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No need for another Bond film

posted 3 years ago by mkqq (6)
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I really think that there is no need for another immediate follow-up Bond movie. Craig's series was the perfect wrap-up to the 60 year franchise. Unlike the previous Bond movies Craig's series is a self contained series that has a beginning-middle-end. This linearity was completely absent from the previous Bond movies. Also not to mention that Craig did a fantastic job as Bond.

I just can't see what more story there is to tell? I'm open to ideas but to me any further Bond films will just feel like a forgettable "encore" of a concert. This is also unfair and potentially detrimental to the actor that plays the next Bond as he/she will be more of an "after-thought".

Sure if they want to make a cash-grab then by all means make another Bond movie. People will certainly pay to go see it.

But from a story/quality/continuity point of view I think they should just leave it here. Go out on a high. Quit while you're ahead.

Maybe not permanently, but at least don't make another movie immediately. Give it at least 20 years before another remake.

[–] FootOfDavros (8246) 3 years ago

I would agree that there certainly isn't a requirement for any further Daniel Craig soap opera "Bond" films to ever be made.

I mean they managed to make what, 20 or so ? hugely successful (for the most part) Bond films before the Craig tenure began and they managed to do so without having some stupid requirement to make a continuous narrative.

Bond worked to a fixed formula which was well loved for decades but then someone comes along trying to do something "fresh" and all of a sudden, for the sake of a one trick pony, the franchise is bust and you have to turn it in to soap opera which incredibly some people seem to think equates to some uptick in quality!

Skyfall was the last straw for me personally but from what I've read even Craig fans are fed up by narrative turns taken and the attempts to stitch everything together.

There's a great opportunity now to go back and start making proper standalone fun Bond films. The challenge is there for good directors to prove themselves by being able to make a classic Bond within its formula. It's a chance to prove your artistry.

But yes hopefully, in terms of what it's become recently, we've no need for another one of these "Bond" films...

[–] WhereIsRent (1080) 3 years ago

Unfortunately the Craig movies have been the most successful at the box office. If they'd got No Time to Die out in 2019 and having marketed it as Craig's last one I reckon it could have easily made as much as Skyfall did at the box office. Now with COVID I think it'll be lucky if it even makes Die Another Day levels of money at the box office.

I'd love for them to go back to making standalone Bond movies now as well but I get the feeling they'll just follow the money, play it safe and reboot with someone else emulating the style of Craig's Bond.

[–] FootOfDavros (8246) 3 years ago

Maybe but if they were going to do that, then I'd agree with the OP that it'd just be a waste of time.

I'm not sure Craig's movies have been the most successful box office wise - I know Skyfall did particularly well but I don't think his others stand above the others either in terms of inflation based or Vs budget terms.

Ideally we should have two Bonds going forward - A return to proper formulaic fun standalone movies released in cinemas and some kind of high quality TV series reasonably faithfully following the Fleming novels. That second option is where Daniel Craig's "Bond" should have existed imo.

[–] WhereIsRent (1080) 3 years ago

I agree, bring back the fun now for the cinema released films. Die Another Day was gloriously over the top and ridiculous and I had a blast watching that movie in the cinema. The Fast & Furious movies are making so much money at the box office with their ridiculous action, I want Bond movies again where there's cars equipped with weapons and gadgets chasing each other over a frozen lake.

I especially loved the bit where Bond uses the ejector seat to flip the Vanquish the right way up again. Bring back the bonkers!

And yeah have some TV series adapting the Fleming novels, that's actually a brilliant idea, hopefully Amazon do something like that seeing as they've bought MGM.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

Die Another Day is a huge guilty pleasure for me and I don’t think it’s that bad. My only real complaint is they recycled the whole space laser satellite plot and we have already seen that twice. But then again how many times have we seen the climax of a Bond movie coming down to him having to disarm a bomb? (Goldfinger, Octopussy, A View To A Kill, The World Is Not Enough, etc)

[–] WhereIsRent (1080) 3 years ago

Same here, Die Another Day starts out really well and has some entertaining action scenes. You're right the third act is the weakest part of the film and it goes a bit too ridiculous in parts but it has a great opening with Bond infiltrating North Korea and escaping on hovercraft.

