Anyone who thinks they're still guilty are racist neocons.
'Nuff said!
shareYou see the argument is lost and you have nothing intelligent to say, thus you go straight to name-calling. 'Nuff said, indeed.
And yes, they're still guilty.
Here's the argument: The DNA-evidence matches Matias Reyes, who has a history of violent sex crimes and confessed to committing the crime alone. There is no evidence linking the Central Park 5 to the crime, their convictions were based on their coerced false confessions.
They may not be angels but they're not guilty and the justice system correctly vacated their convictions.
Your argument (what there is of it) has already been refuted on another thread, the aptly titled "They Are Guilty".
shareNice try, but you don't get to preemptively declare yourself the winner of an argument.
What am I supposed to see in that thread? From what I see in your posts (I'm assuming that's what we're talking about because everyone else is just bickering), you quote an article where Sheehan says that since they confessed on videotape, they must be guilty. But we've had people confess to crimes they didn't commit before, who try to recant their statement shortly after being manipulated, lied to, intimidated and put under heavy pressure by the police, but by that point it's too late and its only a decade later DNA evidence frees them. Where's the coercion? Where's the videotape of their interrogations? That would be interesting to see, and is a standard in most districts. Somehow it wasn't recorded here.
A police detective insisting they weren't coerced in a case where they're claiming they were coerced doesn't hold as much water since the DNA evidence freed them. Especially after they admitted to lying to the suspects.
The second article you quote amounts to hearsay and conjecture. None of it was submitted to the courts, and no one testified under oath to the veracity of those claims. We have no idea what the context is, none of the people mentioned had the balls to attribute their name to it, and it's basically nonsense. One of them said "Antron did it" and the cops didn't know what he was talking about? Did they forget what they picked him up for? They were responding to reports of multiple assaults, do you think he was possibly implicating his punk friend in that?
Even more nonsense is the idea that the confessions are true, despite the DNA evidence, when the confessions CANNOT BE TRUE if they don't include Matias Reyes, who is the only one who absolutely HAD to be there. Their confessions could not be believed based on that alone, and that is ignoring that their confessions didn't match on who initiated the attack, who knocked the victim to the ground, who undressed her, who raped her, etc. They literally don't make sense and are contrary to established fact.
Bad police work, false confessions, and being implicated by false confessions are a terrible combination for murders and other witness-less crimes. Why and how this happens has been documented before. What do you think happened to the Norfolk Four?
Nice try, but you don't get to preemptively declare yourself the winner of an argument.
Once my "opponent's" (and I use that term loosely)argument has deteriorated to saying "your momma", then I think it's safe to say the argument is over and I've won. You (unlike the aptly-named weinerboy who started this redundant thread) haven't yet sunk to that point, but all you are doing is repeating the same half-baked arguments from the other thread. Your post boils down to two points.
1. The confessions don't count.
2. The DNA proves Matias Reyes did it.
Sorry, but the confessions do count. If just one of the thugs had confessed to the crime, I could believe he caved in to police pressure. If two had confessed, I would still think it was possible. But all five? In front of their parents and guardians? To a female prosecutor while being videotaped? What sort of Jedi Mind-Powers do you think the New York City police have? All five of these punks gave detailed confessions and testimony against each other.
And yes, the DNA evidence proves Matias Reyes was there too. They knew the semen found at the scene didn't match any of the five at the original trial in 1989, this is nothing new. The only thing they didn't know was that the semen was from Matias Reyes. In her summation to the jury, prosecutor Elizabeth Lederer told the jurors: "Others who were not caught raped her and got away." But just because we now know Matias Reyes attacked her doesn't mean that the other five didn't also attack her. The jury knew this in 1989 and found all five guilty. Is that too complicated for you? No "new" evidence contradicts this.
So yeah, they're still guilty. If you're just going to say the same thing over and over again please post it to the "They Are Guilty" thread, as this thread is redundant.
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Sorry, but the confessions do count. If just one of the thugs had confessed to the crime, I could believe he caved in to police pressure. If two had confessed, I would still think it was possible. But all five? In front of their parents and guardians? To a female prosecutor while being videotaped? What sort of Jedi Mind-Powers do you think the New York City police have? All five of these punks gave detailed confessions and testimony against each other.Again, if you really don't believe multiple people can be intimidated into admitting to a crime they did not commit, then explain the Norfolk Four. Multiple men lead into confessing to a crime that they could not have committed because of an unscrupulous police department lying to them and playing them against each other. Every time the DNA evidence proved that the new confession was nonsense, they would throw in another suspect. When part of the confession was found to be false they would still uphold the previous confessions as true. This time they happened to get guilty people to begin with.
