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Deniro's character from the wrong era


OK, Deniro plays a 70-year-old guy who, as it is noted in the film, graduated from college in 1965, just two years before the summer of love, four years before Woodstock and with many youthful years left to explore hard rock, drugs and the sexual revolution.

But he acts like a member of the "greatest generation," with his extremely dated attitudes, his "handkerchief" *beep* and his swing-band-era/WWII-canteen-dance chivalry. So is this what the writers think happens when you get "old?" You suddenly start acting like someone from your father's generation?

That's just one of the reasons why this movie is some seriously insulting garbage.

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My mom is DeNiro's age to the year. She hated the hippies and counterculture of the sixties. She didn't even like The Beatles, or any of the other rock acts of the time. Her thing was Elvis and Motown.

Not everybody who was a young person in the 60s is the same, just like not all millennials or gen xers, like myself, are the same.

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But a huge angle of this movie is to illustrate the generation gap -- and he's simply not acting like a "representative" member of his generation but instead like someone who would have been considered old-fashioned when he himself was 30.

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No. You are wrong. Not even most people who graduated high school in 1961 were hippies.

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Gimme a break. He was 24 the year of Woodstock, 22 during the Summer of Love. He had plenty of time to tune in and turn on.

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No

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So you're going by the assumption of age? Your defense is beyond irrelevant.

Don't get hurt kid. I'm not your daddy, I'll beat you senseless.

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I think for Iris there is a huge disconnect between what the Movies have told her everyone was like in the Baby Boomer generation and what the majority of people were actually like.

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You nailed it.

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Exactly right. I saw the movie for a second time last night (HBO), and I feel De Niro was acting correctly. Just because his character was young during Woodstock, Beatlemania, summer of love, etc. doesn't mean he took part or in any way related to any or all of them. The movie lays out the facts that he married young (successfully) and was grounded in a career (also successfully).

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This thread is fascinating as none of the commenters appear to be anywhere close to De Niro's character's age. I graduated HS in 1973, remember Woodstock, went to a very liberal east coast college but can tell you that his character is spot on. Believe me, if you went to work for a corporation then and up to not too many years ago you wore a suit, with a tie, every day, you shaved every day (that comment was hilarious) and you are perfectly comfortable showing up as he did. We also like Sam Cooke etc as well as as rock. As another commenter noted, they nailed it.

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This thread is fascinating as none of the commenters appear to be anywhere close to De Niro's character's age. I graduated HS in 1973, remember Woodstock, went to a very liberal east coast college but can tell you that his character is spot on. Believe me, if you went to work for a corporation then and up to not too many years ago you wore a suit, with a tie, every day, you shaved every day (that comment was hilarious) and you are perfectly comfortable showing up as he did. We also like Sam Cooke etc as well as as rock. As another commenter noted, they nailed it.


I graduated from high school in 1968 and can also confirm that De Niro's portrayal was 100% spot on. I thought the movie was excellent.

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he's simply not acting like a "representative" member of his generation

You mean he's not acting like a stereotype of that generation as it was then. Up until the late 1980s / early 1990s men were expected to wear suits at the office (at least in some businesses), and all the formality that goes with it. And some of those men had been hippies 20 years before, because people change over the years. I hate it when characters are all stereotypes.

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I agree, johnsonium. Some people are squarer than others. He was a company man for 40 years for a boring phone book company. He was a "dull businessman" a real square. But also a good person, not to be sucked in by wild self-indulgence. Some of us are like that.

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Yes, because everyone was a hippie and all of commerce came to a complete halt for those years.

OR! It takes all types for the world to go round.

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No, of course that's not the case. But as I pointed out above, a major part of this movie was devoted to illustrating the generation gap between Deniro and his coworkers. But my feeling is that his character would be considered an old fart by the members of his OWN generation!

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Incorrect. He would have seemed square to the kids about 5 years younger than him who had caught the counterculture movement. He would have been normal among his immediate peer group. The early 60s were quite different then the late 60s.

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He was 25 in 1970.

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25 is over the hill to late teen and early 20s. The kid who sits next to me at work is in his mid-20's and constantly rails about "millennials" even though he is one. When pressed, he means the 18-20 year olds that he sees as entitled and spoiled. This is human nature.

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Ever watched Mad Men?? Those boys would be about Ben's age (well, Pete and that group) and have those same characteristics in this era....what's wrong with professionalism, chivalry, respect and a real work ethic?
everyone deserves the chance to fly!



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Those Mad Men characters were already in a professional setting in 1960, when Deniro's character would have still been in high school. Plus, they were largely misogynistic pricks.

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A misogynistic prick would then have been more realistic for Ben.

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Pete would have been Silent Generation, born in the 1930s. Most of the young worker bees and "company men" of the early 60s were Silents--the generation where "90% of success is showing up".

Ben was a Boomer, albeit an early "War Baby" Boomer (born around 1943, if he graduated college in 1965). This is pretty much right on the line between Silents and Boomers, and many of this group (such as my oldest aunt) have aspects of the Silent Gen and are more conservative in manner. And yeah, not all Boomers got into the counterculture. Some went right into the workaday world, oftentimes out of necessity. My father (early Boomer) was like that, and did keep some mannerisms of the previous generation.