[–] MovieChatUser497 (18943) 3 years ago

The thing is I don’t even think the final act is that ridiculous, I mean at least Bond didn’t go to SPAAAAACE. Yeah it’s a bit silly in some place but I loved the car chase and the sword fight between Jinx and Frost (although Bond and Grave’s fight could have been better, all it really was was them making a bunch of moaning sounds),

But as for the first act I loved the concept of Bond getting caught and then blacklisted because they think he ratted. And the scene where he walks into the hotel soaking wet like he owns the place was freaking hilarious. That is so the kind of thing James Bond would do

[–] Quint (957) 3 years ago

The Craig movies (they arent Bond movies at all, cause he is most times a crybaby) have done average at the box office. They arent even near the Dalton Bond movies. You have to realise that there is a thing called inflation. And when you calculate the box office results with thos Thunderball is still the most successful Bond movie ever. The Craig movies are just somewhere in the middle of that list.

[–] Quint (957) 3 years ago

Foot, that would be nice. But woke snowflakes wont let escapism exist. Therefor alone there wouldnt be any fun movies. Especially not Bond movies. And even more important: They destroyed Bond. How could you watch another Bond movie and think of it as fun when you know that this character was killed. You copuld indeed watch the real Bond movies, which arent connected to the Craig soap opera movies. Thanks god :) . But you cant watch further Bond movies without knowing that this is just another boring action character, which already was destroyed.

Thats how good they destroyed the Bond series. There is no chance anymore to reboot or restart it, cause Bond has lost everything. All they are trying to do now is movies about a female MI6 agent. Which will indeed stay for at best for 2 movies (if its not getting the same treatment by the audience as Ghostbusters 2016 and stay for only one movie).

But whatever they are doing it doesnt matter anymore. The Bond series is history.

[–] keithmovies (627) 3 years ago

The soap opera or "broken psyche" writing agenda and the insistence on character diversity for the sake of virtue signalling to the audience, has certainly hampered the films in the sense of taken away their primary character as light entertainment and fantasy.

That said, relying on the formula has not stopped some lacklustre efforts among the classic films. A serious effort at producing a credible but not overly personal history drama driven film, focused on role details and plot meaning as well as fantastical imaginative elements I think is the path forward.

[–] Galactus03 (4376) 3 years ago

I agree. Though in 20 years I will probably be close to dead....😂....

[–] BigMom (2021) 3 years ago

Who should be the new Bond? Tom Hiddleston? James Norton? Henry Cavill? Idris Elba? Tom Hardy? Cillian Murphy?

[–] JaqenHgar (731) 3 years ago

After "The Night Manager" came out, I would have been onboard with Hiddleston. If this was 10 years ago, I may have even gone with Richard Armitage or Gerard Butler. If I had to choose now, I would probably go with Cavill or Hiddleston. I don't think Cillian Murphy has that "Bond" look to him. If Idris wanted to be in on a project like this, and I was in charge of the Bond franchise, I would just create a new 00 character for him to play.

[–] BigMom (2021) 3 years ago

I agree Hiddleston is my favorite choice too

[–] Keelai (34981) 3 years ago

An unknown.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 3 years ago

So who is it?

[–] Keelai (34981) 3 years ago

An unknown actor would be a great choice like Craig was.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 3 years ago

Yeah, but who is it?

[–] FootOfDavros (8246) 3 years ago

MC fan favourite Eliot Page of course!

[–] actionkamen (23176) 3 years ago

Or Greta Thunberg!

[–] acidraindrop (3055) 3 years ago

I wish people would stop bumping Greta's page omfg

[–] Keelai (34981) 3 years ago

There's money to be made! The studio is probably working on a script now.

[–] Enigmaticocean77 (2446) 3 years ago

So, killing off one of the most profitable characters in history was a good thing? WTF kind of logic is that? You sound like a film studio plant. Killing of one of the most profitable characters in history is one of the dumbest things that a film studio can do. You do realize that film studios exist to make money right? It sure sounds like you are not aware of that simple fact...