You can't say the confessions are true when they do not include Matias Reyes, that makes them, by definition, false confessions. They are not what happened and that puts the ENTIRE CONFESSION in doubt. You also can't say that the confessions are true when they all contradict each other on five major points in every confession. That's complete nonsense.
You're beyond reason if you're insisting the confessions are true despite contradicting established fact, as the justice system found. And most of all, you're beyond reason if you're insisting no "new" evidence changed anything when the justice department released all five of them based on that evidence. You're denying reality. share
You can't say the confessions are true when they do not include Matias Reyes, that makes them, by definition, false confessions. They are not what happened and that puts the ENTIRE CONFESSION in doubt. You also can't say that the confessions are true when they all contradict each other on five major points in every confession. That's complete nonsense.
Where do you come up with this stuff? Does that prove they weren't there, because they didn't know Matias Reyes by name? And what are these major contradictions? The jury didn't seem to think there were major contradictions at the original trials. Since you seem to know everything about the confessions, why don't you post links to the transcripts, so we can all see these alleged contradictions? You can't, can you? The truth is you've never seen the videotaped confessions or read the transcripts, and your claim of "major contradictions" is just crap.
And most of all, you're beyond reason if you're insisting no "new" evidence changed anything when the justice department released all five of them based on that evidence. You're denying reality.No, I'm denying your obvious lies. None of attackers convicted were released before they had served their sentences, they had all been released before Matias Reyes made his jailhouse confession. Their convictions were vacated after they had all done their time in prison primarily because a liberal judge caved in to massive political pressure. Obviously you just made up the part about them being released based on new evidence, just like your bogus claim that the confessions contradict each other.
So yes, the confessions still count, it still doesn't matter that Matias Reyes was there too, you still haven't backed up any of your claims, and the Central Park Five are still guilty. share
Where do you come up with this stuff? Does that prove they weren't there, because they didn't know Matias Reyes by name? And what are these major contradictions? The jury didn't seem to think there were major contradictions at the original trials. Since you seem to know everything about the confessions, why don't you post links to the transcripts, so we can all see these alleged contradictions? You can't, can you? The truth is you've never seen the videotaped confessions or read the transcripts, and your claim of "major contradictions" is just crap.
There was no jury and no trial. They confessed so they convicted them even though they retracted their confessions within a week. And sometimes the jury is wrong anyways regardless. So that is a bull crap example you gave. Each of the major points were contradicted to each persons confession. These individuals were lied to and threatened and intimidated and were in a room for 30 hours. There are dozens of examples in history where people are falsely accused of a crime and dozens of examples in history when someone or some group of people are innocent by still confessed due to lies, intimidation, threats, etc. There are no transcripts or video tapes released because they were probably all burned. You are a racist plain and simple
No, I'm denying your obvious lies. None of attackers convicted were released before they had served their sentences, they had all been released before Matias Reyes made his jailhouse confession. Their convictions were vacated after they had all done their time in prison primarily because a liberal judge caved in to massive political pressure. Obviously you just made up the part about them being released based on new evidence, just like your bogus claim that the confessions contradict each other.
Oh, I see, you are just a typical conservative who is upset that these free black men are innocent. Like Joe Biden said, you all want them back in chains. Because you do. You have no common sense, all you have is their confessions that they were lied and manipulated and threatened to confess and even though you ignore the DNA proof and even though you ignore the fact that the individuals retracted their confessions within the week. You still want them to be guilty. Nothing gives you a bigger boner than seeing black people in prison, especially if they are innocent. He/she didn't make up any part on them being released based on new evidence, that is a fact.
Confessions don't count if they retracted their confessions and if their confessions were all different from each other and if they were threatened, intimidated, lied to, and manipulated which they all were. share
There was no jury and no trial. They confessed so they convicted them even though they retracted their confessions within a week.
It's pretty obvious you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Why don't you just type "Central Park Jogger Trials" into Google and see what comes up?
Since you're just making up your "facts" as you go along there's not much point in arguing with you. Everything you've written is just a bunch of lies and name-calling. It doesn't matter how many times you call me a racist, that doesn't change the fact that these scumbags were convicted in 1989 at their trials by the juries who were actually in the courtrooms, and the scumbags served their entire sentences in prison. They were never declared "Not Guilty", their convictions were vacated after they had served their time. That's a big difference. They were never set free based on "new evidence", either, as they were already out of prison before Matias Reyes confessed. Now before you type up a response where you make a bunch of crazy claims you should go and ask a grown-up how to use Google, so you can check your facts next time.
