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The Ending and the Real Story (spoilers)

posted 10 years ago by DreamHopeReality
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Joe had the gun in her hand in bed. To me, this can only mean premeditation: she has already told the story about the gun and her coat, so she was not hiding it.

This clue leads me to believe that her 'debt collector' story, which may or may not be true, revealed her intention behind the whole 'confession': She was indeed trying to crack Seligman, and almost failed as the man showed no emotion to any of her sex stories. She always needed a clue to start her story perhaps because she was making at least part of it up on the go. Even Seligman noted several times how unbelievable her story has been.

Joe most likely is a nymph, and she certainly is a sociopath. These are her 'skill set', and she used it in this film.

Rammstein's 'Lead Me' is another clue: I guess it means Seligman is another sociopath, whose supposed sexual purity, as contrasted by Joe's sexual deviance, hints at his intellectual deviance.

[–] VVolfySnackrib 10 years ago

A very good interpretation. I had similar thoughts but only in a fleeting sense. I can't say whether it is likely to be the interpretation that Von Trier had in mind upon making this movie, but there are some very important strange things happening at the end that leads me to think about completely different things than that interpretation because the impression I got of the ending, to me, makes this movie unlike anything I have ever seen before. If your interpretation was accurate and that that interpretation was the full truth with nothing to expand upon, then it would not be different from certain other movies I have seen before. So I am very undecided.

Regardless, I consider this movie one of the best I have seen.

[–] FortySecondStreetFreak 10 years ago

Utter rubbish. You had no grasp of this film or the characters!

The gun WAS NOT in her hand, it was in the coat hanging on the end of the bed.
I'm the pocket we saw her put it in when it failed to fire.

She told him she didn't want it washed when he was going to pick it up.
As she knew the gun was in it.

[–] smcbee27 9 years ago

You're a bit rude & conceded. He mistook one thing, the gun. Doesn't make him "not grasp" the film. What's your perfect take in her character and stories. Please share so we can be in awe.

[–] dimsung_09 9 years ago

You are *beep* brilliant! Well done!!

[–] ThreeSadTigers 9 years ago

That's a rather brilliant theory and would play into the idea of Joe's stories all being constructed (or "made up") from the miscellanea of Seligman's room.

[–] massacor 9 years ago

she told a story about a gun based on the stain on the wall that looked like a gun, but it turned out she really did have a gun
?

[–] smcbee27 9 years ago

I agree. Since she was baseing all her stories on objects in his room I felt a very "The Usual Suspects" type read goung on. But I don't understand is the why.