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AoU does exactly what a sequel should.


There seems to be a fair amount of people who claimed AoU to be disappointing. Although that seems less of an issue now as most of this board seems mainly positive, but on the film's initial release the response was more mixed.

And AoU still has quite a lower rating here than the 1st film while I do hear some take nasty stabs at it here and there. And I'll be honest, I've never really understood why. AoU improves on it's predecessor in every conceivable way yet still people aren't happy. It's a better film.

But I think the problem lies not with the film being underrated, it got mostly good reviews and was disliked by many but loved by a slight majority. I think that's fair. It's more that the first film is overrated. Don't get me wrong, it's a fun film. But it is adored by everyone. Does it really deserve to be put on that pedestal?

If anyone has a decent argument for the 1st film's superiority then feel free to reply. I'm interested. But here's my stance on why the sequel is a big improvement.

Firstly, lets deal with the sequel's detractors. There is no criticism that I've heard that doesn't equally apply to the first film.

secondly, and most importantly, in order for me to claim how the sequel improves I must address the 1st film's flaws.

1- There is little story. It amounts to nothing more than- bad guy wants to take over the world, he gets some aliens to help him, the Avengers stop them. This thin plot directly relates to our 2nd issue.

2-There is way too much exposition. Yes there are scenes of banter, chemistry and character development, which is great. There are also many extended scenes where our heroes hang around talking about trivial crap at great length just to bump up the running time. This does get tiresome.

3-The bad guy sucks. Another thing I'm baffled by is Loki's bizarre popularity. Again, if someone wants to explain it to me please do. Tom Hiddleston is a good actor elsewhere, but here he's hammy and cheesy as hell. A panto villain with little depth.

4-The action is devoid of tension. It's skillfully directed and looks awesome, but the faceless,CGI, cartoony aliens pose no threat. The Avengers slap them aside with ease and as such, we feel no threat. We feel no danger. As such, we cannot enjoy the action on the level we are supposed to.

5-The jokes range from funny (most of which we already saw in the trailer) the meh, to the embarrassingly awkward (that whole Agent Causon "I don't know what this gun does" cringefest).

Yeah, I did enjoy the film. But it's not the peak of entertainment many claim. So here's how AoU accomplishes what a sequel should and improves.

1-The story/themes are more substantial. The film explores the whole A.I. thing. Not very deeply, especially compared to recent films like Ex Machina, but it's still more than the 1st film gave us and thus holds our attention a little better. And because there is more going on we get a lot less exposition. The film flows better.

2-Better Bad Guy. Ultron has more motive, he's more threatening, he's more interesting and most importantly, James Spader gives a much better performance.

3-The Action is way better. The Avenger's battle adversaries played by real people, The Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, who have interesting, visceral abilities and do pose a threat. Ultron poses a threat.

Yes the finale still has them battling bits of CGI again, but CGI always seems to look more convincing with metal than skin, so it doesn't look quite as cartoony.

When the Avengers fight each other it's actually for a valid reason. In the 1st film when they clashed it felt contrived. It didn't seem organic or natural. It just felt like they were fighting for the sake of it, because the audience wanted to see them fight.

4-The humour is a lot more consistent and a lot more frequent. The jokes are rattled off so quickly and confidently that if they were bad, you didn't notice as much. Unlike in the 1st film which really pushed it's gags sometimes. That Agent Caulson/gun example I used before being a prime example. It spent so long setting it up, dwelling on it, that you really felt the tumblweed blow by if you didn't find it funny. The banter and chemistry is also better. The whole thing at the party with Thor's hammer, etc, etc.

The one issue I do hear people level at AoU is that it spends time setting up later films whereas a film should be a complete story. Ok, but Civil War spent a lot more time doing the very same thing and even ended unresolved. Yet the film was universally celebrated. I personally don't find this element a problem in either case, I even quite like it. But you can't criticize one film for something but not another for doing exactly the same thing. Criticize both films or neither.

So that's why I feel AoU is the more deserving film. If you disagree fair enough. But I do think that with the 1st film people got swept up in the excitement and remember it as better than it actually is. It's this memory people are comparing the sequel to. A memory that no sequel could ever match.





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I like the first film but it just feels like 'the gang gets together' for the most part, like we're just getting the ball rolling. And now, when I look at it, it feels a little slow. I did like Loki. There's something about him that I enjoy watching, kind of like a 'bad boy' more than a pure villain.

I loved AOU because it hit the ground running, and they felt and acted like family and team right from the getgo. I liked Ultron, liked his personality, the reflections of Tony you saw in him; and his hatred of Tony and yet his desire for approval and understanding of what he wanted to do.

I also enjoyed the addition of the enhanced (Wanda and Pietro). Plus, I really enjoyed what they did with Hawkeye, and giving him more depth. I liked the fact they gave one Avenger a stable life (family) and relationship, making him the everyman of the team. To me, this addition, and him, added heart to the film (and the team).

