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*beep* the men in Black Sails


Am I the only one who basically hates all the men in the series, they are so annoying wtf! Rackham, Vane, Ned Lowe, John Silver, Hornigold, Featherstone, Richard Guthrie, Thomas and Alfred Hamilton, Peter Ashe, Flint, they are all equally annoying. OK maybe Flint is ok, but still annoying!

As Eleanor says in season 2 episode 2 at 34 minutes and 10 seconds, and I quote:
I don't want to see you on my island again. Take your men, take your *beep* and seek life elsewhere.

And I simply agree, I need intelligence and wit, I certainly like when Eleanor gets to business! And again, *beep* Jack and Charlies Vane!

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Yes, yes you are.

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No, I'm not. The men are all boring and super annoying and that's why this show didn't have much of a fan base to begin with, but now it is losing what few fans it did have!!! Admit it. There is not nearly as much hype for season 4 as the previous seasons. The show will be back in 2 months and the forum is dead!!!

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this show didn't have much of a fan base to begin with


Laughable, even for you.

the forum is dead!!!


All boards go quiet during hiatus.

The board is quiet so you swan in and start up your usual man bashing diatribe. You did exactly the same thing just before season 3. Attention whoring much?

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The way you try to defend your answer, you remind of Randle lol. How about stop watching it if you hate the men characters so much

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Yes, yes you are


I was thinking the same thing. :)

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It's hilariously ironic considering the poster loves the worst and most despicable person in the entire series all because of girl power. What an idiot.

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It's hilariously ironic considering the poster loves the worst and most despicable person in the entire series all because of girl power. What an idiot.
Very true but consider the poster's name and how hard they try to live up to it.

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Another time she was asking me why I would believe her to be a misandrist. I didn't even respond her response was so stupid. I don't know. Maybe it's in your name idiot. That and apparently she only watch's this show which she doesn't think is very good and literally hates every other character all because she likes one of the worst characters played by one of the worst actress's on the show. Fake @ss wanna be Alana Swearengen.

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One thing I've noticed about feminazis, aside from their shameless misandry, is the way they gravitate to bad women who should not be admired for any reason. That's the kind of person the OP is. She hates Vane the most because Vane hit Eleanor after she punched him in the face. In the mind of the OP, it's fair for women to hit men, but the men should never hit back. Me, I'm a woman and I loved seeing Vane tap Eleanor and put her on the floor. I hate this thing of women belting men and the men are supposed to take it, and the men are brutes if they hit back. I say, if you don't want to be hit, keep your hands to yourself.

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Act like a bitch get slapped like a bitch.

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Act like a bitch get slapped like a bitch.
I'm just hoping Blackbeard beats up Eleanor. That would be awesome.

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Lmao @ alana swearengen!

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nice trolling !!!

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I agree with this. Nice try but...no.

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I need intelligence and wit


That's the first intelligent comment you've ever made on the board. Well doneπŸ‘

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Are you the only one who hates the men? Yes. Yes, you are.

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Why do so many losers hate the women in black sails but it's not okay to hate the men??? They are all cowards!

Gates - coward, gave up on his crew and best friend at the last minute right before victory!!
Rackham - annoying prissy man, such a beta male he got pissed on, enough said... also: pretends to care about African slaves
Vane - Annoying batman voice, pretends to care about African slaves, Mr. Scott never let any of these cretins in on his big secret, did he?
Ned Lowe - vicious savage with no character development
Blackbeard - cartoon villain, just a caricature of the real man. Ed Teach was a masterful leader who spurned the use of violence
John Silver - annoying, his stupidity gets people killed
Hornigold - just a crotchety old man throwing tantrums
Featherstone - beta male who thinks a prostitute is in love with him lol
Richard Guthrie - slimy old scoundrel who didn't change his ways until the last 5 minutes of screen time
Thomas - annoying, another head in the clouds idealist
Alfred Hamilton - coward who sold out his own son!
Peter Ashe - coward who sold out his best friends!
Billy Bones - Look at me, I'm so cool I can't decide if I hate captain Flint or not even though he was right all along
Flint - NOT EVEN A REAL PIRATE


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Bigots are losers. Hating men just because they are men is just as prejudiced and just as much of a loser as hating women because they are women. Decent people don't judge based on genitals, they judge on character.