Understanding is a three-edged sword.

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It's pretty simple really. Consider:

1: Large phone book companies existed in 1965

2: Some people graduating college in 1965 went to work at said phone book companies

3: Of those in 2, the ones that were most responsible and had the best work ethic would be promoted first

4: Of those promoted in 3, only those most smart and possessing the most business sense would make it to VP.

Since we know that Ben made it to VP, it can be assumed that he was among the most capable and responsible of those from his generation. Thus, it wouldn't make sense to make him an aging hippy.

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My Father is exactly the same age as this character, graduating college at the same time, etc. - this character reminds me a lot of him. Down to the handkerchief.

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While I agree with some of the posters that he could be an exception, I had the same thought as the OP. I would think that his musical tastes would also include artists from the 70's too. He did seem like a throw back.

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My mom's taste in music stopped in the early 60's when she was a late teen. She's the same age as DeNiro.

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Didn't mention it, but he could have done what his character in The Deer Hunter did circa 1965-70...that would have changed him in a fundamental way and differentiated him from the hippies

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Are you on drugs, De Niro is 72, and his character's timeline is perfect. The use of a handkerchief was use predominately by businessmen and it continues today. Your ignorance is mind-numbing, even the music he was enjoying was very 60ish.

The "Summer of Love" and "Woodstock" were non-existent to the folks who were business and career driven as De Niro's character in the movie.

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Exactly. We have a tendency to look at one aspect of a decade and paint the entire decade with that brush.

Here's a clue for the OP:

50's - Not everybody was a greaser or a Beatnik
60's - Not everbody protested and went to Woodstock
70's - Not everybody was stoned
80's - Not everybody wore parachute pants and snorted coke
90's - Not everybody wore flannel and listened to grunge

If you think about it, the OP is actually arguing that they should have made the character more cliche by making him conform to the stereotype of what a young person in the 60s was like.

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Again, they were supposed to be illustrating a generation gap here -- his age was a major aspect of the film. He was a particularly conservative representative of his era, and for a movie that actually adhered to generational cliches as far as millennials go, I feel they missed the mark with Deniro's character. He was old-school for his own generation; it would have made more sense if he were 80. I'm not the only poster who saw this, and it has also been pointed out in some movie reviews.

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Again, if they had made him an aging hippie then the contrast wouldn't have been as great. You are eroding your own point.

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Again Iris, I don't know how old you are, but your image of this generation has been skewed by pop culture.

You do know that the generation the character is from, voted overwhelmingly for Ronald Reagan, so I am not sure DeNiro's character was a particularly conservative representation.

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I think it depends on the industry that a retired executive worked in. In some industries a conservative suit was always the standard uniform -- there were no bell bottoms in the 60s, no polyester in the 70s, no Miami vice in the 80s, etc.

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I think it depends on the industry that a retired executive worked in. In some industries a conservative suit was always the standard uniform -- there were no bell bottoms in the 60s, no polyester in the 70s, no Miami vice in the 80s, etc.

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From the New Yorker review:

You’d think that Meyers, who has been in Hollywood long enough, would know better about stars of the golden seventies, whose character and styles were forged before the Age of Aquarius—and about the recklessly hedonistic fires with which they burned, and sometimes burned out. Women, too, often did the same. But what Jules needs—and what Meyers provides for her—is a man who, unthreateningly, unambiguously, unselfishly bears the wisdom of that experience without its guilt, who fought the wars not as they were on the ground but as they were depicted in the press releases—or in the movies—in the pre-Aquarian movies of unequivocal public virtue. Ben is a boomer in the garb of the Greatest Generation.

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Its a movie. Written by a writer. Whether they picked 1958 or 1972, its just 1 line in the film. Who cares. Its interesting to point out, but in no way changes the film as people have said, not everyone in the 60's was a hippie. My dad is around the same age and is a "working" type kindof like the character. He liked 60's music but never did drugs or went to woodstock, or any of that...probably like half the population. I am sorry if you wanted the main character to be a hippy...but not everyone in the 60's was a "pure" hippy. They blended his tastes to like more older generation stuff too to help appeal to even older viewers. Its just a movie. Written by a writer. No, my dad does not carry a hankerchief (?) (my grandfather did) but by combining 1 or two elements of an older generation to him...is fine.

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johncg25 has nailed it. whatever the specifics of DeNiro's character, it was created to impart a certain slant to the story. The character is not quite cartoonish, but it's down that road.

Whether you're writing a novel or a screenplay, you are creating characters that will propel your story forward. If you've managed to create a terrific story with deep and multi-faceted characters that survive scrutiny, then you've likely created a classic. Of course, that is not the case with this particular story, as the characters are, for the most part, shallow, one-dimensional, and often cringe-worthy.

And no. As someone who was a teenage suburban hippie-wannabe in the '60s, the vast majority of adult Americans were straight, rigid, establishment types who shunned the excesses of the hippie movement.

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He's a suit and tie guy who once had a successful career at a now near-extinct industry -- publishing phone books. (I still get a Yellow Pages phone book now and then. I throw them away)

He's now working at a successful new "millennial generation" company with a different culture, and he's able to use his experience and "wisdom" to show the youngsters a thing or two.

Nothing implausible about that.

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