Or you could just shut up and admit they were guilty.
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It's pretty obvious you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Why don't you just type "Central Park Jogger Trials" into Google and see what comes up?
Okay so I was wrong about that because I have a life and your a racist douche bag who sits on the internet all day and blames innocent black people for crimes they didn't commit. I bet your most visited website is Stormfront. I do know what I am talking about. I can be wrong about every single thing about this case but in the end, I am right and correct when I say those individuals were innocent and never committed the crime.
Since you're just making up your "facts" as you go along there's not much point in arguing with you. Everything you've written is just a bunch of lies and name-calling. It doesn't matter how many times you call me a racist, that doesn't change the fact that these scumbags were convicted in 1989 at their trials by the juries who were actually in the courtrooms, and the scumbags served their entire sentences in prison. They were never declared "Not Guilty", their convictions were vacated after they had served their time. That's a big difference. They were never set free based on "new evidence", either, as they were already out of prison before Matias Reyes confessed. Now before you type up a response where you make a bunch of crazy claims you should go and ask a grown-up how to use Google, so you can check your facts next time.
Congratulations for making the situation sound worse. So the 5 innocent people ended up spending their entire sentence and were in prison the entire time. Only to have new information come out after they were released from prison to show that they were innocent. It doesn't matter if they served their entire sentence or not. There are hundreds if not thousands of innocent people in prison. And there are even more people in prison for victimless crimes. So a jury says they were innocent? Who cares, Juries have been wrong before and have placed innocent people in prison all the time. And that jury in the Central Park Jogger case didn't even have all the information. They didn't have the information on the DNA and how none of the 5 individuals DNA was on the victim and was no where to be found. And the jury was biased as well so there was bias in the jury and in the court. So you are just proving that the police were covering up more information and wanted to wait until these innocent people were serving their entire sentence before they let the world know they were innocent and were always innocent.
They are not scumbags because they never committed the crime. The only scum bag is you. You are the only low life parasite on here. I only started learning about this case. I don't care if I am wrong about all of that stuff, you are still wrong on the biggest thing and that is the fact you are still calling innocent people guilty because you are racist. Your racist bigoted self can't stand the fact that for the rest of eternity this case is going to be talked about and looked and and for the rest of eternity, these 5 individuals are going to be looked at as victims who were innocent and were locked up due to a racist and prejudiced justice system. And you can't stand that. So prepare to see the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons of the world talk about this because they are never going away, this case is never going away and this new evidence now further proves the racism that still exists not just in the United States but within our institutions. You are butt hurt and angry and you are nothing but disgust. You are lower than a dog turd. You are an afterbirth that slithered out of your mother's filth.
You can say whatever you want but society and the world will see you as a racist and see those cops and that court room as racist and those 5 people are looked at as heroes and victims and they will for ever through all eternity be nothing more than heroes and victims that survived a racist system that locked them up on false information for years. You so want to call these people scum bags even though society is not calling them that but calling them heroes and victims instead. They are the good guys in this case, the good guys that became victims in a system where the bad guys are the police and the court. You are just so butt hurt that these 5 individuals are not looked at as criminals and scum bags anymore, because you so wanted a bunch of black people and a Hispanic to be criminals, that is what you always wanted because you are a turd. These 5 victims will become famous, they are going to be given millions of dollars by the state for locking them up or aka your tax dollars and you and anyone else wont be able to do anything about that. Books will be written about this 5 innocent Americans, documentaries will be written about these 5 innocent Americans, and movies and pop culture and more will be written about these 5 innocent Americans and you will still be the pathetic excuse for a human being where no one will know who you are and know one will give a crap who you are. You will have less money than these 5 innocent Americans and less known. You will always be a nobody and you will die a nobody.
Or you could just shut up and admit they were guilty.
Nope, I will not admit that because they were not guilty. They were innocent and are innocent and will forever be innocent. They are getting millions of dollars from tax payers (the state) for having them locked up for years when they were innocent. Their names will be known, they will be famous, they will forever be looked at as victims and heroes, and they will have more money than you now and you will still forever be a poor lower class bigoted racist who lives on a computer trash talking people and claiming innocent minorities as being guilty and you'll cry and bitch to all the other mongoloids at Stormfront because like them, you are a loser who will die a loser.
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Okay so I was wrong about that because I have a life and...
Oh really? Your posting history suggests otherwise.