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Over 90% of rapists are male. Over 90% of murderers are male. Identity means almost nothing. ξ€Œ

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Yeah, I'd say you're about the only one, lol. Apart from Flint, Billy, Silver and Vane being insanely hot, their characters are interesting and great fun to watch. Flint especially is a character that has evolved a great deal since we found out his back story. I will miss this show tremendously when it finishes season 4. It is very enjoyable.

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PS- not all men are murderers and not all men are rapists. You seem to have a lot of issues but don't project your hatred on others and don't generalize.

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PS- not all men are murderers and not all men are rapists. You seem to have a lot of issues but don't project your hatred on others and don't generalize.
THANK YOU!!!!

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Why are you thanking Wp? She thinks you're as bizarre as I do, zanz. Go back to your extremist religious beliefs while swinging snakes around your head and making up crap about a female character because she isnt a compliant little stepford wife.

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PS- not all men are murderers and not all men are rapists. You seem to have a lot of issues but don't project your hatred on others and don't generalize.
I ain't here for your #NotAllMen garbage. I'm not projecting hatred, I didn't say all men were violent, and most importantly I'm not generalizing. I'm stating facts. Did you catch that last word? Facts.

Why does the truth bother people? Male violence to female violence is not 50:50. It's not close to equal. It's more like 90:10, 92:8, 95:5, 98:2. That's staggering.

The truth is men choose to be violent far more often than women. Why is that? And why can't we talk about it without somebody saying NOT ALL MENZ!!! SOME WEMINZ COMMIT CRIMES TOO!!! which solves absolutely nothing and ignores the problem. So what are men going to do about it? Because male violence is a serious problem that men need to solve. Stephen Hawking even talks about it. His current project is how to curtail human aggression. Well, that's easy. You do it by changing men.

I'm actually not a hateful person, I just accept that most men hate women, and I am simply parroting their words back to them. People typically ignore and accept misogyny but if you say something critical about men... watch out.

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I think our crimes tend to reflect our biology. Men are inherently more fixated on sex by design because males are tasked within nature to spread their seed. More offspring, more chance for species to evolve further. It's the very same reason I think women tend to be more nurturing. It doesn't mean men can't be nurturing or women can't think of or focus on sex.

Testosterone is very different from estrogen. Men tend to be more confrontational and aggressive -- it's reflected in good and bad ways throughout nature, society, and culture.

I'd be interested to see if crime in general is relatively equal between men and women. But I don't think there's an argument to be made that men aren't inherently more prone to violence. It's probably why the majority of wars and conflict have been fought by men, etc.

We are starting to break the boundaries of our labels but because we are still simply animals, with a lizard brain, we struggle and often adhere to our more baser instincts. But women do commit crime, it's just crime that coincides with how women generally express themselves and their inherent biological makeup.

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I think our crimes tend to reflect our biology.
Nonsense. The most prolific serial killer of all time was a woman, Elizabeth of Bathory. The most successful pirate of all time, with the largest fleet and the most men, was a woman, Ching Shih. Women have been thieves, rapists, robbers, killers. Women have also led armies and fought in front line combat. Aside from being smaller and physically weaker than men, women are just as capable of horrific crimes as men.
I don't think there's an argument to be made that men aren't inherently more prone to violence. It's probably why the majority of wars and conflict have been fought by men, etc.
The majority of wars and conflicts have been fought by men because of political and monetary conflicts, not because men are more inherently prone to violence. I will remind you that Queen Elizabeth was a very violent woman, who sent out privateers all over the world to loot and kill and claim territory for the English throne, and that Joan of Arc raised an army to fight the English.

As to our modern day, research going back forty years shows that women are often the primary aggressors in domestic abuse, ever since the 1975 National Family Violence Survey by sociologists Murray Straus and Richard Gelles of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire found that women were just as likely as men to report hitting a spouse and men were just as likely as women to report getting hit. The researchers initially assumed that, at least in cases of mutual violence, the women were defending themselves or retaliating. But when subsequent surveys asked who struck first, it turned out that women were as likely as men to initiate violenceβ€”a finding confirmed by more than 200 studies of intimate violence. In a 2010 review essay in the journal Partner Abuse, Straus concludes that women’s motives for domestic violence are often similar to men’s, ranging from anger to coercive control. Two major studiesβ€”the 2000 National Violence Against Women Survey by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey published last Februaryβ€”have also found that some 40% of those reporting serious partner violence in the past year are men.

