I hope she meets her end by Jack's hand. I know Teach seems like the obvious choice, but I always enjoyed the camaraderie between Jack and Vane, and you could tell it got to Jack when he learned of the hanging. Not to mention it would be great to see the most likeable character on the show kill the least likeable. I wouldn't mind Anne doing the deed either, as she is without a doubt the best female character still living.
shareI want Teach to beat up Eleanor real bad first, and then Jack to beat her up, and then Anne to kill her. I doubt any of that will happen, but that's what I would like to see.
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Wow.
shareYikes, but I think A LOT of fans feel the exact same way. I'm going to root for her.
Island full of nasty pirates and she maintains economic order. Vane does bad and she punishes him for it (Max). She took in Bison's slaves and gave them jobs. She made Flint and Vane reconcile. She saved Abigail. She avenged her dad against Vane (touchy subject). She took over the British forces (WTF) to bring in pirates who refused the gracious pardon.
I'm half serious, but I think I'm gonna be Team Eleanor for this last season.
Vane does bad and she punishes him for it (Max).Not sure what you mean here, Roma. Max screwed up Vane's deal and he punished her by handing her over to the crew for a day. She didn't hold that against him, she knew what she did would require an answer just like any other pirate. Vane tried to save her, and when the crew caught her and she had a choice between them and Eleanor, Max chose the crew. Bad as it was, and she knew it was going to be bad, it was her choice. You can't blame Vane for Max's choice.
She avenged her dad against Vane (touchy subject).It's not a touchy subject. It's a plain fact that Eleanor didn't give a damn about her father. She didn't avenge him against Vane. She took out Vane because he was her one weakness, a man who loved her and whom she loved as much as her tiny little heart was capable of loving. I know Eleanor will come out on top in the end, taking over the island and dancing on Vane's grave in a red dress, but she'll never be more than a pirate herself. She's no better than the rest of them. She's just smarter about not getting caught, and more unscrupulous about extricating herself from trouble.
Yeah I have to agree here, regardless of what she says about avenging her father Eleanor could care less that he was dead. She seemed more angry that Charles did it out of spite than over the actual loss of her father. As bad of a guy Vane has been, everything he did was rooted in his true beliefs about the Pirate lifestyle. Eleanor just wants to be in charge of Nassau, no matter who she has to hurt, kill, or side with to achieve this. She makes all of her decisions based solely on how the outcome will benefit her own interests. Vane loved her for her ruthlessness but found out the hard way she would never be loyal to anyone.
shareregardless of what she says about avenging her father Eleanor could care less that he was dead. She seemed more angry that Charles did it out of spite than over the actual loss of her father. As bad of a guy Vane has been, everything he did was rooted in his true beliefs about the Pirate lifestyle. Eleanor just wants to be in charge of Nassau, no matter who she has to hurt, kill, or side with to achieve this. She makes all of her decisions based solely on how the outcome will benefit her own interests. Vane loved her for her ruthlessness but found out the hard way she would never be loyal to anyone.Exactly. Eleanor was more concerned that Vane put a manifesto on her father's body. If he had left that off, she would have buried the old man and breathed a sigh of relief he was out of her hair. As you say, Vane found out the hard way that Eleanor would never be loyal to anyone. What's sad is that he truly loved her and he probably wouldn't have done anything differently even if he knew in the end she was going to kill him. He was way too good for her.
I don't think we're giving Eleanor enough credit. She's still human. This is my own interpretation here, but I think she was still looking for daddy approval underneath her tough exterior. When her dad finally gave her a compliment and a sign of warmth, she welcomed it.
And RIGHT AFTER THAT, Vane took him, killed him, crucified him, and pinned a letter to her on his dead body! Dang. Great scene, but we excuse Vane with a "yo, ho, a pirate's life for him," no matter who he "hurts, kills, or sides with." Eleanor, on the other hand, the businesswoman juggling her interests in the island and her twisted love with Vane, doesn't get a pass from us.
There WAS a love there between estranged father and daughter. With Guthrie's robotic feed-us-information dialogue and delivery, we don't really get to feel it and so we don't buy it. But I think Eleanor did want to avenge her dad for emotional reasons.
In season 3 Vane makes it perfectly clear he killed Richard Guthrie after he offered to give his own daughter up to Vane. Vane was willing to hurt just about anyone, but Eleanor was the exception, and he made it pretty clear through his actions that he would have done anything for her in exchange for her loyalty and her love. When her father offered to hand her over after she had betrayed Vane, instead of welcoming it Vane was angry at her father for being such a coward that he would offer up someone they both were supposed to care about and in his mind believed Eleanor was better off without her father around. I know that Vane was never a good man but Eleanor was the one person in the world, including others who meant something to him like Jack and Teach, who he could never bring himself to fully make an enemy of until the end.
shareVane was willing to hurt just about anyone, but Eleanor was the exception, and he made it pretty clear through his actions that he would have done anything for her in exchange for her loyalty and her love.