Once again the rest of your post is just a bunch of jabbering name-calling, and I'm sure nobody will bother to read all of it. I'd be wasting my time responding to it, just like you wasted your time typing it out. But I will say this; if you disagree with what I've written, you have to show why you disagree with it. Saying I'm a racist and calling these thugs heroes doesn't prove your point, even when you say it over and over again.
So yes, they're still guilty.
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Hey butthead! IF they had raped the woman wouldn't there be six seaman samples found NOT just Matias Reyes's?! Unless they were wearing condoms there would be a mess of all DNA found over her clothes and everywhere else. Use common sense. I think you just want to them to be guilty to satisfy you racist, hateful agenda. So being a butthead makes your momma a butthead. So, YOUR MOMMA'S A BUTTHEAD! So there!
shareIF they had raped the woman wouldn't there be six seaman samples found NOT just Matias Reyes's?!I assume you meant "semen" samples? Or are you suggesting the Central Park Jogger was raped by the crew of the Good Ship Lollipop? That's about as plausible as the five being innocent.
DNA recovery is a tricky thing, and it was even more tricky back in 1989. The lack of DNA evidence in no way proves that the Central Park Five are innocent. Face the facts, they confessed so quickly because they were terrified the police would find physical evidence that they had raped her.
So, YOUR MOMMA'S A BUTTHEAD!I win. They're still guilty. share
Face the facts, they confessed so quickly because they were terrified the police would find physical evidence that they had raped her.
So because they confessed so fast somehow make physical evidence go away so police don't find it? As is somehow there is a supernatural entity that makes physical evidence go away after a quick criminal confession. WTF are you talking about?! share
I assume you meant "semen" samples? Or are you suggesting the Central Park Jogger was raped by the crew of the Good Ship Lollipop? That's about as plausible as the five being innocent.
DNA can be found more than just semen. DNA can be found by numerous things. Sweat, saliva, blood, hair, etc. The fact that NO DNA was found and they supposedly ALL raped her, shows that they were innocent.
DNA recovery is a tricky thing, and it was even more tricky back in 1989. The lack of DNA evidence in no way proves that the Central Park Five are innocent. Face the facts, they confessed so quickly because they were terrified the police would find physical evidence that they had raped her.
BS, they still had ways to find people's DNA. It isn't tricky and it wasn't tricky back then. Facts are facts, they are innocent, the real killer confessed, and the individuals were young and they didn't confess quickly, it was more like over 30+ hours in a room and all of their confessions were different, they retracted their confessions therefore, its not valid since they retracted, and they were threatened, lied to, manipulated, and intimidated.
I win. They're still guilty.
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First of all, there wasn't just a woman prosecutor and second, the cops and detectives were the ones interrogating the 5 individuals with threatening and intimidating methods. There is no proof that parents were even int he interrogation room. No proof and no evidence so you are an idiot and you are wrong on that.
Innocent people confess to crimes all the time when they are threatened, intimidated and lied to. These were young individuals and they were threatened, intimidated, lied to, and manipulated and there is proof of this. They are innocent and this is why they are now free. You are wrong. End of story.
"Sorry, but the confessions do count. If just one of the thugs had confessed to the crime, I could believe he caved in to police pressure. If two had confessed, I would still think it was possible. But all five? In front of their parents and guardians? To a female prosecutor while being videotaped? What sort of Jedi Mind-Powers do you think the New York City police have? All five of these punks gave detailed confessions and testimony against each other."
COERCED confessions, but you already know that....you just don't want to hear it. The supposed 'details' in the confessions you speak of - if you paid attention were actually provided by the detectives and in the end never corrolated with the actual details of the crime scene.
"And yes, the DNA evidence proves Matias Reyes was there too. They knew the semen found at the scene didn't match any of the five at the original trial in 1989, this is nothing new. The only thing they didn't know was that the semen was from Matias Reyes. In her summation to the jury, prosecutor Elizabeth Lederer told the jurors: "Others who were not caught raped her and got away." But just because we now know Matias Reyes attacked her doesn't mean that the other five didn't also attack her. The jury knew this in 1989 and found all five guilty. Is that too complicated for you? No "new" evidence contradicts this."
And NOT ONE BIT of any of the boys dna was found ANYWHERE at the scene nor was ANY OF THE VICTIM'S dna found on any of the boys - not to mention there was no visible evidence of their presence anywhere's near the crime scene! As for Lederer, she was just covering her inept ass cause she knew damned well how badly she *beep* up!