Violence by women causes less harm due to obvious differences in size and strength, but it is by no means harmless. Women may use weapons, from knives to household objectsβ€”including highly dangerous ones such as boiling waterβ€”to neutralize their disadvantage, and men may be held back by cultural prohibitions on using force toward a woman even in self-defense. In his 2010 review, Straus concludes that in various studies, men account for 12% to 40% of those injured in heterosexual couple violence. Men also make up about 30% of intimate homicide victimsβ€”not counting cases in which women kill in self-defense. And women are at least as likely as men to kill their childrenβ€”more so if one counts killings of newbornsβ€”and account for more than half of child maltreatment perpetrators.

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None of your data really supports your objection to my point. You might have had a point if you didn't imply that I think women are incapable of horrific crime. Saying that men are more prone to violence is not a statement implying women are incapable of it.

You seem to think I'm disparaging men but I'm not. Men and women react differently. Psychology and biology conclude noticeable differences in the genders. Your analysis of specific data doesn't disprove decades of research in human behavior.

I'm starting to see the point of the OP. Responses seem to range from, "look, there's a female serial killer, too" to the misrepresentation of data.

There's nothing wrong with men and there's nothing wrong with women. We're two differing spectrums of the same animal. Equal but not the same.

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You don't sound very equal, saying that men are more prone to violence. The truth is more complicated than that. And if you see the point of the OP, who hates men and says *beep* the men just because they are men, that's not good. As to your decades of research, you should supply some links, as I did, to show what research you're referring to.

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Violence is appropriate when defending your tribe or village from a hostile invader. There are benefits and downfalls to every prominent gender trait.

The point that I see from the original poster is the apprehension in discussing ourselves in intimate but cold terms -- not the point that men are bad, etc. I detest misandry and misogyny, entirely, because we've evolved to compliment one another and in modern society (which progressed more rapidly than our biology) there will be conflict with certain ideas and expectations.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-aggressivus/201409/male-aggression

Here's a collection of data to support my claim. If you'd like peer-reviewed journals I can attempt to find those.

I do understand that we could be misinterpreting nurture for nature but even our physiology supports the notion that men are more prone to be fighters, defenders, etc.

I believe that every trait has a place in nature but as I said before, in modern civilization, our nature and biology can conflict with how our ideals have evolved. Men aren't bad or worse but they are different for specific reasons that coincides with our evolutionary progress.

I don't share the opinion of the OP in that men are some evil force within the world perpetrating all that is wrong. Violence has its place in nature just as any other developed trait.

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Thank you for the link. I do understand your point that men are more biologically suited to be fighters and defenders, and I agree with it. Women are smaller and not as strong. But those are physical differences, and there have been too many men and women who do not fit the biological mold to go the "DNA is destiny" route. Respectfully, I must disagree with you on that. As to the OP, she hates men and does her best to live up to her name, to the point that I've seen her deny that there is such a thing as misandry in the world today. She has also called me a male-rights advocate, as if there is something shameful in a woman advocating for equal rights for men and women. Bottom line, to me, men are just people and I can never agree to defining them by their genitals, any more than I would agree to defining women by their genitals. Men are not bears with furniture who have to be trained not to rape women. They're just people, and most of them are pretty decent chaps.

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I totally agree with you. Humans have evolved beyond their primal markers and traits, to some degree.

I do understand why a nonviolent man would want to argue his case. I myself am a pacifist and a male. I don't hurt animals and the only fighting I've done was in relation to my military career and amateur fighting. We all have varying levels of testosterone and estrogen.

My argument wasn't attempting to pigeonhole all men into a narrow category but I understand why it would appear so and I do apologize if you felt I was discounting good men you know or all men simply based on their gender.

It's really how you channel yourself and the animal you are. We've developed such a level of perception that we can analyze our own behavior and actions. But men are also inherently amazing creatures (just like women) and I've seen inherent traits expressed in ways such as bravery, defending the weak, and being dutiful and good (not that women can't embody thsee behaviors).