[–] Roguemail (1614) 3 years ago

They will reboot it with another actor...as they have done many times before.

A reboot does not have to follow the continuity of previous movies, so he can still be alive.

[–] Enigmaticocean77 (2446) 3 years ago

They never killed him. Killing him will piss a lot of people off when they find out, and as a result they will not buy a return ticket to see the movie again, nor will they buy a ticket to see any kind of reboot out of shear anger- yes movie goers like that do exist. Also, the series wasn't rebooted until Craig came in. All the pre-existing bond films (prior to Craig) were continuous even if they didn't always reference one another. The original poster (who has only two posts under their belt, with both posts being on this board- hello plant) say's that the franchise should wait 20 freakin' years before another Bond film is made. How is that profitable. Profit is the sole reason for a film studio to exist- it certainly isn't to make good films anymore (anyone with half a brain cell can see that). Killing him was a dumb way to go, replacing him with (of course) a woman and further more a black woman (just to show that white men can easily be replaced by a black woman) was more woke studio shyt. Of course shills (like yourself) and the plants on Rotten Tomatoes will praise this crap as being cutting edge and daring, but all it does it piss off the majority of the fans. And before you go after me for being racist. I'd be just as pissed off if George Jefferson was replaced by a white woman! Icons exist for a reason and should not be disrespected in order to fulfill some kind of insane woke political agenda.

[–] Roguemail (1614) 3 years ago

They only killed the current incarnation of Bond. With a reboot they can bring him back.

And I will say again, no one connected with the movie has made any official statement regarding the next Bond being female, apart from the occasional personal opinions from cast members. Which means nothing.

I find it hilarious that the inclusion of Lashana Lynch and her briefly becoming 007 has stirred a hornets nest among the terminally outraged. It was deliberately put out there before the release to create controversy and keep the movie in the minds of the public. Lynchs character was never going to retain the 007 title.

And are those same people also fine with the notion of Q being revealed as Gay? Or was the reference far too subtle for them?

[–] Quint (957) 3 years ago

They destroyed him. There is nothing left of Bond. How to reboot when you know that this guy already failed ultimately? Thats why they destroyed him. So that there is now way back at all. He is dead! And being dead takes usually a lot of time.

[–] Guitar King (4911) 3 years ago

Yes, Barbra Brocolli will reboot it with another actor named Lashana Lynch who will eventually be replaced by Bond's daughter.

[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 3 years ago

Lol That sounds like a continuation not a reboot, but at least it will keep that Q and that Tanner guy in work!

[–] Roguemail (1614) 3 years ago

And you know this...how?

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 3 years ago

We can get back to proper Bond films now that the meh Craig era is over. Let's face it, only Casino Royale was decent.

There's loads more stories to tell. Just look at the world today. I can think of a dozen threats that could be adapted to a Bond villain threat.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 3 years ago

Nah, we already have Mission: Impossible for fun gadget-laden spy action movies. Bond is for grimdark talky talky spy soap operas only. With deaths! And kids!

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 3 years ago

Unpopular opinion, Timothy Dalton did Daniel Craig Bond better than Daniel Craig.

[–] overseas7 (4337) 3 years ago

Timothy Dalton was a great Bond.

[–] MovieKnut (184) 3 years ago

Dalton was the best Bond. Wish he had done more.

[–] RogueDemonHunter (2684) 3 years ago

Yeah. A shame he only did two. That said, Goldeneye is one of favourite Bond films which Brosnan absolutely nailed. Though we can enjoy what little Dalton Bond we got. There's a reason he's frequently considered the best Bond.

[–] bond998 (1213) 3 years ago

At least Timothy Dalton wasn't a complete bore to watch.

[–] Towelie_Towel (1773) 3 years ago

I agree.

[–] MovieReporter (20) 3 years ago

I’ve always appreciated Dalton as Bond. Once the disappointment of NTTD settles, I fancy revisiting an era of Bond that managed to do serious without spoiling the fun.