The documentary mentioned there were numerous inconsistencies with their "confessions" and what actually happened to the jogger. They were under immense pressure. Didn't seem right to me that they'd confess to something they didn't do but the doc also mentioned the boys' stories didn't connect with each other's at many points. I guess never having been under heavy interrogation can make people lie against their own selves. They were afraid. They were being called multiple names and being threatened. Singled out by men that I'm pretty sure were much bigger than them at the time. Also, probably because they did see the other guys assaulting the homeless man they felt guilty. It's a mix of things that contributed to them lting against their own selves.
shareI agree with the OP, only racist neocon douchebags would fault these 14 year old KIDS because they went on a "joyride." They are guilty of looking the other way when the homeless guy was assaulted but had they intervened they might have been targeted for attack themselves.. so they were cowards, still doesn't mean they deserved to be punished like adults for a crime they didn't commit, anyone says different is an evil to the core bigot.
shareYour argument (what there is of it) has already been refuted on another thread, the aptly titled "They Are Guilty".
No it hasn't, you are a fool and a racist. share
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The Color of Crime is irrelevant and all you are doing is trying to start a racial argument because you are a racist. Also Jared Taylor is a racist, and his racist Color of Crime story was part of Heritage Foundation which is a biased right wing organization that has no credited history.
The Color of Crime and Jared Taylor has also been debunked.
Proof and evidence and statistics by the FBI and other Department Agencies show that Hate crimes have been committed more by white people and hate crimes committed by white people against black people have happened more than hate crimes by black people against white people.
White people commit overall more crime in this country than black people
More white people on welfare than black people as well
More white people in poverty than black people
Blacks in the United States have only been free for only 40 years, that plays a part in the poverty levels, education, etc, many of them and their generations of family did not have access to education or jobs because institutionalized racism blocked them. White people have controlled and dominated this country from the very beginning and were free all through U.S. history and yet they still commit more crime, more hate crimes, more poverty, more welfare, etc. share
read "The color of crime" by Jared Taylor
shareread "The color of crime" by Jared Taylor
The Color of Crime is irrelevant and all you are doing is trying to start a racial argument because you are a racist. Also Jared Taylor is a racist, and his racist Color of Crime story was part of Heritage Foundation which is a biased right wing organization that has no credited history.
The Color of Crime and Jared Taylor has also been debunked.
Proof and evidence and statistics by the FBI and other Department Agencies show that Hate crimes have been committed more by white people and hate crimes committed by white people against black people have happened more than hate crimes by black people against white people.
White people commit overall more crime in this country than black people
More white people on welfare than black people as well
More white people in poverty than black people
Blacks in the United States have only been free for only 40 years, that plays a part in the poverty levels, education, etc, many of them and their generations of family did not have access to education or jobs because institutionalized racism blocked them. White people have controlled and dominated this country from the very beginning and were free all through U.S. history and yet they still commit more crime, more hate crimes, more poverty, more welfare, etc. share
Look whose talking, you think they are guilty. Therefore, you automatically have nothing intelligent to say since they found the REAL person who committed the crime. These 5 individuals are out of prison because they found out they were innocent the entire time. And yet you still think that they are guilty. The law and justice system found them innocent after locking them up for years with no evidence to it. They are free and the real person is caught and yet you still think they are guilty? What other reason could there be that is not racism? Oh yea, there is none.
shareThese 5 individuals are out of prison because they found out they were innocent the entire time.No, they are out of prison because they served their sentences, which were ridiculously lenient because they were juveniles at the time of the offense.
One problem with the internet is that when you try and search for information about the case you are linked to dozens of websites that simply talk about this movie. To find actual facts you have to dig a little deeper. But those facts are out there if you care to look for them. Here is an interesting story from the New York Times of November 8th, 1990 written when one of the trials was underway. The story is over 20 years old but it is archived at nytimes.com.
Witness Says Defendant Said He Held JoggerThis corroborates the story Kharey Wise initially gave to the police, that he was involved in the rape but that he didn't actually penetrate the victim. All the defendants gave similar stories, admitting they had participated in assaulting the jogger but blaming the others for the more serious rape and battery. It was only after they realized that they were still going to be charged with rape that they changed their stories and started claiming they had never been anywhere near the jogger. So no, you don't have to be a racist to think they were guilty, you just have to look at the facts of the case and not be swayed by some tear-jerker docu-drama with an obvious political agenda.
By RONALD SULLIVAN
Published: November 08, 1990
A surprise prosecution witness testified yesterday that a defendant in the second Central Park jogger trial called her from Rikers Island last year and confessed to holding the victim down while she was raped.
The witness, Melody Jackson, 29 years old, said the defendant, Kharey Wise, 18, made the telephone call three months after being arrested in the April 19, 1989 attack. Ms. Jackson, who described herself as an old friend of Mr. Wise, said she had asked to hear his account of what happened.