I agree he wanted the money for Abigail, but he wasn't just angry the way he would be if anyone else took her from him. He was hurt that Eleanor specifically betrayed him, and that was the point where he finally realized she would go against anyone if she saw personal gain in it. Remember Vane only found Abigail by accident after killing Ned Low for the sole purpose of proving himself to her. It was a messed up romance is agree, but at least it was genuine from one side.
shareI think it was the same both ways--genuine, twisted, tainted, sincere one minute, dysfunctional the next, love over lust, lust over love, just a crazy relationship. The fun kind that people tune in tomorrow to watch (and made for a great season!). Absolutely, he was hurt specifically by her.
But are we judging them by the same standards?
Vane wanted Eleanor to give Abigail back to him. He couldn't get the Man of War. He wanted the ransom. Those were the stakes for him. For Eleanor, the future of the island, which she worked for all her life, which she sided with Flint (even though the plans kept changing) for, was at stake. Neither wanted to give it up.
Why should Eleanor show "true love" by giving up her dream but not Vane? Why should Eleanor have to compromise her dreams? Should she have shut up and do as she was told by Vane? Or did she come to her senses about the dysfunctional relationship and choose the practical goal over her pirate romance fantasy?
I think the real reason Vane killed Guthrie was that he was protecting Eleanor. Not that he would ever say it, and he might not have processed it himself, but Guthrie was a danger to Eleanor, offering to trade her off to a pirate. Who knows what Guthrie would have done next? I believe Vane was sincere in his manifesto, but I think it was another case of Ned Lowe. Threaten Eleanor and Vane will take you out. The irony, of course, is that Eleanor was not worth such love and loyalty, she didn't deserve such protection.
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I think the real reason Vane killed Guthrie was that he was protecting Eleanor.
He was going to kill Guthrie anyway.Was he? Vane was as mean as a snake and he wouldn't hesitate to do anything that would serve his interest, but when all was said and done, he loved Eleanor. She was the guiding star of his existence. I think if Guthrie hadn't made that offer, Vane would have found some reason that would seem plausible to his mind to spare Guthrie. Oh, he might have kept him locked up somewhere, told himself Guthrie was more useful alive, and so forth and so on, but I think it was Guthrie trying to trade Eleanor for his own life that sealed his fate with Vane. I guess we'll never know. Eleanor killed Vane, whatever his reasons were went to the grave with him.
Vane would have found some reason that would seem plausible to his mind to spare Guthrie. Oh, he might have kept him locked up somewhere, told himself Guthrie was more useful alive,
I'm not rewriting the story. I'm saying that I think things would have worked out differently if Vane had not perceived Guthrie to be a threat to Eleanor. I know how the story went. That doesn't make it unacceptable to speculate on what might have happened if there had been a different element.
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Zanza8 is another simpleton creep who hates women, simply because women on college campuses are seeking justice for sexual assaults that often go ignored and unpunished. I hope you have to squish yourself into a seat because some smelly man on the bus with his legs spread open feels entitled to take up more space!!!! I hope your sons are total losers when it comes to women so they never marry, and your family goes extinct! ha hahah ahaha!
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It would be funny if Max came back to her and re-seduced her as a partner / lover- got her to let her guard down, and then Jack, AnnBon/ & Teach all came in to deliver her fate... to show what working with people can Out-do, her working against people method...
shareLol. that would be funny, but a Max / Eleanor sex scene for old time's sake would be kinda sweet to watch
shareShe certainly is the most despicable lowlife character on the show. Everyone would want to see her suffer in extreme horror and agony and die a brutal death. Yes, I know, she looks fine naked, nice body, firm buttocks and silky legs etc... but still... The creators if they want to maintain credibility and ratings, they should give the viewers a decent outcome. The pirates, the governor and his men, they have their integrity no matter on which side of the law they stand, but she does not - she is the villain in this story and hence a strong moral message should be sent when that villain meets a deservedly dreadful and just end.
shareI'm hoping Rogers gives her over to the Pirate Trinity and they all take turns murdering her in a slow and humiliating manner. In a show that is about the worst of the worst fictional and real pirates such as Long John Silver, Captain Flint, Blackbeard, Jack Rackham, Ned Lowe and Charles Vane the worst human being among them all is a self aggrandizing woman pretending to be a member of civilized society.
shareShe certainly is the most despicable lowlife character on the show. Everyone would want to see her suffer in extreme horror and agony and die a brutal death. Yes, I know, she looks fine naked, nice body, firm buttocks and silky legs etc... but still... The creators if they want to maintain credibility and ratings, they should give the viewers a decent outcome. The pirates, the governor and his men, they have their integrity no matter on which side of the law they stand, but she does not - she is the villain in this story and hence a strong moral message should be sent when that villain meets a deservedly dreadful and just end.This is vomit-inducing and pure sexist bullcrap. You should be ashamed of yourself. You justify men no matter what they do, and hate women. Simple as that. Do you ever question your own sexist and misogynistic attitudes about women?