2 for example has some stellar character development. TDK has a gripping story with brilliant acting. Are some comic book movies just pure popcorn fun? Yes. But then again, some "intellectual" movies, particularly some recent Oscar nominees are just hallow and pretentious, devoid of any real quality or intelligence. Maturity is not earned on lost by the concept of a story. So many people forget that.
All that being said though. I would love to see Hollywood make more movies like Apocalypse Now and Lawrence of Arabia, but superhero movies are not to blame. It's all the pseudo intelligent Oscar bait crap that takes their would be place in the film industry...
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It's all the pseudo intelligent Oscar bait crap that takes their would be place in the film industry...
And these movies SUCK! How many of these "Oscar Nominated" movies are actually on TV five years after their Oscar season is over? So many of them are over-hyped and under-interesting.
I can't tell you how many of the modern nominated movies I've tried to watch and
And I like a good story. I just don't like being told that some pretentious, uninteresting story is great.
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And these movies SUCK! How many of these "Oscar Nominated" movies are actually on TV five years after their Oscar season is over? So many of them are over-hyped and under-interesting.
I've started seeing Oscar movies like fashion shows; the reason these particular movies get nominated is because they have a few ground breaking elements (a cinematographic technique, a next-level performance, a dramatic approach, etc.) that could set a new standard or pave the way for other movies to utilize, but usually the thing itself that comes by on that catwalk is too ridiculous to produce in its entirety. Just look at the nonsense they show at a fashion show or a concept car show, and then go out and try to find any of what's displayed in a store.
They're supposed to inspire creativity like art, not be consumed like a product itself.
That's why some of the most brilliant movies don't have a very high rewatchabillity, but certain key elements they contain turn up in a lot of movies that do.
It's very rare that a movie comes along that does both, and those are what I consider masterpieces.
I look at them like the "artsy" restaurants where they do all of this fancy, stupid sh!t to the food, you pay $50 for the meal, and you get about 3 bites of food - some of which is cr*p you wouldn't normally eat if it was offered to you when you went to someone's house.
I'm not saying it should all be "meat and potatoes", but dropping a couple hundred on a meal which doesn't fill you up is stupid.
And that's how I feel about most of the nominated movies. Then when you combine that with those movies being forgotten very quickly, and I rest my case.
Which is the exact same principle. That very expensive plate might make you think "Maybe I'll use truffles in my meatloaf sometimes", but it'll never make you think, "Let's eat here every week for the next four years". You'll remember the truffles, not the meal.
What makes me shudder is when people use terms like "classic" or "deep" when discussing films such as the Matrix, which had to use ridiculous action scenes to keep the attention of the unthinking masses.
It's as if they are reading Shakespeare but require a "pop up" book version in order to keep their attention.
There are a few films which use fantasy in a clever way, Hitch hikers guide to the universe for one, Brazil, I could name a few. And YES 2001 is on my top 50. Most newer Hollywood style films rely on the action and fantasy rather than a good story line or script.
I do scan through the movie channels searching for new well done films, "Breakfast on Pluto" was one that really struck me, have any of you seen that film?
My point was that it has become increasingly difficult to find these types of films, they certainly don't rule at the box office. Hollywood churns out *beep* for a dullard society.
Do you even buy into this pretentious *beep* you're spewing out? I love all kinda of movies, especially the higher brow films you've mentioned. But come on dude, you give guys who appreciate movies as an artform a bad name. People who like Avenger movies are not idiots. People who like The Matrix are not slow. Really believing that implies that you're incredibly narrow-minded and pompous. Incredibly well-constructed films still exist today. You just have to get off your ass, support for local indie theater, or shut up.