"I don't believe what I've been hearing about you, that you had sex with that woman," she testified that she told Mr. Wise.
She said that Mr. Wise repeated at least three times, "No, no, I didn't have sex with her."
"Did he say anything else?" asked Assistant District Attorney Elizabeth Lederer.
"Yes, he did," the witness replied. " 'All I did, Mel, was hold her legs and fondle her,' " she quoted Mr. Wise as saying.
Under the law, someone who helps others commit a rape is equally guilty of it.
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No, they are out of prison because they served their sentences, which were ridiculously lenient because they were juveniles at the time of the offense.
You are taking an old quote of mine. I already said that they served their entire time. But you misread me because you are an idiot. I said that new evidence was found to show they were innocent but they had them remain in prison for their entire sentence anyways which is injustice, if you have evidence that shows they were innocent, you let them go, you don't keep them in prison. No prison sentence is lenient when you are innocent, period.
One problem with the internet is that when you try and search for information about the case you are linked to dozens of websites that simply talk about this movie. To find actual facts you have to dig a little deeper. But those facts are out there if you care to look for them. Here is an interesting story from the New York Times of November 8th, 1990 written when one of the trials was underway. The story is over 20 years old but it is archived at nytimes.com.
Actually you can find the information everywhere, too bad you are not able to just admit that you are wrong. You can post whatever you want but you will always be wrong. First of all, Kharey Wise denied that he ever called Melody Jackson and denied that he ever told her anything about the jogger case and holding anyone down. So she says he told her but Kharey Wise has stated that its not true and denies that he ever called Melody Jackson and denies that he ever told Melody that he touched the victim or held her down, or anything. Kharey Wise has denied all of that. So its a matter of whose word you believe. False witness's exist, and have always existed in court cases. So to me Melody is a false witness because one there is no evidence that Kharey Wise called her and two Kharey Wise denies that he called Melody Jackson and denies that he told Melody that he was involved in the rape by holding the victim down and touching her, Kharey denies that and denies that he told that to Melody Jackson. And the reason why that is also BS is because there was no fingerprints and DNA found. If you are forcing yourself down on someone by holding her down your finger prints and any other DNA that might of gotten on her would of been found on her. There was no finger prints or any kind of DNA on her body, clothing, etc. So again its bull crap.
Also all of their stories and confessions were different and made up. You can't say you have evidence based on confessions when most of what was said in the confessions was not true and did not match the actual events or the timeline of the event. And another thing, the guy who did confess to the rape and his DNA was found on the victim and his story did fill in the gaps and contradictions to the teenagers confessions, he said he worked and acted a lone.
This corroborates the story Kharey Wise initially gave to the police, that he was involved in the rape but that he didn't actually penetrate the victim. All the defendants gave similar stories, admitting they had participated in assaulting the jogger but blaming the others for the more serious rape and battery. It was only after they realized that they were still going to be charged with rape that they changed their stories and started claiming they had never been anywhere near the jogger. So no, you don't have to be a racist to think they were guilty, you just have to look at the facts of the case and not be swayed by some tear-jerker docu-drama with an obvious political agenda.
It doesn't corraborate with Kharey Wise and what he initially gave police. Kharey Wise also said that people were stabbing her with a knife and yet no knife wounds were found. The fact is, the entire confession and interrogation was not being shown on video. Therefore we don't know how the police handled the situation to get those kids to say a false confession. You keep going to these confessions when the confessions all contradict each of the other suspects stories and they all contradict what actually happened and the timeline of the events. The fact is the real person whose actual DNA was found at the crime scene. He confessed to the rape gave the actual story that matches the timeline and fills in the contradictions of the teenagers and their stories. He also says he acted alone and there were no teenagers.
Melody Jackson was a false witnessed, there is no evidence that she actually talked to Kharey Wise and Kharey Wise denies that he ever talked to Melody Jackson and Kharey has denied that he ever told Melody that he hold the girl down and touched her and denies that he did anything to that girl and denies any involvement with the rape. So just because they bring in Melody Jackson to gave some false story doesn't make it true. It still doesn't take away the fact that Kharey's DNA or finger prints were not found ANYWHERE on the girl. If he held helped hold her down, there would be finger prints on the girl and on her cloths and there could even be forms of DNA, hair on the Kharey's cloths, sweat, etc
And if he really did talk to Melody and say that even though he denies it. He was calling from prison and whenever you are on a phone doing that, you have a prison officer there watching you and looking at you. So he could of gotten scared and just said that to Melody out of fear of the prison guard or being threatened or so on. But the fact is, there was no finger prints or DNA found anywhere.