I even understood the relationship between Banner and Natasha, though it is a sad one, and it will be interesting to see their next conversation after Ragnorak and coming into IW.

I also thought they did a good job of laying ground work for Civil War. Watching this movie after seeing Civil War was interesting.

Both are good, but AOU is the more watchable to me.

But that's just my opinion.

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Couldn't agree more.

I also liked how they acted like a family. It made the banter more amusing and natural.

The whole gang getting together thing of the 1st one did feel partly like they were repeating what we'd already seen in the set up solo films. At least for the first third.

I think they should have started the film with the Avengers on their first mission. They could still dislike each other and argue. Maybe if they then failed in this first mission because they couldn't work together well it would establish the whole teamwork theme of the film better. It would then be more satisfying when they do get it together in the final battle.

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I wish I could reply with something more substantial, but alas I agree with your every point.

I will never cease to be confused as to why Loki is celebrated by most as the best MCU villain. He is weak and annoying and not interesting, and is my least favorite part of Avengers Assemble.

On the other hand, the most common complaints I see about AoU are probably the Bruce/Natasha relationship and Ultron being a weak villain. However, I loved the sweet relationship and I loved the villain.

AoU has more character development. Each character (except Thor) actually has development and some semblance of an arc. Contrastingly, Avengers Assemble has to do the heavy lifting of setting up these characters together and their relationships, leaving no time for actual individual character development IMO.

(Also I will never get over what they did with Hawkeye. Why would you take a character, in his FIRST appearance in the MCU, and make him a brainwashed zombie? I finished Avengers Assemble and still felt I knew nothing about Hawkeye.)

So, yeah. I loved AoU for its villain, what it did with its characters, and of course the action was great. Avengers Assemble is great and very fun bt I'm unsure why it's heralded as the best MCU film.

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On the other hand, the most common complaints I see about AoU are probably the Bruce/Natasha relationship and Ultron being a weak villain. However, I loved the sweet relationship and I loved the villain.


The thing is, even if they are right and Ultron is a weak villain, he still has more substance than Loki.

(Also I will never get over what they did with Hawkeye. Why would you take a character, in his FIRST appearance in the MCU, and make him a brainwashed zombie? I finished Avengers Assemble and still felt I knew nothing about Hawkeye.)


That's another thing I remember being disappointed with at the time. I look forward to seeing new characters on screen that I know little about, but they wasted him. And because I knew little about him when he was turned, I didn't really care. If it had happened later in the film after his character was developed, it would have been more affecting.

Luckily I think Civil War is now probably heralded as the best MCU film, which I think I'd agree with.

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There seems to be a fair amount of people who claimed AoU to be disappointing. Although that seems less of an issue now as most of this board seems mainly positive, but on the film's initial release the response was more mixed.

And AoU still has quite a lower rating here than the 1st film while I do hear some take nasty stabs at it here and there. And I'll be honest, I've never really understood why. AoU improves on it's predecessor in every conceivable way yet still people aren't happy. It's a better film.

But I think the problem lies not with the film being underrated, it got mostly good reviews and was disliked by many but loved by a slight majority.


The amount of people that spewed hate surrounding this movie was never fair. From day one they were mostly fans of other franchises trying to knock down or tarnish the king. It really does mostly amount to that and it still goes on to this day because the MCU keeps growing stronger.

AoU certainly isn't flawless and anything it chose to omit was seized upon by MCU haters to try and magnify. It was always irrelevant chatter.

AoU is loaded with excitement and character dynamic. Honestly, lack of depth on a few fronts is a legitimate critique but it doesn't diminish the greatness of the sequel. Had they developed Vision or Ultron's origins more then the movie would have been a marathon. Proper choices were made as to where to focus attention.

Overall, a remarkable movie.









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The amount of people that spewed hate surrounding this movie was never fair. From day one they were mostly fans of other franchises trying to knock down or tarnish the king. It really does mostly amount to that and it still goes on to this day because the MCU keeps growing stronger.


Yeah, that's definitely a big reason. I hate all that franchise-bias mentality. I'm a film fan 1st and foremost. I don't care about the source of the film, if it's good it's good, if it's not, it's not. It makes no difference to me if Marvel is better than DC. They both make films that interest me and they both make films that bore me. These people may be able to destroy a film's credibility, but the biggest casualty is the truth.

AoU is loaded with excitement and character dynamic. Honestly, lack of depth on a few fronts is a legitimate critique but it doesn't diminish the greatness of the sequel.


Oh, I agree, there is a lack of depth, but I kind of expected that. It's gonna happen in these big ensemble films. And The Avengers is supposed to be a bit of fun.

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Agreed 100%. I personally think Ultron was a great villain and his reasons are extremely valid.

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