I suppose I feel that we're all human animals but testosterone and estrogen tilt us in specific directions for the purpose of mutual survival and roles. But like you say, I've met women that could easily put me on my ass and I've met such nurturing men that I have no choice but to recognize that we all have such amazing capabilities and nobody HAS to be a slave to their dna.

I enjoyed the discussion. Thank you.


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I'm a woman, and the mother of a nice young man who is very active in the community, and I'm sick to death of these horrible feminazis talking about how horrible men are and how I should be teaching my son not to go out and rape women. They act like my nice boy, whom I worked as a single mother to raise as a good man, is some kind of monster that women should be terrified of. And I'm mad as hell at the narrative that has overtaken our society, about mansplaining (which is when a man dares to open his mouth) and manspreading (the crime of sitting) and all the million other microagressions which no normal human would even notice but become huge crimes when a man does it. Rant over. It's been a good discussion, and I should have said it earlier. Welcome to the board! 

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Good women raise good men. We all need each other so much.

Thank you for the welcome.

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Oh wow! A civil conversation on imdb! I like it!

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Preach on, Zanza8

But I still say Elizabeth Bathory was innocent

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You think Elizabeth Bathory was innocent? Is this something you're open to discussion, Roma? I've read a lot about Bathory, including the court transcripts, and I don't think there's any room for doubt about her guilt, but if you don't mind going wildly off topic, I'd be so interested to hear your viewpoint.

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I haven't done any real research on it but...

The outlandish tales about her, accomplices convicted through torture, financial and/or political reasons to go after Bathory's family, "prosecutor" with political motivations, Elizabeth herself not getting a chance to testify (IIRC)...I think there's room to doubt.

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Oh. I've done a lot of research into the case and read the trial transcripts. While it's true Elizabeth didn't get a formal trial, there were a number of eye-witness accounts of the men who raided the castle and found the tortured and mutilated bodies all over the place. It's worth noting that for years, the local people shunned the castle and were terrified of Elizabeth, and it wasn't until a nobleman's daughter disappeared that the authorities moved on her. So it could be said that it was more about a dispute between nobles than bringing a killer to justice, because nobody in power cared what Elizabeth was doing as long as she was doing it to the worthless peasants.

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Ms. Mermaid, I don't think your attempt at satire worked out too well...

People dislike the main female characters on the show and it's not because of misogyny.

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It absolutely is because of misogyny. Misogyny explains almost everything most people have trouble understanding. People detest women with power like Eleanor... but somebody needs to make the trains run on time and the cows produce milk. And people said Max deserved to be raped.  The character's actions made absolutely no sense either because the showrunners are clueless men. People hate Miranda because she's a house wife and therefor "boring". People also hate Anne, but they hate her the least because her behavior is the most like a man's, she even dresses like a man. Eleanor's femininity is unmistakable. People even hated my beloved Elizabeth Swann, and she's awesome.

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Maybe you're so into your own misandry that you see sexism in everyone else?

People hate Miranda because she's a house wife and therefor "boring". People also hate Anne, but they hate her the least because her behavior is the most like a man's, she even dresses like a man. Eleanor's femininity is unmistakable. People even hated my beloved Elizabeth Swann, and she's awesome.


Now wait a sec. I don't remember seeing many complaints about Miranda. In fact, I think she's one of the few characters people liked.

It's Eleanor and Max (and the actresses that play them) that get the most complaints.

You think maybe people didn't like your beloved Ms. Swann for OTHER reasons besides sexism?

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She got called a 'whore' quite a bit because she had sexual needs. I thought that was pretty harsh. Women are allowed to enjoy sex, and Miranda obviously did. Good on her. I'm still cranky she got killed off - I really liked her - and hot damn Louise acted her lovely bum off in her final scene.

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Hmm, I don't know about that. I don't remember it being that big a deal on these boards since Miranda's "whorish" behavior was just part of her character. And the person I was responding to thinks people didn't like her for the opposite reason--too homely (?).

I don't think my memory is that far off. I remember Miranda being one of the more likeable female characters, people mourning her death in Season 2, people trying to figure out her mystery in Season 1, and people really appreciating her cleavage.

Max and Eleanor, on the other hand--lots of criticism.

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OK maybe Flint is ok, but still annoying!


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Well, I'm also watching for the ladies.

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