The teenagers knew no matter what that they were going to be charged with rape. They knew that which is why they were giving false confessions, they wanted a way out and so even trying to make some story up and give what the police wanted, they thought that could help them. The fact is, they denied that they had any involvement with the rape within the week after the confession and evidence has come out showing that the cops were using intimidating and threatening tactics to get the boys to confess. So yes, you are a racist and you will be one if you deny this.
There are no facts to support your side, this has nothing to do with tear-jerk documentaries and political agendas, and that is your pathetic excuse for everything. The typical republican and conservative response. You will be perfect for the Klan. Newsflash, the reason why there is tear-jerking documentaries now is because evidence now shows that those teenagers were innocent, the real rapist confessed, his DNA was found, his story matches what actually happened and fills in the gaps of the contradictions that the teenangers said, and the rapist has stated that he acted and worked alone with no teenagers or anyone.
And the fact that none of the DNA and finger prints were found on the boys or found on the victim during the crime scene shows that the confessions were all wrong and forced through intimation and that Melody Jackson is a false witness since Kharey denies to calling and saying that to Melody Jackson and because his DNA and finger prints weren't found on the victim and the victims DNA and stuff was not found on Kharey. Melody was a false witness
And even Melody's story isn't true. Here is information coming directly from the NYPD
news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/cpjgr/nypd12703jgrrpt.pdf
Just before trial, in an effort to locate and interview additional witnesses, detectives asked Corey Jackson, a 15-year old friend of Kharey Wise, to come into the precinct to be interviewed. Jackson came into the 25th Precinct with his 27-year old sister Melody. During this interview, Melody Jackson made an unsolicited statement concerning a conversation she had with Kharey some time after the pre-trial hearing. She explained that she was at her sister’s house when the phone rang. She answered the phone and it was Wise calling from Riker’s Island. She said hello and then said to him that she couldn’t believe that they “did that.” Wise repeatedly stated that he didn’t rape anyone, finally saying that he “only held her legs down while Kevin *beep* her.” Jackson seemingly thought her information would be helpful to Wise. She was subpoenaed by the District Attorney’s office to testify at trial, and repeated what she had said. Melody Jackson’s interview in 2002 re-confirmed her testimony. She also explained the negative effect her testimony has had on her life, once it became apparent that the testimony inculpated Wise.
So there are a lot of things that don't make sense. First of all Kharey was either 15 or 16 years old during this time. Why would he randomly call Melody Jackson whose the older sibling of Kharey's friend Cory Jackson. Melody was 27 years old at the time and wasn't even home. She was at her sister's house and who knows where that is? Why would Kharey call a sisters house to talk to his friends older sister who is nearly a decade older than Kharey. And like I said in previous posts, Kharey has denied that he ever talked to or called Melody Jackson. And Melody Jackson's own claim doesn't match DNA evidence. She said Kharey held her down which no DNA has proven that while Kevin *beep* her and we know that isn't true either since that doesn't match Kevin's story nor does it match any of the other teens story, nor does it match the guy who actually did confess to the crime, had his DNA on the victim and on him and filled in the contradictory gaps from all of the teens stories. Since Kevin's DNA was never found on the victim and the victims DNA was never found on Kevin, the story doesn't match, it doesn't match Kevin's description and story nor does it match the DNA evidence found. You are wrong and racist
And yes, they're still guilty.
And no, they are innocent and will forever be innocent and they are going to be getting millions of dollars if not already have millions of dollars, their case and story will be talked about forever and they will be the victims of a racist and terrible justice system and you wont ever be able to change that so just DEAL WITH IT you racist bigot. share
Here is information coming directly from the NYPD
news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/cpjgr/nypd12703jgrrpt.pdf
Just before trial, in an effort to locate and interview additional witnesses, detectives asked Corey Jackson, a 15-year old friend of Kharey Wise, to come into the precinct to be interviewed. Jackson came into the 25th Precinct with his 27-year old sister Melody. During this interview, Melody Jackson made an unsolicited statement concerning a conversation she had with Kharey some time after the pre-trial hearing. She explained that she was at her sister’s house when the phone rang. She answered the phone and it was Wise calling from Riker’s Island. She said hello and then said to him that she couldn’t believe that they “did that.” Wise repeatedly stated that he didn’t rape anyone, finally saying that he “only held her legs down while Kevin *beep* her.” Jackson seemingly thought her information would be helpful to Wise. She was subpoenaed by the District Attorney’s office to testify at trial, and repeated what she had said. Melody Jackson’s interview in 2002 re-confirmed her testimony. She also explained the negative effect her testimony has had on her life, once it became apparent that the testimony inculpated Wise.
