He was not going to rape her.
He detested that kind of behavior.
She woke a sleeping giant.
She and he became friends [kindred] spirits.
He seemed as if he wanted her to be his first.
Sex with him in her situation was about one day to late.
He did pull a scumbag move there, but the film took a 180 from being objective to total feminist *beep* Him doing that was so out of character but coupled with the rad fem rant/note the film ended on, it was a forced turn to a "all men are rapest" message. The same thing with Gerome's development, but it tried to show us that he was a *beep* up guy all along.
The fact of the matter was that she was a *beep* person, regardless of gender. The film tried to claim a double standard, but of a male had done all those things, he'd be just as *beep* up.
How exactly does that explain that it was not attempted rape? Even if he didn't think it was rape in some twisted way, that doesn't mean that's not what it was.
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Was he holding her down or restraining her, did he threaten her. NO, he wanted sex, there was no attempted rape. Do you actually think he felt she would not wake up?
Attempted rape does not have to be intended rape. I am rather disturbed by the number of people on here who think that pressing your genitals against a sleeping person you are not already in an intimate relationship with, and without prior discussion (and agreement), is a perfectly decent way to "ask" someone if they want to have sex with you. It's not. It's attempted rape.
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It is difficult to make point with someone whom is defending a woman rights when it comes to sex. I am well aware of what is attempted rape. I feel we are on two different paths. I am looking at that scene as happened from all we have learned from the previous parts of the film, not the last act all by itself. There is so much going on and things that said that trying to rape her to me just does not fit.
That, to me, is the real problem with the ending - it does not fit. I felt that the act depicted on screen was entirely out of character, and it frustrated me. But that is an easier conclusion to me than trying to justify the act as anything other than rape. I can't see any reason why he would have waited for her to go to sleep except that he anticipated (or feared) that she would (or might) say no, and wanted to try to get away with it anyway. That's attempted rape.
share I respect what you are saying,but this I can't see any reason why he would have waited for her to go to sleep except that he anticipated (or feared) that she would (or might) say no, and wanted to try to get away with it anyway. That's attempted rape. This Is just to easy of a way of looking at that scene.
If i can just add a couple of things, they basically left off at becoming new friends before he left the room. She stating she is changing her life. It is so obvious she was lying to him in his mind when she and her baby daddy met out of no where in the spot where she goes walking. That may have been one out of many. So maybe he feels her becoming a new person is just another lie. So he wants sex, to bond with her despite her lies. There are many more scenarios when looking at it from what was said and done previously in the film. Do as you see fit but you may have to drop the rape scenario to see more possible reasons for what he did.
That's all well and good, but the thing is, the man's intentions or beliefs don't change the fact that it was attempted rape (pretty sure I said this already). Regardless of his rationalizations or justifications, he tried to initiate sex with a person who was sleeping, without any kind of prior agreement or understanding (which is clear by the woman's reaction when she wakes up). "Wanting sex", and trying to take it from a woman who is sleeping (rather than asking or at least making a move while she's awake and attentive), is attempted rape.
Even if he thinks she was lying when she said she wanted to become a new person (and give up sex), that's a terrible defense - i.e., "she said she didn't want to have sex" "I know, your honor, but I figured she was just lying". Doesn't justify rape.
However you want to interpret the characters' motivations - and there is certainly room for different interpretations - I find it alarming for anyone to interpret that last scene as anything other than a man's attempt to initiate unconsented sex (i.e., rape). Even if you WANT the sex to be consensual, if she doesn't consent - and even if you've convinced yourself that when she says "no" she really means "yes" - it's rape. Is this really so hard to understand?
Oh my god, your argument that it's not attempted rape is ludicrous. I'm a guy and to me it's vey clear that he attempted to rape her, just by putting his penis there without her permission. It doesn't matter how many people she has willingly had sex with before or what kind of person you judge her to be, that does not give you the right to force yourself on her. I am shocked by your logic on this and a little scared frankly. :/
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Men like you, are the reason i still have faith in humanity. Thank you for being YOU.
pressing your genitals against a sleeping person you are not already in an intimate relationship with, and without prior discussion (and agreement), is [not] a perfectly decent way to "ask" someone if they want to have sex with you.
So your proposition is that if a woman swears to you that she is going to cut sex out of her life entirely, you tell her to go to sleep, wait for her to go to sleep, enter her room and insert your penis into her vagina (I don't get this "attempted" stuff, he penetrated her, the audio is quite clear on that matter, you don't get 'vagina sounds' from simply standing near a sleeping woman) that you're not raping her?
If I do the exact same thing to you and insert my penis into your ass while you are asleep, would that also not be rape? Would it simply be... what are you proposing? Hysterical over-reaction? Would it be that if you were to shoot me then?
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