Wow, this is hilarious. Now you're posting links that support my argument that the Central Park Five are guilty. Thanks buddy. Did you switch sides halfway through your post? Or did you just get confused by the big words such as "confirmed" and "testimony"?
Thanks again for the useful link that proves they're guilty. share
Wow, this is hilarious. Now you're posting links that support my argument that the Central Park Five are guilty. Thanks buddy. Did you switch sides halfway through your post? Or did you just get confused by the big words such as "confirmed" and "testimony"?
You are such a dumb ass. My post did not support ANYTHING that you said. It did not support your argument at all. Nice to see you cherry picked something that is irrelevant and doesn't matter. Melody Jackson's claim even when she re-confirmed it did not fit in with the evidence nor did it fit in with the confessions. Kevin did not rape her and he even confirmed that and said that in his own confession. Therefore Melody Jackson claiming that Kharey said that makes no since to what happened. Plus if Kevin did actually rape her, his DNA would he all over her. ANd Kharey's DNA would be all over the victim as well for holding her down and touching her leg. The fact is, there was no DNA, no finger prints, no nothing. So it doesn't matter what Melody Jackson said, what she said is irrelevant, it doesn't match any of teenagers confessions and doesn't fit because there is no DNA evidence anywhere. And Kharey even denied that he ever contacted and talked to Melody. So again, she is irrelevant and no one cares about her. And its funny how you clearly miss all of the other actual important stuff in that paragraph that proves my argument right and your argument wrong. You are pathetic and racist.
Thanks again for the useful link that proves they're guilty.
Too bad they are not guilty and everyone knows now that they were innocent the entire time. I didn't prove anything to you. You clearly can't read and skimmed over all of the stuff that proves you wrong. Kevin's confession never said he raped and his DNA was never found on the victim. Kharey who was holding the victims leg and helped hold her down, his DNA and finger prints were found no where. And Kharey has even admitted that he never contacted Melody. So in the end, she is not important, she's a false witness and what she said has been denied by Kharey and what she said doesn't fit and match the confessions being told by the teenagers nor does it fit and match any physical evidence because there was no physical DNA evidence. You are so unbelievably pathetic. Just kill yourself but no, you have some ego and think you are some hot shot, so I hope someone kills you instead. share
You are such a dumb ass. My post did not support ANYTHING that you said.I literally laughed out loud. If I hadn't read your posts on other threads I would've been convinced that you must be pulling my leg. It's almost unbelievable that you could seriously be that stupid. Please just try and actually read the paragraph that you copied and pasted. It describes in detail how Melody Jackson told police detectives that Kharey Wise told her he held the victims legs while his friends raped her. This is exactly what Kharey Wise said in his confession. What part of this do you not understand? It explains that Melody Jackson was so ignorant of the law that she thought this information would help exonerate Kharey Wise. Not only that, but Melody Jackson re-confirmed her testimony in 2002. Do you get that part? Even twelve years later, after Kharey Wise had already been released from prison, she still said that Kharey Wise told her that he held the victims legs while his friends raped her.
Here's that URL you posted again. I advise everyone to read the PDF document. It's a goldmine of information, all of which proves the Central Park Five are guilty. (Thanks again, by the way.)
news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/cpjgr/nypd12703jgrrpt.pdf
Apparently Melody Jackson doesn't appear in this movie. Gee, I wonder why?
I suppose it's because she might make viewers realize that these guys are guilty.
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Vampyrebat666, I actually laughed out loud when I read your post. You seriously think this article supports your argument. LMAO LMAO LMAOOOOOO.... It actually only proves that Melody Jackson did anything possible so that her little brother, Corey Jackson, will not get in trouble. Actually, she was PRETTY SMART!!! I would have done the same thing especially knowing that the police coerced five young boys into confession, and my little brother was going to be interrogated, you bet your ass I would have said "so and so told me he held her legs. Now give me my little brother so we can go home and have some dinner." That's pretty much what Melody did. She should be put to jail for perjury.. Oh well.
share"You see the argument is lost and you have nothing intelligent to say, thus you go straight to name-calling. 'Nuff said, indeed.
And yes, they're still guilty."
My God how STUPID can a person be? I don't see how anyone in their right mind and with an ounce of intelligence can possibly still fathom at this juncture how those boys are guilty!!!!!